Do you glorify HaSatan (the Adversary)?

[Lulav]

Of course many of you reading this will immediately say,

NO!, NO WAY! ( and some will be rolling their eyes when they read this, and I know which ones.;) )

Now read these phrases and think if you've ever used them ( I know I have out of habit) and then ask yourself again.


" Good Luck! ""I always have bad luck""Luckily that didn't happen to me"" Fortunately, I didn't get hurt" "Best of Luck to you on your promotion, wedding, vacation, etc"Now, have you ever said any of those things, or something similar, using the words, Luck, Luckily, Fortune, fortunately?

Do you know the word origin of those words? I'm sure you probably don't being a believer or you wouldn't be using them. For we know that G-d alone deserves the glory and He is in charge of everything.

Weither you believe or not the term Lucky comes from Lucifer or not depending on whose etymology you follow, it still is related to Fortune, or undetermined things, things from an origin other than G-d.

G-d Blesses us, watches over us, and has everything in control, so there is no such thing as 'luck'.

So next time you reach for those words to describe your circumstances, think again and glorify the L-RD in all things!

:amen:

[Kris10leigh]

Interesting. No, I did not know that.

Here's a question (or thought): I wonder how luck became such a staple in the Catholic faith, with St. Patrick's Day and the luck of the Irish. I wonder what the origins of all that is.

[WhoislikeGod]

I completely agree with you on luck. I've been trying to cut that word out of my vocabulary. What is really cool is when you cut it out of your vocabulary, it really changes the way you think. I find myself more focused on God and what he wants.

Another word I try to cut out is 'wish'. Whenever I think to wish something would happen or a similar usage I just pray about it instead. Cutting these two words out really puts the focus back on God.

[Lulav]

Interesting. No, I did not know that.

Here's a question (or thought): I wonder how luck became such a staple in the Catholic faith, with St. Patrick's Day and the luck of the Irish. I wonder what the origins of all that is.Thanks for starting another thread and not derailing this one. :) But it seems from what I've read that luck and the clover and the trinity are intertwined, that should tell you something. ;)

I completely agree with you on luck. I've been trying to cut that word out of my vocabulary. What is really cool is when you cut it out of your vocabulary, it really changes the way you think. I find myself more focused on God and what he wants.

Another word I try to cut out is 'wish'. Whenever I think to wish something would happen or a similar usage I just pray about it instead. Cutting these two words out really puts the focus back on God. Excellent! Yes, it does change your prospective and it also settles you in that you know where your help and trials come from, all from the L-RD and for good purpose!
How many times a day do we have a chance ( opps, there's another one! ;) ) an opportunity to express our belief in our faith, than to choose our words carefully. :amen:

[varsity]

Worth noting that "mazal tov" means "good constellation" where constellation refers to a sign of the Zodiac.

[ContraMundum]

Good luck with the campaign to end superstition in the church!

:D

hehehehe...couldn't resist.

[ChavaK]

Good luck with the campaign to end superstition in the church!

:D

hehehehe...couldn't resist.


LOL!!!!

[Lulav]

Good luck with the campaign to end superstition in the church!

:D

hehehehe...couldn't resist.

LOL!!!!

Glad someone found that humorous, although I don't join you, and I don't hear HaShem laughing either. :|

[johnd]

It is so true how we honor the adversary without even realizing it... because of an overestimation of human morality.

If you read very carefully the exchange between our Lord and Peter you will see a juxtaposition between Godly reason and human reason... which is attributed ultimately to Satan:

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

This doesn't settle well with most who want to believe people are basically good. Who think they are no worse than the next guy. Who can't believe they are even capable of the sins they (we all) sometimes commit...

Ever been disappointed with yourself? I have. But it occurred to me, God was not shocked or surprised by what I said or did... even if he was not omniscient he knows us well enough not to place such unrealistic expectations on us. This is the ultimate point of the cross.

The Law was given to show we cannot measure up nor can we catch up. The cross was the only solution, God had to reach down to pick us up.

[johnd]

How often have you used the phrase "swear by?"

You know, more than cussing I think the Lord has been warning us not to swear frivolously, like the recipe auntie Stella swears by...

