WHY do some people use the absurd name of 'yahoshua' or 'yahshua'?

[MessianicShmuely]

Y'shua or Yeshua Name is not 'yahoshua'! Any serious speaker or reader of Ivrit (Hebrew) would see that 'yahoshua' is an absurdity. There is a great need to address the subject, though, because some people who use the 'yahoshua' or even 'yahshua' form say untrue things about those who use the Y'shua form. Y'shua or Yeshua is from the Hebrew word 'yeshuah' meaning salvation. The opponents of the Y'shua form claim that this pronunciation is the result of Rabbinic Jewish conspiracy to hide the Savior's true name. This simply is absurb and not correct. The fact is that Talmudic writers falsly called His Name 'Yeshu' an acroymn for "yemach shemo vezichro", meaning "May his name and memory be obliterated", a term used for those guilty of enticing Jews to idolatry and used in place of the real names of individuals guilty of such sins who are deemed not worthy of being remembered in history. No single individual that knows Hebrew well enough to actually read it and understand it and converse in it uses the 'yahoshua' form. The only thing those who subscribe to using 'yahoshua' show is a lack understanding basic Hebrew.

Jesus comes from the Greek:

Hebrew Yehoshua à Hebrew Yeshua

Hebrew Yeshua à Greek Yesous

Greek Yesous à English Jesus

Y'shua is a variant of Yehoshua where the name Joshua comes from.
To arrive at the correct pronunciation, of Yeshua, you have to accept the Masoretic vowel pointings.Those who are insistent upon the "YAHoshua" pronunciation reject the traditional Masoretic vowel pointings when it does not suit their beliefs. "yahoshua" is an incorrect transliteration of the Hebrew. Our Master was named "Yeshua" because He would save His people from their sins. "Yeshua" is a form of the Hebrew "yeshuah" , which does not mean "Yah saves," but "salvation" which is exactly what Y'shua is for us our Salvation. The idea that Y'shua's Name must contain the Father's name, making His name "yahoshua" or some other form using "Yah," comes from a distortion of John 5:43 where Y'shua says, "I am come in My Father's Name." Following this logic, then we ourselves cannot do anything "in the Father's Name" unless our own personal name contains the name "Yah." Coming in the Father's Name means simply to come in the Father's authority. Based on the vowel pointing in the Hebrew Scriptures, the best transliteration of the Hebrew is Y-E-S-H-U-A....... Salvation!

[Lulav]

I agree with what you say, just not sure why you are saying it, I don't know of anyone here who is a sacred namers. I have seen these types and even seen their bible, they are a bit out there, they basically recognize that the church has covered up or thrown out many things or added on, that they bend so far away that they end up doing the same thing only on the other side of the spectrum.

If only some would read the story of Joshep, they would see a picture of what Yeshua was saying. Just like Joseph was to Pharaoh is how Yeshua was in relation to the Father.

[Torah613]

Y'shua or Yeshua Name is not 'yahoshua'! Any serious speaker or reader of Ivrit (Hebrew) would see that 'yahoshua' is an absurdity. There is a great need to address the subject, though, because some people who use the 'yahoshua' or even 'yahshua' form say untrue things about those who use the Y'shua form. Y'shua or Yeshua is from the Hebrew word 'yeshuah' meaning salvation. The opponents of the Y'shua form claim that this pronunciation is the result of Rabbinic Jewish conspiracy to hide the Savior's true name. This simply is absurb and not correct. The fact is that Talmudic writers falsly called His Name 'Yeshu' an acroymn for "yemach shemo vezichro", meaning "May his name and memory be obliterated", a term used for those guilty of enticing Jews to idolatry and used in place of the real names of individuals guilty of such sins who are deemed not worthy of being remembered in history. No single individual that knows Hebrew well enough to actually read it and understand it and converse in it uses the 'yahoshua' form. The only thing those who subscribe to using 'yahoshua' show is a lack understanding basic Hebrew.

