johnd
3rd March 2008, 02:47 PM
If this too controversial I certainly understand the supermods removing this thread.
And I must admit having in the back of my mind a discussion with a fellow poster here about the subject of abortion... and how it seems to burden them. I have been clobbered here before for trying to help... and at the risk of being clobbered again, I try to help...
I have not caused the untimely death of another under any circumstance, especially not abortion which is murder. I came out strong and hard against abortion and sometimes against those who had them including my own mother and my sister. I was an active campaign worker and voter (obviously) for the cause of pro-life, supported crisis pregnancy centers, mentored wayward mothers (as they were called in those days)...
All a candidate had to say was they were pro choice (and I'd oppose them to the gates of hell) or they were pro-life and I'd give them the keys to the kingdom (if I had 'em).
Then I started looking around at the result of all this effort... things go on as they had been since the 1970's when abortion was pretty much {scientifically} up in the air...
And the evidence of having been so easily duped all of these years got me to do some soul searching and Bible study.
Yes abortion is just as heinous as ever. No I have not changed on my stance against it. What has changed is my view of those who did such an act... unless someone is just given over entirely to evil (and there are those types in the world) I don't believe a woman who aborted her baby realizes what she's done... at least not most of the time. I am sure glimpses of reality seep in past denial.
And who among us all can say we do not have deeply rooted regrets of some sort... maybe a person we felt led to witness to and didn't and later heard of their death...
We have to trust God. That's the bottom line.
No, not all babies who die go to heaven... or at least no one has shown me from the Bible where this is said to be true. It's always an inferred argument over ages of accountability...
To which I also infer that if infant mortality is the way to heaven then may we all die in child birth and be spared this rotten world....
But it cannot be another way of salvation if Jesus is to be taken seriously in John 14:6 and John 3:16-18.
We must rely upon God's ability to know all things past present and future and all the variables of human choice. If king David were to die in childbirth he would not be in the Messianic line (obviously) but would the Lord not have known how his heart for God would have been had he lived to "the age of accountability?"
Of course.
So, and this is only inferred, I cannot lay scriptures on you the reader here... known to God is all who would believe in Messiah. And that case, we will see our beloved dead who would have believed...
And hopefully this consideration might help others (and the person here who I have in mind especially) to get past an event they have taken personally in their own family and can heal and move on.
God bless you in particular.
http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Etxpstcrd/texas/TexasBluebonnets2.jpg
And I must admit having in the back of my mind a discussion with a fellow poster here about the subject of abortion... and how it seems to burden them. I have been clobbered here before for trying to help... and at the risk of being clobbered again, I try to help...
I have not caused the untimely death of another under any circumstance, especially not abortion which is murder. I came out strong and hard against abortion and sometimes against those who had them including my own mother and my sister. I was an active campaign worker and voter (obviously) for the cause of pro-life, supported crisis pregnancy centers, mentored wayward mothers (as they were called in those days)...
All a candidate had to say was they were pro choice (and I'd oppose them to the gates of hell) or they were pro-life and I'd give them the keys to the kingdom (if I had 'em).
Then I started looking around at the result of all this effort... things go on as they had been since the 1970's when abortion was pretty much {scientifically} up in the air...
And the evidence of having been so easily duped all of these years got me to do some soul searching and Bible study.
Yes abortion is just as heinous as ever. No I have not changed on my stance against it. What has changed is my view of those who did such an act... unless someone is just given over entirely to evil (and there are those types in the world) I don't believe a woman who aborted her baby realizes what she's done... at least not most of the time. I am sure glimpses of reality seep in past denial.
And who among us all can say we do not have deeply rooted regrets of some sort... maybe a person we felt led to witness to and didn't and later heard of their death...
We have to trust God. That's the bottom line.
No, not all babies who die go to heaven... or at least no one has shown me from the Bible where this is said to be true. It's always an inferred argument over ages of accountability...
To which I also infer that if infant mortality is the way to heaven then may we all die in child birth and be spared this rotten world....
But it cannot be another way of salvation if Jesus is to be taken seriously in John 14:6 and John 3:16-18.
We must rely upon God's ability to know all things past present and future and all the variables of human choice. If king David were to die in childbirth he would not be in the Messianic line (obviously) but would the Lord not have known how his heart for God would have been had he lived to "the age of accountability?"
Of course.
So, and this is only inferred, I cannot lay scriptures on you the reader here... known to God is all who would believe in Messiah. And that case, we will see our beloved dead who would have believed...
And hopefully this consideration might help others (and the person here who I have in mind especially) to get past an event they have taken personally in their own family and can heal and move on.
God bless you in particular.
http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Etxpstcrd/texas/TexasBluebonnets2.jpg