Little slips of the tongue like this I think are more destructive and damnable than Poopdeck Pappy's (Popeye the Sailor's father) dictionary of cuss words. Because one swears by whatever god they believe in or proclaim.

knock wood... that's another pagan (Druid I believe) custom.

How about "Jeez" "Ah Jeez Louise..." Jeez-zus (Jesus)..

We have become so tolerable of people blaspheming in society...

"Oh God!" Funny on Frasier or Everybody Loves Raymond? Or tragedy? I realize this is also an almost subconscious expression in Jewish culture. I think of the first time Uncle Leo is introduced on the old Seinfeld show.

These things matter what we say, how we say them, how we parrot them and not even realize what we are saying. Word of mouth as any merchant knows is a vital form of advertising; or in the spirit realm, of evangelizing (there are false evangelists as well as true).

[Kris10leigh]

I was thinking about this last night.

Words come to mean different things over time.

Cool=good
gay= used to mean happy, but now means homosexual
sick= now means "great" in teen lingo
etc.

So if "Good luck" has come to mean something different, wouldn't it then be ok to use? No one who says "Good luck" means anything satanic by saying it. It is a kindly gesture to say these words.

Just a thought.

[ChavaK]

Glad someone found that humorous, although I don't join you, and I don't hear HaShem laughing either. :|

Then I guess I better not say "mazel tov" on starting the thread
either, LOL.

Lulav, you gotta quit being so serious all the time! ;)

[WhoislikeGod]

Would you use a golden calf to worship God even if you didn’t want it to mean what it means? Maybe not, but that’s just one side of it. I think the adversary wants us to draw our attention away from God in everything we do and say, and even if it seems harmless to use these words because they don’t mean what you mean them to mean it doesn’t mean they aren’t still effective in drawing your attention away from God. I think the adversary wants us to trip up all over the place with all the distractions his got worked into the world, and because they’re so regular to us we don’t even realize we’re crawling along because we cant stop tripping.

[stone]

I know what your getting at about the use of the word luck, but i've just got to add a couple of my most favorite phrases that i use that i can add to these...

*clears throat*

Better you than me.

There's only one way to find out.

:thumbsup:


Of course many of you reading this will immediately say,

NO!, NO WAY! ( and some will be rolling their eyes when they read this, and I know which ones.;) )

Now read these phrases and think if you've ever used them ( I know I have out of habit) and then ask yourself again.


Now, have you ever said any of those things, or something similar, using the words, Luck, Luckily, Fortune, fortunately?

Do you know the word origin of those words? I'm sure you probably don't being a believer or you wouldn't be using them. For we know that G-d alone deserves the glory and He is in charge of everything.

Weither you believe or not the term Lucky comes from Lucifer or not depending on whose etymology you follow, it still is related to Fortune, or undetermined things, things from an origin other than G-d.

G-d Blesses us, watches over us, and has everything in control, so there is no such thing as 'luck'.

So next time you reach for those words to describe your circumstances, think again and glorify the L-RD in all things!

:amen:

[Lulav]

It is so true how we honor the adversary without even realizing it... because of an overestimation of human morality.

If you read very carefully the exchange between our Lord and Peter you will see a juxtaposition between Godly reason and human reason... which is attributed ultimately to Satan:

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

This doesn't settle well with most who want to believe people are basically good. Who think they are no worse than the next guy. Who can't believe they are even capable of the sins they (we all) sometimes commit...

Ever been disappointed with yourself? I have. But it occurred to me, God was not shocked or surprised by what I said or did... even if he was not omniscient he knows us well enough not to place such unrealistic expectations on us. This is the ultimate point of the cross.

The Law was given to show we cannot measure up nor can we catch up. The cross was the only solution, God had to reach down to pick us up.:thumbsup:

Yes, and it shows our 'need' for him, we can't do it without him.

Great example, here is the beloved Peter and Yeshua calls him Satan! Really how many times have you thought you were doing something 'good' but it turned out bad? Because it wasn't in G-ds plan or in his timing? This is why to truly walk the right and narrow way, we must include him in everything we do, no matter how trivial and ALWAYS be aware that our understanding is not the same as his, why? because he doesn't just have the past as we do but he has the future knowledge and can see around that next corner, and we can't.

Peter wanted to save his beloved L-RD from a cruel death, not realizing that is why he came, that was his main job and stopping him was what Satan wanted!

We need to be diligent to do what the L-RD says is right, we have his Torah for guidance but many don't take advantage of his presence of his Holy Spirit that is there always to guide us, ....................all we have to do is ask. :pray:

[Lulav]

How often have you used the phrase "swear by?"

You know, more than cussing I think the Lord has been warning us not to swear frivolously, like the recipe auntie Stella swears by...

Little slips of the tongue like this I think are more destructive and damnable than Poopdeck Pappy's (Popeye the Sailor's father) dictionary of cuss words. Because one swears by whatever god they believe in or proclaim.

knock wood... that's another pagan (Druid I believe) custom.

How about "Jeez" "Ah Jeez Louise..." Jeez-zus (Jesus)..

We have become so tolerable of people blaspheming in society...

"Oh God!" Funny on Frasier or Everybody Loves Raymond? Or tragedy? I realize this is also an almost subconscious expression in Jewish culture. I think of the first time Uncle Leo is introduced on the old Seinfeld show.

These things matter what we say, how we say them, how we parrot them and not even realize what we are saying. Word of mouth as any merchant knows is a vital form of advertising; or in the spirit realm, of evangelizing (there are false evangelists as well as true).:amen:

I was thinking about this last night.

Words come to mean different things over time.

Cool=good
gay= used to mean happy, but now means homosexual
sick= now means "great" in teen lingo
etc.

So if "Good luck" has come to mean something different, wouldn't it then be ok to use? No one who says "Good luck" means anything satanic by saying it. It is a kindly gesture to say these words.

Just a thought. How is it different when G-d is not being given the glory by one of his own? I believe that all things happen as he plans them to, they don't happen by 'chance' or 'good luck', 'bad luck' or 'good karma' 'bad karma', these are all the pagans ways, but not our G-ds, he is in full control, and to attribute it to something that is not in his control is taking from him the glory he deserves and giving it to another. Something we aren't to do, for our G-d is a Jealous G-d, he is jealous for his own, and I like that, makes me feel very loved. :hug:

[Lulav]

chavak :hug:

Then I guess I better not say "mazel tov" on starting the thread
either, LOL.

Lulav, you gotta quit being so serious all the time! ;) I didn't put that one in there but I should have I guess. I have been guilty of using it myself. I don't mean to offend, it's just the hazard of my spiritual type I guess. ;)

[Kris10leigh]

I believe that all things happen as he plans them to, they don't happen by 'chance' or 'good luck', 'bad luck' or 'good karma' 'bad karma', these are all the pagans ways, but not our G-ds, he is in full control, and to attribute it to something that is not in his control is taking from him the glory he deserves and giving it to another.

I hadn't looked at it that way, Lulav. I have no rebuttle. ;)

[Yuanshen]

I read in the Old Testament that time and chance happen to all.

Time and chance are not God's sovereignty. Time and chance are luck.

Fortune happens to all of us.

yuan

[visionary]

I read in the Old Testament that time and chance happen to all.

Time and chance are not God's sovereignty. Time and chance are luck.

Fortune happens to all of us.

yuanAll within God's providence

[ChavaK]

chavak :hug:

I didn't put that one in there but I should have I guess. I have been guilty of using it myself. I don't mean to offend, it's just the hazard of my spiritual type I guess. ;)

Give up saying mazel tov??? Never!! :D

[visionary]

Worth noting that "mazal tov" means "good constellation" where constellation refers to a sign of the Zodiac.Biblical constellations refers to the signs of Mazzoroth which is good.

[bluemarkus]

a guy i met on second life said that the english article "the" in its root had a reference to god. so when you say "the chair" or "the table" you actually say "gods chair" and "gods table"

[Kris10leigh]

a guy i met on second life said that the english article "the" in its root had a reference to god. so when you say "the chair" or "the table" you actually say "gods chair" and "gods table"
I do not know how to google that! ^_^ I tried, but googling the word "the" just doesn't cut it. :wave:

[Henaynei]

a guy i met on second life said that the english article "the" in its root had a reference to god. so when you say "the chair" or "the table" you actually say "gods chair" and "gods table"that seems amazingly far fetched to me....

[Henaynei]

I do not know how to Google that! ^_^ I tried, but googling the word "the" just doesn't cut it. :wave:LOL - not unless you're going for the Guinness World Record for the highest hit count in any one search online ;)

[johnd]

:thumbsup:

Yes, and it shows our 'need' for him, we can't do it without him.

Great example, here is the beloved Peter and Yeshua calls him Satan! Really how many times have you thought you were doing something 'good' but it turned out bad? Because it wasn't in G-ds plan or in his timing? This is why to truly walk the right and narrow way, we must include him in everything we do, no matter how trivial and ALWAYS be aware that our understanding is not the same as his, why? because he doesn't just have the past as we do but he has the future knowledge and can see around that next corner, and we can't.

Peter wanted to save his beloved L-RD from a cruel death, not realizing that is why he came, that was his main job and stopping him was what Satan wanted!

We need to be diligent to do what the L-RD says is right, we have his Torah for guidance but many don't take advantage of his presence of his Holy Spirit that is there always to guide us, ....................all we have to do is ask. :pray:

n/t

[Lulav]

johnd,

what's n/t mean? I thought I knew all internet slang, but not this one??

no time? :scratch:

[Kris10leigh]

Just for discussion purposes:

I left work the other day and when I returned the only parking spot left in the entire parking lot was very same one I'd vacated earlier. I had the immediate thought "Well, that was luck." Then I thought about this thread. ;)

So what do you do with that? I wouldn't exactly thank God for keeping my parking spot for me because I see that as being rather egotistical. I don't think God would save that spot for me instead of some poor mother with three small children running in for only a second, for instance.

Naturally I don't think Satan saved the spot for me.

So if you are trying to be mindful of such a thing as "luck", what happy thought are you supposed to have? Just a simply, "Yeah?"

[Henaynei]

I wouldn't exactly thank G-d for keeping my parking spot for me because I see that as being rather egotistical. I don't think G-d would save that spot for me instead of some poor mother with three small children running in for only a second, for instance.Does not G-d know who isw in more need, by His own measure? - why do you think that He chooses who is more deserving when He has said He is no respecter of persons?

Could not that mom of three be at peace in her day and with HaShem.... could not an individual coming back to work need a little extra hug....

would not the knowledge of a G-d and His grace and care humble us rather than be egotistical?

Job 7:17
What is man, that Thou shouldest magnify him? and that Thou shouldest set Thine heart upon him?

Job 15:14
What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

Ps 8:4
What is man, that Thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, That thou visitest him?

Ps 144:3
L-RD, what is man, that Thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, That thou makest account of him! So if you are trying to be mindful of such a thing as "luck", what happy thought are you supposed to have? Just a simply, "Yeah?" How about a simple, "Thank You"?? ;)

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

and should not this awareness make us all the more mindful and humble?

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the L-RD your G-d promised you; so shall the L-RD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the L-RD your G-d hath given you.
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[Kris10leigh]

Nice post, Hen! I may refer back to it often. I spend my entire life trying to take up as little space as possible, trying not to be noticed. I feel undeserving of the parking spot, I guess. And yes, I definitely needed a "hug" when I found it waiting for me!

I'm the one who lets everybody go in front of me at the grocery store if they have less than me, sometimes waiting in line for a very long time myself. (Once the cashier finally made me came through. ^_^ ) So perhaps it is God's way of saying, "Hey, thanks for the nice things you've done for other recently."

[Henaynei]

Nice post, Hen! I may refer back to it often. I spend my entire life trying to take up as little space as possible, trying not to be noticed. I feel undeserving of the parking spot, I guess. And yes, I definitely needed a "hug" when I found it waiting for me!

I'm the one who lets everybody go in front of me at the grocery store if they have less than me, sometimes waiting in line for a very long time myself. (Once the cashier finally made me came through. ) So perhaps it is G-d's way of saying, "Hey, thanks for the nice things you've done for other recently.":thumbsup:
:hug: :hug: Kris10leigh:hug: :hug:

[Kris10leigh]

:D Thank you :D

[AnneSally]

Weither you believe or not the term Lucky comes from Lucifer or not depending on whose etymology you follow.



Yikes, I didn't know that.:eek:

Does the word Lucifer appear in the Bible?:scratch: