Did Jesus use a bulletin?

[jenley]

This afternoon I ran over to church to finish the bulletin for the morning.

As I was stapeling and folding a visiting pastor poked his head in my office and asked if Jesus used a bulletin...

It is a running joke this week. We did a survey last Sunday asking about projects around the campus and prioritizing them... One of the projects is enlarging pastors office just by taking out a wall... One of the comments was 'Jesus didn't have an office';)

[Jim47]

I think Jesus dictated all His writings ;)

as I don't see a single book that He authored in the bible :)

but He did say that He wrote in our hearts, not quite a bulletin but much more effective :clap:

[DaRev]

I think Jesus dictated all His writings ;)

as I don't see a single book that He authored in the bible :)

but He did say that He wrote in our hearts, not quite a bulletin but much more effective :clap:

Well, actually, Jesus, as God, authored all the books of the Bible. :P

[Jim47]

Well, actually, Jesus, as God, authored all the books of the Bible. :P


I wondered if anyone would catch that :thumbsup:

[synger]

I think Jesus dictated all His writings ;)

as I don't see a single book that He authored in the bible :)

but He did say that He wrote in our hearts, not quite a bulletin but much more effective :clap:
So everyone has a Page 15!

[Jim47]

So everyone has a Page 15!

:scratch: Sorry Synger, that one flew right over my head ^_^

[WildStrawberry]

The old TLH had 2 Divine Services, Page 5 (no communion) and page 15 (communion)

At least, I think this is what she's talking about. :D

Kae

[DaRev]

So everyone has a Page 15!

a.k.a. LSB Divine Service setting 3. ;)

[filosofer]

If Jesus used a bulletin, let's hope it was 8 1/2 by 14, so they could get the wider fold for the Hebrew Scriptures.

;)

[seajoy]

There can't possibly be another thread like this one, anywhere on the net. :doh: :)

[porterross]

You say that like it's a bad thing. :P

[DaRev]

I don't know if Jesus had a bulletin, but we do know it would open the other way. :D ^_^

[jenley]

There can't possibly be another thread like this one, anywhere on the net. :doh: :)
You all are funny
Thanks for playing along



We do one service all out of the Hymnal once a month. The other weeks I type out everything in a service folder. Well unless space is tight, I will just reference the hymn number or type out the words if it is a song not in the hymnal.

[Studeclunker]

Did Jesus use a bulletin? Not in the paper sense, as paper was too expensive for the Synagogues (sp?) of his day. Instead, they impressed the order of service upon thier minds from an early age. They MEMORIZED the service, if you will. Something we, as Lutherans, would be wise to emulate. There's nothing wrong with having the Divine Order Of Service memorized. After all, it is almost all scripture!;) Weren't we admonished to have this (scripture), 'written on our hearts and minds'?

So did Jesus use a bulletin? I suppose in a very non-literal way, you could say he did.;) As to an office, He has something even better! Our Lord has a THRONE ROOM! :cool:

[PreachersWife2004]

Hopefully not the same "throne room" that we have here in our house! ;)

Did Jesus use a bulletin? Not in the paper sense, as paper was too expensive for the Synagogues (sp?) of his day. Instead, they impressed the order of service upon thier minds from an early age. They MEMORIZED the service, if you will. Something we, as Lutherans, would be wise to emulate. There's nothing wrong with having the Divine Order Of Service memorized. After all, it is almost all scripture!;) Weren't we admonished to have this (scripture), 'written on our hearts and minds'?

So did Jesus use a bulletin? I suppose in a very non-literal way, you could say he did.;) As to an office, He has something even better! Our Lord has a THRONE ROOM! :cool:

[RadMan]

Did Jesus use a bulletin? Not in the paper sense, as paper was too expensive for the Synagogues (sp?) of his day. Instead, they impressed the order of service upon thier minds from an early age. They MEMORIZED the service, if you will. Something we, as Lutherans, would be wise to emulate. There's nothing wrong with having the Divine Order Of Service memorized. After all, it is almost all scripture!;) Weren't we admonished to have this (scripture), 'written on our hearts and minds'?

So did Jesus use a bulletin? I suppose in a very non-literal way, you could say he did.;) As to an office, He has something even better! Our Lord has a THRONE ROOM! :cool: I can't imagine any long time Lutheran not knowing the order of service in the TLH bu heart. All of them

[jenley]

I would agree
Even going from LCMS to WELS a few years ago, blue to red hymnal...

[PreachersWife2004]

I'll be honest, I only know common service, found on page 15 of TLH.

That's what the church I grew up in used all the time.

[jenley]

We are doing Common Service in the morning :)
But it is not page 15 in CW (bad secretary, can't remember what page and I just typed the bulletin up Tuesday) :D

[Studeclunker]

It's commendable, Rad, that you can remember such. However, I've seen a number of pastors up front who couldn't do the service without constantly referring back to the hymnal. I'm not talking about the small segments which change, like prayer of the day and such, but the basics which are the same each setting. Ah, well. Fortuneately, that's a very minor issue anyway.

[jenley]

We are doing Common Service in the morning :)
But it is not page 15 in CW (bad secretary, can't remember what page and I just typed the bulletin up Tuesday) :D

:blush: It is page 15...

[PreachersWife2004]

:blush: It is page 15...

I was gonna say that I fully remember when they brought out the supplement there was a big to-do about the fact that page 15 was still gonna be common service - for all the old fuddy duddies that could only remember that service!! ^_^

[DaRev]

I was gonna say that I fully remember when they brought out the supplement there was a big to-do about the fact that page 15 was still gonna be common service - for all the old fuddy duddies that could only remember that service!! ^_^

So the Common Service in CW is the same as TLH p. 15?

[jenley]

Yes it is:D

[PreachersWife2004]

Yep. I think the wording might be different...updated I suppose. I don't know where my TLH is to verify so don't quote me on that.

So the Common Service in CW is the same as TLH p. 15?

[DaRev]

Yep. I think the wording might be different...updated I suppose. I don't know where my TLH is to verify so don't quote me on that.

I was gonna say, the copy of CW that I've seen didn't have anything in it that was familiar to me. The new LSB contains the page 15 service. The only difference is the way the creed is worded, "sits" and "proceeds" instead of "sitteth" and "proceedeth", Holy Spirit instead of Holy Ghost, and "living" instead of "quick". The liturgical elements and music are the same as TLH p. 15.

[PreachersWife2004]

Yep, here's page 15:

There is an introductory paragraph on the history of the Common Service. It starts out with a hymn and then goes into the invocation:

M: In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

and we sing Amen.

Then it's the confession of sins. Here is the first spot that may be updated, but again, not sure. The words are as follows:

Holy and Merciful Father, I confess that I am by nature sinful and that I have disobeyed you in my thoughts, words, and actions. I have done what is evil and failed to do what is good. For this I deserve your punishment both now and in eternity. But I am truly sorry for my sins, and trusting in my Savior Jesus Christ, I pray, Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.

We then sing Lord have mercy on us. I think the wording in TLH uses the word upon us rather than simply on us.

Next page is the pastor giving the forgiveness through the power of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

We then sing Glory Be to God (Gloria in Excelsis). I KNOW the words have been updated here.

Then we have the prayer of the day on the next page (17) which starts out with the pastor saying "The Lord be with you" and we sing "and also with you".

Then we have the readings and the psalm.

Page 18 includes the verse of the day with the alleluia.

We have the gospel, followed by the Nicene or Apostles Creed (for us it depended on whether it was a communion Sunday or not)

On 19 we have the hymn of the day followed by the sermon.

Page 20 is Create in me a clean heart (one of my favorites) and the wording has been updated.

Offering follows, and then the prayer of the church, followed by the Lord's prayer.

From there we either go to the Sacrament on 21 or we go to page 25 for the closing of the service.

The Sacrament wording has also been updated. We still have the Holy Holy Holy (Sanctus) and the O Christ Lamb of God (Agnus Dei) and the Nunc Dimittis.


Hopefully this helps. Otherwise it was a nice little exercise for me since our church only does common service on the fifth Sunday. :( I wish we did it more, but we use Service of the Word (Pg. 38) on non-communion Sundays and Service of the Word and Sacrament (Pg. 26) for communion Sundays and then Morning Praise for the 4th Sunday. It does make for a nice rotation of the services. Oh, we also use Evening Worship for our lenten services.

[DaRev]

Yep, here's page 15:

There is an introductory paragraph on the history of the Common Service. It starts out with a hymn and then goes into the invocation:

M: In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

and we sing Amen.

Then it's the confession of sins. Here is the first spot that may be updated, but again, not sure. The words are as follows:

Holy and Merciful Father, I confess that I am by nature sinful and that I have disobeyed you in my thoughts, words, and actions. I have done what is evil and failed to do what is good. For this I deserve your punishment both now and in eternity. But I am truly sorry for my sins, and trusting in my Savior Jesus Christ, I pray, Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.

We then sing Lord have mercy on us. I think the wording in TLH uses the word upon us rather than simply on us.

Next page is the pastor giving the forgiveness through the power of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

We then sing Glory Be to God (Gloria in Excelsis). I KNOW the words have been updated here.

Then we have the prayer of the day on the next page (17) which starts out with the pastor saying "The Lord be with you" and we sing "and also with you".

Then we have the readings and the psalm.

Page 18 includes the verse of the day with the alleluia.

We have the gospel, followed by the Nicene or Apostles Creed (for us it depended on whether it was a communion Sunday or not)

On 19 we have the hymn of the day followed by the sermon.

Page 20 is Create in me a clean heart (one of my favorites) and the wording has been updated.

Offering follows, and then the prayer of the church, followed by the Lord's prayer.

From there we either go to the Sacrament on 21 or we go to page 25 for the closing of the service.

The Sacrament wording has also been updated. We still have the Holy Holy Holy (Sanctus) and the O Christ Lamb of God (Agnus Dei) and the Nunc Dimittis.


Hopefully this helps. Otherwise it was a nice little exercise for me since our church only does common service on the fifth Sunday. :( I wish we did it more, but we use Service of the Word (Pg. 38) on non-communion Sundays and Service of the Word and Sacrament (Pg. 26) for communion Sundays and then Morning Praise for the 4th Sunday. It does make for a nice rotation of the services. Oh, we also use Evening Worship for our lenten services.

That's quite different from TLH page 15. The wording of confession is very different and the Kyrie comes after the pronouncement of absolution. In the LSB the order and the wording are the same as TLH, with the exception of the Creed as I noted before.

[PreachersWife2004]

I think the kyrie is in the right spot. We are, afterall, asking for God's mercy and then the absolution is given after that. But that's just me.

I found Matt's TLH. Looking at it, I now remember how "annoyed" I got after the confession of sins because we were singing three things right in a row and it seems like SO MUCH SINGING. Heh. How times change.

Other than what you mentioned, Rev, everything else is pretty much the same. I think there is MORE singing/chanting in the TLH, though. I noticed that we don't sing the salutation at the end, we go straight into the benediction.

It's kinda neat, though, looking at the old service. I used to love all the thees and thous and the old English. That is one thing I do miss in the CW. They kept it for some hymns, but not all.

[DaRev]

I think the kyrie is in the right spot. We are, afterall, asking for God's mercy and then the absolution is given after that. But that's just me.

Well, the Kyrie is usually associated with other prayers apart from confession and absolution.

I found Matt's TLH. Looking at it, I now remember how "annoyed" I got after the confession of sins because we were singing three things right in a row and it seems like SO MUCH SINGING. Heh. How times change.

Other than what you mentioned, Rev, everything else is pretty much the same. I think there is MORE singing/chanting in the TLH, though. I noticed that we don't sing the salutation at the end, we go straight into the benediction.

It's kinda neat, though, looking at the old service. I used to love all the thees and thous and the old English. That is one thing I do miss in the CW. They kept it for some hymns, but not all.

Most of the hymns in the LSB are like the TLH hymns. If you ever get the chance to look at one, you might be pleased with it. Most of our folks love it. It's refreshing after 25 years of that awful Lutheran Worship hymnal.

[PreachersWife2004]

I was just reading about that somewhere, wikipedia maybe. ^_^ I know of some LCMS churches in my hometown that used it for like a month and then trashed it, figuratively speaking.

WELS is coming out with a new supplement to the hymnal again this year. They're giving out freebies at the worship conference being held this sumer. I am so bummed that I will not be able to attend this year. I had a blast at the last one.

Sometimes, though, I think we're just reinventing the wheel. Most folks are pleased with the liturgy, or at least they have finally gotten around to being able to follow the "new fangled" stuff. And this is the second supplement to CW.

The first alternate service settings came out with songs like "Come oh come let us sing to the Lord", which I happen to love but others hate.

Go figure.

[jenley]

I like the alternate service settings

[RadMan]

Well, the Kyrie is usually associated with other prayers apart from confession and absolution.



Most of the hymns in the LSB are like the TLH hymns. If you ever get the chance to look at one, you might be pleased with it. Most of our folks love it. It's refreshing after 25 years of that awful Lutheran Worship hymnal.I just did a study of the difference of hymns between the LSB the TLH and there were around ........oh darn...what was it?..........I think it was 318 hymns were left out when they went to the LSB. I actually did a physical count and then had it verified with the LCMS hymnal committee. Can't find my notes though.

[LutherNut]

I just did a study of the difference of hymns between the LSB the TLH and there were around ........oh darn...what was it?..........I think it was 318 hymns were left out when they went to the LSB. I actually did a physical count and then had it verified with the LCMS hymnal committee. Can't find my notes though.

Well they couldn't put them all in, otherwise the book would be too big. :P

[DaRev]

The LSB wasn't meant to be a reissuance of TLH. It was to combine the better aspects of TLH and LW so that the synod would have a single hymnal and so CPH can take TLH out of print.

[RadMan]

The LSB wasn't meant to be a reissuance of TLH. It was to combine the better aspects of TLH and LW so that the synod would have a single hymnal and so CPH can take TLH out of print.I looked through some of the hymns that were taken out and it was probably for the best. Some words in the hymns were so archaic that the average person didn't even know what they meant. And some of the phrases were "huh?"

[PreachersWife2004]

I remember using an old text for one of the creeds that says "he will come to judge the quick and dead." My son wanted to know what was going to happen to the slow people! :D

[LilLamb219]

I remember using an old text for one of the creeds that says "he will come to judge the quick and dead." My son wanted to know what was going to happen to the slow people! :D

That's the way I learned and memorized it! I still goof up though from time to time :blush:

[PreachersWife2004]

Me, too! And then it throws my son off, who gives me a dirty look and then I start laughing because I'm an idiot...and well...then I have to bite my tongue because I'm not setting a good example!! :holy:

That's the way I learned and memorized it! I still goof up though from time to time :blush:

[dinkime]

but which version of the Lord's prayer does your church use!??!?!

we use the regular one on sundays and regular wednesdays, but for the Lenten services, Pastor has us using the new one (which i don't like!)

in my power hour class (2-3 year olds) i use the regular one, and i have 3 year olds who have learned it and say it at home with their family and during church with the congregation

[PreachersWife2004]

We use the old version. I do not like the new version either. For me, it just comes across as too contemporary.

That reminds me, though...has anyone ever looked up the 23rd psalm in the book The Message? Talk about contemporary!

1-3 God, my shepherd! I don't need a thing.
You have bedded me down in lush meadows,
you find me quiet pools to drink from.
True to your word,
you let me catch my breath
and send me in the right direction.

4 Even when the way goes through
Death Valley,
I'm not afraid
when you walk at my side.
Your trusty shepherd's crook
makes me feel secure.

5 You serve me a six-course dinner
right in front of my enemies.
You revive my drooping head;
my cup brims with blessing.

6 Your beauty and love chase after me
every day of my life.
I'm back home in the house of God
for the rest of my life.

[PreachersWife2004]

But here is, by far, the funniest translation of Psalm 23. This is rather irreverent, so I apologize in advance. For those of you who are familiar with lolcats and how they "talk", this will make you laugh.

1 (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Psalm_23#1) Ceiling Cat iz mai sheprd (which is funni if u knowz teh joek about herdin catz LOL.)
He givz me evrithin I need.
2 (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Psalm_23#2) He letz me sleeps in teh sunni spot
an haz liek nice waterz r ovar thar.
3 (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Psalm_23#3) He makez mai soul happi
an maeks sure I go teh riet wai for him. Liek thru teh cat flap insted of out teh opin windo LOL.
4 (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Psalm_23#4) I iz in teh valli of dogz, fearin no pooch,
bcz Ceiling Cat iz besied me rubbin' mah ears, an it maek me so kumfy.
5 (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Psalm_23#5) He letz me sit at teh taebl evn when peepl who duzint liek me iz watchn.
He givz me a flea baff an so much gooshy fud it runz out of mai bowl LOL.
6 (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Psalm_23#6) Niec things an luck wil chase me evrydai
an I wil liv in teh Ceiling Cats houz forevr.


Holy cow. I cracked up just rereading it now.

HERE (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page) is the link for the whole project...

[cerette]

That's the way I learned and memorized it! I still goof up though from time to time :blush:
that's hilarious.. never heard that translation before... caused a giggle because i know of a wels family whose last name is quick :D

[PreachersWife2004]

^_^ Guess they were the only ones gettin saved back then! Good thing we changed the wording!

that's hilarious.. never heard that translation before... caused a giggle because i know of a wels family whose last name is quick :D

[DaRev]

Don't waste your time looking up the lolcat "Bible". It's disgusting. The profanity that it contains is sickening.

[PreachersWife2004]

Don't waste your time looking up the lolcat "Bible". It's disgusting. The profanity that it contains is sickening.

I must be looking in all the wrong places then because I haven't seen anything profane. What I have seen is irreverent, though. And hubby and I cracked up completely when we read the beginning of Genesis.

Any profanity on there is in acronyms. There are basically three allowed, and that is sparingly. They really do not want cussing on the pages.

Ah well. If you aren't overly sensitive about that kind of stuff, it's a fun read every now and then. Nothing I've looked at has contained any profanity whatsoever. When I've looked at it, it's been for light fun and a chance to laugh a bit. As I said, irreverent.

[WildStrawberry]

Okay, I'll post a funny to lighten the load...

One Sunday morning a couple of years ago, my Mother and I were in church standing during the Gospel reading.

Mom, who has been a Lutheran all her life and went to Lutheran Day School for the first 8 years, has been baptized, confirmed and married in the Lutheran church, leaned over and whispered to me:

"Did you know that the Gospel readings always come from Matthew, Mark, Luke or John?"

Imagine the look on my face when I leaned back over and said "uh Mom, that's why they're called the four Gospels!!!!"

*G*

Kae

[DaRev]

I must be looking in all the wrong places then because I haven't seen anything profane. What I have seen is irreverent, though. And hubby and I cracked up completely when we read the beginning of Genesis.

Any profanity on there is in acronyms. There are basically three allowed, and that is sparingly. They really do not want cussing on the pages.

Ah well. If you aren't overly sensitive about that kind of stuff, it's a fun read every now and then. Nothing I've looked at has contained any profanity whatsoever. When I've looked at it, it's been for light fun and a chance to laugh a bit. As I said, irreverent.

Apparently one of the acronyms allowed concerns the F word. I was totally appalled when I saw it.

[DaRev]

Okay, I'll post a funny to lighten the load...

One Sunday morning a couple of years ago, my Mother and I were in church standing during the Gospel reading.

Mom, who has been a Lutheran all her life and went to Lutheran Day School for the first 8 years, has been baptized, confirmed and married in the Lutheran church, leaned over and whispered to me:

"Did you know that the Gospel readings always come from Matthew, Mark, Luke or John?"

Imagine the look on my face when I leaned back over and said "uh Mom, that's why they're called the four Gospels!!!!"

*G*

Kae

That's funny! ^_^ ^_^

[RadMan]

Okay, I'll post a funny to lighten the load...

One Sunday morning a couple of years ago, my Mother and I were in church standing during the Gospel reading.

Mom, who has been a Lutheran all her life and went to Lutheran Day School for the first 8 years, has been baptized, confirmed and married in the Lutheran church, leaned over and whispered to me:

"Did you know that the Gospel readings always come from Matthew, Mark, Luke or John?"

Imagine the look on my face when I leaned back over and said "uh Mom, that's why they're called the four Gospels!!!!"

*G*

KaeLol :)

[Edial]

...a visiting pastor poked his head in my office and asked if Jesus used a bulletin...

...
Actually He did. :)

LK 4:16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
LK 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
LK 4:19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
LK 4:20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, 21 and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."

It was His turn to read Scriptures. :)

And in v.21 He gave a short sermon. :)

[seajoy]

Ed...you make me smile. :)