Christianity has it gotten more better or corrupted

[openup4christ]

Heres a question from u Guys since u have been around for a while has Christianity Gotten better or corrupted ?

i was also wondering PLz pray for my Grandpa he is very ill but he was supposted to died many years ago Praise God hes still alive. His name is Eirl.

[twistedsketch]

Corrupted a little bit. Sure, we have the whole Bible and excellent places and methods to study it, but I do not believe that in America, at least, we have the faith and the fire to make the world say "whoa". Everybody, Christian and non, agrees that the was Christianity took over the Roman Empire was amazing.

Also, we have a moral breakdown. There are more liberal churches popping up all the time, teaching that remarraige after divorce is fine rather than reconciling and getting back together. Then there's the whole gay bishop deal, and it all makes me wonder what's next. And if someone is stubborn and obstinate in his or her sin, they can just go up the street to a more liberal church that doesn't consider their sin a sin.

Not only that, the more conservative churches it seems are more concerned with Sunday morning dress and worship style than with saving people and growing them. Rather than pushing unbiblical traditions about rock music and dancing, the effort needs to go into showing love, mercy and Biblical truth to the world, like Jesus did.

[Eusebios]

openup et al.,
I would submit that the Church as always has it's struggles today, the same as it always has. It is after all an institution that is at once fully divine and fully human, like it's head. Remember the words of our Lord, God and Savior, "upon this rock, I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Under His Mercy,
Eusebios.
:bow:

[BarbB]

Amen, Eusebios. Remember all the heretical teachings within 50 years of Christ's resurrection! Didn't take long, did it? :cry:

[truthful1]

I think if you look at the history of the Church just in the U.S., it has definitely been on a downhill slide.

[openup4christ]

ya its sad to see libirealism has been used very much as a tool of saten in the chruch and this country.

[adriel]

OK heres the truth; the Church of Jesus Christ is perfect, holy, justified and righteous in the eyes of God. 'When we see him we shall be like him'
Has the visable corporate expression and practice deteriated with time, almost certainly, with brief revivals such as the reformation the trend of the proffesing visable church is downwards becasue that is not the true bride of Christ.
Scriputre indicates it will end in an apostate one world religion that worships antichrist, but the Lord knows those that are his and he shall keep them unto that day, the only question is when is close enough to the end to jump ship and start swimming for shore. In other words when do we get out of the institionalised visable church, at what point is the adulturous, homosexual, dead, unloving, idoloatrous apostate coruption no longer tolerable?

[openup4christ]

OK heres the truth; the Church of Jesus Christ is perfect, holy, justified and righteous in the eyes of God. 'When we see him we shall be like him'
Has the visable corporate expression and practice deteriated with time, almost certainly, with brief revivals such as the reformation the trend of the proffesing visable church is downwards becasue that is not the true bride of Christ.
Scriputre indicates it will end in an apostate one world religion that worships antichrist, but the Lord knows those that are his and he shall keep them unto that day, the only question is when is close enough to the end to jump ship and start swimming for shore. In other words when do we get out of the institionalised visable church, at what point is the adulturous, homosexual, dead, unloving, idoloatrous apostate coruption no longer tolerable?
When we leave the old pigs to swim in their own spoils because thats the way the have chosen and get rid of the old the evil. Some times we have to break things down to build it up. We have to let go of the things that anchor us down that hold the church back. We have to break away from the corrupted and rebuild rightouseness morals and love selflessness, edify one another we must hold to the bible and never let go. We must bring the Church up to a state that pleases God and out of the slum we r in. Man alone can not do this
we must pray and stay in the word like the bible says. Then with God at our side we can do all things!

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

The church is doing great. As Eusebios said, it cannot be overcome. However, people who are not part of the church that claim to be are doing worse than ever. You can always recognize a true Christian by their fruit.

[The Lord is my banner]

Hello openup4christ :)

Some thoughtful replies already, so I'll just pray for your Grandpa.
Hope he gets more comfortable soon. Does he have faith in Jesus to help him?

God bless you and your family,
Susana :prayer:

[knightlight72]

Heres a question from u Guys since u have been around for a while has Christianity Gotten better or corrupted ?

i was also wondering PLz pray for my Grandpa he is very ill but he was supposted to died many years ago Praise God hes still alive. His name is Eirl.
I think Christianity is just fine. And not corrupted. I think the world is corrupted, and people are getting worse. But Christianity is perfect.

[sobresaliente]

I think you are rather deluded knightlight....though, the church becomes corrupted due to the influence of the world.

Just a thought,
Sobresaliente

[knightlight72]

I think you are rather deluded knightlight....though, the church becomes corrupted due to the influence of the world.

Just a thought,
Sobresaliente
I don't quite understand where you're coming from. Any reasons? Or just because you think so?

[twistedsketch]

I think Christianity is just fine. And not corrupted. I think the world is corrupted, and people are getting worse. But Christianity is perfect.
I think you're saying that true Christianity never changes and cannot be corrupted, therefore it hasn't been. And the "Christians" who are really part of the world are getting worse along with the world. Am I right?

[knightlight72]

That's exactly what I was saying.

[Blessed-one]

a bit of each, for those who are IN God, they can never fall away. I think there has always been a period of trial and testing, where those not strong in faith falls away.. whether due to false teaching, twisted teaching or other things (parable of the sower).

[truthful1]

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3
Sounds exactly like "Christianity" today.

[knightlight72]

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3
Sounds like what the secular world wants. Many of them want to hear how they can do whatever they want to do.

[PaladinGirl]

I believe the church in America has gone downhill. Look at all the Liberal churches popping up. Like someone else said, if you are stubborn in your sin and don't wish to change, all you have to do is go to a more liberal church that doesn't believe it is a sin. However, I hate to say this to all those liberal churches out there but if the Bible condemns something as sin, then it is most definitely a sin. What with all the ordination of homosexuals and such, I can say that I definitely believe the church is going downhill. Not only that but there are so many churches out there that follow unbiblical teachings! Some are actually willing to marry and/or bless same sex relationships! I cannot help but think that God will eventually pour out his judgement on these heretical and apostasized churches.

[truthful1]

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3

Sounds exactly like "Christianity" today.


Sounds like what the secular world wants. Many of them want to hear how they can do whatever they want to do.

Actually, I think it is both. However, the greater danger is that this is happening in the Church, in local churches among people who profess to be Christians. It is easy to ignore or discredit false teachings outside of the Church, but when they come from inside--in churches that profess to represent the Body of Christ--it is deceptive and dangerous to many people who consider themselves to be Christians.

[snoopyloopysk8a]

More corrupted.

[Lady_Firehawk]

Sometimes, I wonder if Christianity is dead and we just won't admit it...

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Sometimes, I wonder if Christianity is dead and we just won't admit it...
Christianity is well alive, false teachers are deep in death.

[on fire 4 christ]

I THINK IT IS BOTH CORRUPTED AND GETTING BETTER GOD IS MOVING


THROUGH OUT AMERICA RIGHT NOW

[JM]

Christianity has become corrupt, no doubt. It's harder and harder to find Bible believing Christains.

[Bayhawks83]

I think Christianity is unchanged, individuals might be change, but its unchanged. Abortion was always wrong and it will always be, same with the homosexual thing. Even if were the minority.

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

I think Christianity is unchanged, individuals might be change, but its unchanged. Abortion was always wrong and it will always be, same with the homosexual thing. Even if were the minority.
I agree. Remember that real Christianity is always radical, and that truth is always the minority.

[Duggie]

[openup4christ]Heres a question from u Guys since u have been around for a while has Christianity Gotten better or corrupted ?
God never changes, he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The message of salvation is what Christ accomplished on the cross for the world. I think it's man that has become more corrupt or better (how ever you want to define better) not Christianity. What is Christianity to you? There are so many denominations and differences within the body of Christ that it would it be almost impossible to answer your original question.

What makes Christianity corrupt? The answer to that question has to be man.

Peace :)

[Paula]

God never changes, he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The message of salvation is what Christ accomplished on the cross for the world. I think it's man that has become more corrupt or better (how ever you want to define better) not Christianity. What is Christianity to you? There are so many denominations and differences within the body of Christ that it would it be almost impossible to answer your original question.

What makes Christianity corrupt? The answer to that question has to be man.

Peace :)
You're right on! Couldn't have said it any better myself. :)

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

This thread has been very informative from my viewpoint. It is reassuring, in an unpleasant way, to know exactly how much you hate us on the liberal side.

We are apostate, we are whoremongerers. Ours is only "Christianity", not the true faith. We are the tools of Satan. We are idolatrous. We are unloving. We are corruption. We are going to suffer the judgement of God.

It's been an education.

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

What do you mean by liberal side? I don't think we dislike anyone who truely tries to follow scripture.

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

I mean those of us in these dreadful liberal churches that are "popping up" all over the place.

[Duggie]

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]I mean those of us in these dreadful liberal churches that are "popping up" all over the place.
Define a liberal church. Who goes? and what do you believe that's so different?

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

You tell me. It's the other people on this thread who are making out we're satan's best buddies.

[Treasure the Questions]

The church is doing great. As Eusebios said, it cannot be overcome. However, people who are not part of the church that claim to be are doing worse than ever. You can always recognize a true Christian by their fruit.
And what would you say that is, Bizzlebin?

Karin

[white dove]

the Christian church? hrm....

I feel that so long as the Spirit of Truth is leading a church, it will not be corrupted and cannot be wiped out. Case in point? A church serving the Lord; building burnt to the ground yet the Body gathered and church service started 8:00am that Sunday morning. True, a chain is as strong as its weakest link but it is our duty to build each other up, pray with and for each other, not cause dissension but seek God and His word for all things. amen?

[openup4christ]

Define a liberal church. Who goes? and what do you believe that's so different?
this is my definition of a libiral church it doesent preach the word and they think every thing is justifible because God forgives.

[openup4christ]

well over all i think the church is suffering

[white dove]

well over all i think the church is suffering

what can be done?

[openup4christ]

what can be done?
Pray is the most we can do.

[white dove]

Pray is the most we can do.
pray...and perhaps BE the difference we long to see...to make a difference, we must BE the difference. if God works through His people, then doesn't it stand to reason that we have an important job to do? prayer is amazing AND works but prayer And action, well...

[Treasure the Questions]

pray...and perhaps BE the difference we long to see...to make a difference, we must BE the difference. if God works through His people, then doesn't it stand to reason that we have an important job to do? prayer is amazing AND works but prayer And action, well...
:prayer:Lord, change the world....starting with me.

I agree, prayer and action together, so prayer can guide our actions and our actions can help answer our prayers, with God's help.;)

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

this is my definition of a libiral church it doesent preach the word and they think every thing is justifible because God forgives.
You'll be relieved to know then, that even at the "most liberal church in Sheffield", which has invited Spong, Crossan and Borg to give conferences in recent years, this was never the case.

[Treasure the Questions]

I know of evangelical churches where the sermons are only loosely based on Scripture.

"Liberal" is a vague term that means different things to different people. A liberal interpretation of the Bible is the opposite of a lieteralist one. Liberals, in this sense of the word, think that as the Bible was not written in our own language, we need to understand that some words can be translated more than one way, so we need to be aware of other possibilities in case the translator didn't choose the best meaning. We also need to understand the way those who wrote the books of the Bible thought and what their cultural customs were to help us realise what the text meant at the time it was written. We also need to be aware of the differences between poetry and law or direct speech. we need to understand that ancient people had a different understanding about the concept of a fact.

Seeing the Bible in this way does not mean that liberals don't think it is very important.

For myself I take a lively interest in matters of trade justice as I am aware of the many verses in the Bible where God tells of his desire that we treat people fairly and pay people a just wage for their efforts. I do my best to by fairly traded goods and to avoid those that are produced with extreme exploitation of the workers who produce them. I take Jesus' warning that he will not acknowledge those who ignore the hungry and the naked and the prisoner seriously.

Karin