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k4c
22nd March 2008, 08:10 AM
As you read the Old Testament you will find many of the things God had Israel experience have a spiritual meaning in the New Testament, for example. As you read the Old Testament you will find a story of two sons being born through Abraham, one was through Hagar and one was through Sarai. This whole experience has a spiritual application in the New Testament.

Galatians 4:21-26 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

We find this kind of spiritual insight all throughout the New Testament as God brings spiritual meanings to the things of the old. Egypt itself and the coming out of Egypt has a spiritual meaning in the New Testament. The Promise Land in the Old Testament has a spiritual meaning in the New Testament. Just about everything we read in the Old Testament has a spiritual application in the New Testament. Even the law itself is spiritual.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

In other words, when something is spiritual we have to understand it as it applies to the inward man. This is the whole idea of the New Covenant.

John 4:23-24 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.'

1 Corinthians 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Colossians 1:9 For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also made us sufficient as ministers of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The Sabbath of the Old Covenant is of stone and brings death and condemnation.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The Sabbath of the New Covenant is spiritual as it applies to the inward man.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

These things of the New Covenant have to be spiritually decerned. If we try to understand the New Covenant with an Old Covenant mindset it will continue to bring death.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Life and peace come from understanding spiritually the things of the New Covenant.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Roman Catholic Church is a perfect example of interpreting things of the New Covenant with a carnal or natural mindset as they turn Jesus into a cookie and tell people they become righteous when they eat it.

This is no different than telling people to keep a literal rest on the seventh day by ceasing from all labor to be acceptable to God or to receive life. What propfit does Christ become to us in doing so?

John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

The New Covenant is not founded on anything of the Old, but rather, the words of Christ. For it is His words that will judge the New Covenant believer in the end, not anything of the Old.

John 12:48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

honorthesabbath
22nd March 2008, 04:00 PM
I was going to report this thread, but I see someone else has already done that.

PROPHECYKID
23rd March 2008, 06:36 AM
PK, this is a non-debate section of the thread. Please don't add fuel to this poster's fire by engaging in debate with this poster. They have already set the tone that they have no respect for the rules of this forum.
I'm sorry RND.

PROPHECYKID
23rd March 2008, 10:48 PM
No need to be sorry PK, you're a great kid!

:blush::blush::blush:

PROPHECYKID
23rd March 2008, 10:59 PM
We find this kind of spiritual insight all throughout the New Testament as God brings spiritual meanings to the things of the old. Egypt itself and the coming out of Egypt has a spiritual meaning in the New Testament. The Promise Land in the Old Testament has a spiritual meaning in the New Testament. Just about everything we read in the Old Testament has a spiritual application in the New Testament. Even the law itself is spiritual.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

So you are concluding that the law was not spiritual in Moses' time but it is spiritual under the new covenant.

The Sabbath of the Old Covenant is of stone and brings death and condemnation.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

Do you know why Paul termed the law as the ministry of death. If you read Romans 7 you will discover that Paul stated that the law that he found to life was actually to death. Then he further stated that it was not the law that was unto death but the sin which comes as a result of the knowledge of the law. Stop blaming the law. The wages of sin is death. You sin when you transgress the law. You can say what you want about he law but if you sin willingly it leads to death.

The Sabbath of the New Covenant is spiritual as it applies to the inward man.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

So thou shall not kill is spiritual and not the same as thou shall not kill in the old testament? When Jesus expounded on the law he never said what you are trying to say now. The law was just some blunt statements but Jesus explained it to show the more internal meaning of it. He did not say that thou shall not kill means something else but that it goes deeper than just the statement. He showed that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

These things of the New Covenant have to be spiritually decerned. If we try to understand the New Covenant with an Old Covenant mindset it will continue to bring death.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Lets look at this. Paul says that to be carnally minded is death.
Rom 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.

It is because the carnal mind is not subject to the law of God that it is death. The carnal mind cannot keep the law because the law is spiritual. Thus unless we are spiritual it leads to death because of the sin.

Life and peace come from understanding spiritually the things of the New Covenant.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The natural man does not want to keep the law because it is spiritual. That is why he cannot please God.

This is no different than telling people to keep a literal rest on the seventh day by ceasing from all labor to be acceptable to God or to receive life. What profit does Christ become to us in doing so?

John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

So if you keep the law Christ is of no profit to you. What we must understand is that Jesus saves. If we don't please him will he save us? If we willfully and intentionally disobey him will he save us?

The New Covenant is not founded on anything of the Old, but rather, the words of Christ. For it is His words that will judge the New Covenant believer in the end, not anything of the Old.

Good. I just don't want to end up like these people.

Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!

1Jo 2:3 And by this we know that we have known Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He who says, I have known Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

RND
24th March 2008, 12:15 AM
What I don't get is the continued disrespect for the rules of this forum. This poster has continually posted in an area of the forum he /she has been repeated asked not to and yet continues to do so.

That shows a great contempt for the rules of CF, this forum and the members of this forum in particular.

RND
24th March 2008, 12:17 AM
PK, this is a non-debate section of the thread. Please don't add fuel to this poster's fire by engaging in debate with this poster. They have already set the tone that they have no respect for the rules of this forum.

PROPHECYKID
24th March 2008, 12:42 AM
PK, this is a non-debate section of the thread. Please don't add fuel to this poster's fire by engaging in debate with this poster. They have already set the tone that they have no respect for the rules of this forum.
I'm sorry RND.

RND
24th March 2008, 12:45 AM
I'm sorry RND.

No need to be sorry PK, you're a great kid!

PROPHECYKID
10th April 2008, 11:18 AM
Still waiting on an answer from you K4c