Jesus comes from the Greek:

Hebrew Yehoshua à Hebrew Yeshua

Hebrew Yeshua à Greek Yesous

Greek Yesous à English Jesus

Y'shua is a variant of Yehoshua where the name Joshua comes from.
To arrive at the correct pronunciation, of Yeshua, you have to accept the Masoretic vowel pointings.Those who are insistent upon the "YAHoshua" pronunciation reject the traditional Masoretic vowel pointings when it does not suit their beliefs. "yahoshua" is an incorrect transliteration of the Hebrew. Our Master was named "Yeshua" because He would save His people from their sins. "Yeshua" is a form of the Hebrew "yeshuah" , which does not mean "Yah saves," but "salvation" which is exactly what Y'shua is for us our Salvation. The idea that Y'shua's Name must contain the Father's name, making His name "yahoshua" or some other form using "Yah," comes from a distortion of John 5:43 where Y'shua says, "I am come in My Father's Name." Following this logic, then we ourselves cannot do anything "in the Father's Name" unless our own personal name contains the name "Yah." Coming in the Father's Name means simply to come in the Father's authority. Based on the vowel pointing in the Hebrew Scriptures, the best transliteration of the Hebrew is Y-E-S-H-U-A....... Salvation!
umm, Jesus actually comes from the latin Iesu. That's actually where the greek comes from as well. Most archeological reports agree that the earlier greek form was Christos spelled "IXOYE" or rather the greek equivelant of those letters (sorry my pc doesn't have the greek alphabet in it anymore).

Yochanan

[Lulav]

And that is a problem everywhere is seems.

His name IS Yeshua , which means as MS said, Salvation

Even the church today and before wants to obscure this and keeps calling him Christ, he is not 'Christ' that is his title.

It's like someone keep calling you, 'Mister', Techie, , no one ever referred to King David as 'Christ'

Also it is not his last name , they leave out the 'the' and make it look like his name is

Jesus Christ which many have used as a curse word, much to their detriment. :(

He is Yeshua, the Salvation of G-d, the annointed one, thus Moschiach.

Yeshua the Messiah

Since you have posted on this thread Joe, let me ask you, I have noticed that when the non believing Jews that frequent this forum speak about him, they will never use his Hebrew name, which he was known to all Jews by, but instead use the Latin/Hellinized/Anglicized translated name of Jesus,


why is that?

[Lulav]

Israel, in the middle of the blessings for the end of days for his 12 sons says something odd

49:18I have waited for thy salvation, O L-RD.the word translated as Salvation here, the salvation of the L-RD Is Yeshua.

That is the only place in Genesis it is mentioned
Then in Exodus the salvation of the L-RD is seen in the parting of the waters, the giant mikvah that Israel went through.

After which his name is lifted up by Moshe

1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the L-RD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the L-RD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. 2 The L-RD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.

We don't hear of him by this name until the end of the journey, and it is shown how Israel thought of him then.

Deut
32:15But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.Who was that Rock?, He had a name....

1Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Messiah.

And the Messiahs name is Yeshua, that is who he is, and that is his purpose to come here.

But he was also to be rejected by those he was promised to...........

King David knew who he was, and wrote of him in many Psalms

Many times David refers to Yeshua and thanks HaShem, and calls him 'The G-d of my Salvation' For his is the G-d of Yeshua as well.

[Talmidah]

And that is a problem everywhere is seems.

His name IS Yeshua , which means as MS said, Salvation

Even the church today and before wants to obscure this and keeps calling him Christ, he is not 'Christ' that is his title.

It's like someone keep calling you, 'Mister', Techie, , no one ever referred to King David as 'Christ'

Also it is not his last name , they leave out the 'the' and make it look like his name is

Jesus Christ which many have used as a curse word, much to their detriment. :(

He is Yeshua, the Salvation of G-d, the annointed one, thus Moschiach.

Yeshua the Messiah

Since you have posted on this thread Joe, let me ask you, I have noticed that when the non believing Jews that frequent this forum speak about him, they will never use his Hebrew name, which he was known to all Jews by, but instead use the Latin/Hellinized/Anglicized translated name of Jesus,


why is that? Not Joe, so I hope its okay that I answer.
I use both forms when writing because some readers prefer one over the other. Depends on the setting and sometimes I might accidentally use one over the other. Just as on some boards I might write Moshe and on others, Moses. Same man.

Many Jews do not write out any form of his name, to strictly observe Ex 23:13.

[Lulav]

Thanks Talmidah, I appreciate your answering, mind a few questions? :)

You say you are mindful of where you are with which names you use, but I was speaking stricktly of this Messianic Forum where , as far as I know is the only place he is referred commonly as Yeshua. :) But I have never see any non Messianic Jews call him that here.

Now about the mitzvah

HaShem himself refers to himself ,as have the prophets, by the name of 'Salvation', it is not another god, but The Salvation of G-d , of HaShem.

This brings to mind another question, if you don't mind. Do you believe that all HaShem wanted to save us from was the Egyptians, or do you believe there was something more he was showing us then and throughout all the other of the seven feasts?

[Torah613]

And that is a problem everywhere is seems.

His name IS Yeshua , which means as MS said, Salvation

Even the church today and before wants to obscure this and keeps calling him Christ, he is not 'Christ' that is his title.

It's like someone keep calling you, 'Mister', Techie, , no one ever referred to King David as 'Christ'

Also it is not his last name , they leave out the 'the' and make it look like his name is

Jesus Christ which many have used as a curse word, much to their detriment. :(

He is Yeshua, the Salvation of G-d, the annointed one, thus Moschiach.

Yeshua the Messiah

Since you have posted on this thread Joe, let me ask you, I have noticed that when the non believing Jews that frequent this forum speak about him, they will never use his Hebrew name, which he was known to all Jews by, but instead use the Latin/Hellinized/Anglicized translated name of Jesus,


why is that?
hmm haven't the slightest clue. Perhaps its because there are so many apropriate transliterations of his name. Keep in mind, its written using hebrew or aramaic, not latin letters. As for translation, Joshua would be a better version than Jesus, but alas cultural tendencies hold sway. Could you imagine someone standing on the corner with a sign that says "Repent! Joshua is coming!" While it would be, given that is the apropriate english version of his name, be quite orthodox from a christian perspective. however, most people would simply wonder if this joshua fellow would be staying for supper.

Perhaps its because english is written with the latin alphabet and thus uses the latinized name.

Yochanan

[Torah613]

Thanks Talmidah, I appreciate your answering, mind a few questions? :)

You say you are mindful of where you are with which names you use, but I was speaking stricktly of this Messianic Forum where , as far as I know is the only place he is referred commonly as Yeshua. :) But I have never see any non Messianic Jews call him that here.

Now about the mitzvah

HaShem himself refers to himself ,as have the prophets, by the name of 'Salvation', it is not another god, but The Salvation of G-d , of HaShem.

This brings to mind another question, if you don't mind. Do you believe that all HaShem wanted to save us from was the Egyptians, or do you believe there was something more he was showing us then and throughout all the other of the seven feasts?
IMO, the key phrase is "we were once slaves in egypt," not "our ancestors were once slaves in egypt." For this reason, we should be mindful of how we have been slaves (perhaps to the memories of past traumas or abuse, as well as addictive habits or various sins and/or heresies) and how we have enslaved others.

But then again I'm no rabbi, and no scholar either so don't go lookin for wisdom in my posts, ya hear?

Yochanan

[simchat_torah]

Based on the vowel pointing in the Hebrew Scriptures, the best transliteration of the Hebrew is Y-E-S-H-U-A....... Salvation!Seems every non-Hebrew speaker has their own transliteration. My question is: Why does it matter so much to you when you seem so offended that others have a different conclusion? Do you, as a non-Hebrew speaker, have some secret insight they don't?

[simchat_torah]

No answer?

[stone]

Since you have posted on this thread Joe, let me ask you, I have noticed that when the non believing Jews that frequent this forum speak about him, they will never use his Hebrew name, which he was known to all Jews by, but instead use the Latin/Hellinized/Anglicized translated name of Jesus,


why is that?

Probably because they speak english? :cool: