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ozell

1st March 2008, 03:30 PM

Rv 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

ozell

1st March 2008, 03:36 PM

In your understanding of the Word of God

who is this? or what organization will he come out of?

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

2Thes 2:1: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2: That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

visionary

1st March 2008, 03:41 PM

should this not be two threads as they are two completely different topic?

ozell

1st March 2008, 04:00 PM

should this not be two threads as they are two completely different topic?

I have probably heard every Roman Catholic\Roman Protestant Interpretation.

I'll revise because we have here knowledgeable Chrisitans.

visionary

1st March 2008, 04:28 PM

Do you want me to make two threads out of this?

MichaelTheeArchAngel

1st March 2008, 06:38 PM

I have probably heard every Roman Catholic\Roman Protestant Interpretation.

I'll revise because we have here knowledgeable Chrisitans. Our bibles speak of about 5 different endings. Perhaps more, depending on how your looking at it.:cool:

ozell

1st March 2008, 09:31 PM

The Lord directed us to Daniel for information concerning the AoD.

We know the 4th beast was the Roman Empire

Dan7v7: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8: I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

This 4th beast had 10 horns and also a single horn speaking great things.

the prophecy jumps to the coming of the Lord

9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10: A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

this 4th beast 10 horns and this little horn is around when the Lord comes.

11: I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12: As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

It is the Lord who slays this 4th beast and give his body to the burning flame.

The Lake of fire will not come into existence until the Lord returns.

13: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14: And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel wanted to know about the 4th beast who is dreadful and terrible.

15: I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16: I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

17: These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

18: But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

19: Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20: And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

this 4th beast along with the Horn and the other 10 horns made war with the saints, war was made unto then until the Ancient of Days came(Jesus) this is when we will see who really is a saint and who was jiving.

21: I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22: Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

another 10 kings in the latter days

24: And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

this 4th beast and its 10 horns led by a little horn will speak against the Most high(The Father) and shall wear out the saints. He is given this time.

25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

at least we know that the saints are not in heaven and all the action is taken place under the whole heaven.
on our way of learning something we know that a rapture is false and all these churches who consider themselves the saints will be made war upon by this 4th beast.

26: But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27: And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
28: Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

It the saints holdfast they will be given the kingdom that the 4th beast had at the Ancient of Days coming.

ozell

3rd March 2008, 06:33 AM

The 4th beast was Rome.

amazingly it was around when it the Lord wlaked the earth in the flesh.

more amazing it will be around when the Lord returns.

Rv 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

johnd

3rd March 2008, 06:44 AM

The Spirit of Prophecy is another way of saying the Holy Spirit.

And prophesying is simply passing on the information the Holy Spirit gives us (which given his omniscient nature sometimes involves telling the future). It's no big mystery.

Steve Petersen

3rd March 2008, 01:35 PM

It's all voodoo. Who knows if HS is speaking through someone or not? Lots of people claim He is, but how can they disagree?

As ContraMundum put it, there must be a lot of Holy Spirits out there.

johnd

3rd March 2008, 01:44 PM

It's all voodoo. Who knows if HS is speaking through someone or not? Lots of people claim He is, but how can they disagree?

As ContraMundum put it, there must be a lot of Holy Spirits out there.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Henaynei

3rd March 2008, 02:38 PM

Do you have the Spirit of Prophecy?
Rv 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.no I don't, never have and don't expect to.... why?

Henaynei

3rd March 2008, 02:40 PM

the day approaches, and now is when signs and wonders are no proof of the presence of G-d, and in fact may actually testify to the presence of the Deceiver....

Steve Petersen

3rd March 2008, 02:45 PM

the day approaches, and now is when signs and wonders are no proof of the presence of G-d, and in fact may actually testify to the presence of the Deceiver....

As per Deuteronomy 13. :cool:

johnd

3rd March 2008, 03:09 PM

johnd

3rd March 2008, 03:11 PM

Both are only messengers or messages from God.

The rest is a false mysticism bend on stealing God's glory for themselves.

Henaynei

3rd March 2008, 03:18 PM

johnd

3rd March 2008, 05:23 PM

it seems that both you and ozell make it sound like the "testimony of Yeshua" is the same as the testimony of salvation.... it is not.

How is it not?

Henaynei

3rd March 2008, 11:17 PM

it is not necessary to have the "spirit of prophesy" to be or to prove or to indicate that you are saved.

Tishri1

4th March 2008, 01:41 AM

I believe in history repeating itself, whatever happened the first time around will also happen again, maybe even more intensely next time.....

I also believe in Yeshua's words to his taught ones about the days of his returning 4 Yeshua replied: "Watch out! Don't let anyone fool you! 5 For many will come in my name, saying, `I am the Messiah!' and they will lead many astray. 6 You will hear the noise of wars nearby and the news of wars far off; see to it that you don't become frightened. Such things must happen, but the end is yet to come. 7 For peoples will fight each other, nations will fight each other, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various parts of the world; 8 all this is but the beginning of the `birth pains.' 9 At that time you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and put to death, and all peoples will hate you because of me. 10 At that time many will be trapped into betraying and hating each other, 11 many false prophets will appear and fool many people; 12 and many people's love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. 13 But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered. 14 And this Good News about the Kingdom will be announced throughout the whole world as a witness to all the Goyim. It is then that the end will come. 15 "So when you see the abomination that causes devastation spoken about through the prophet Dani'el standing in the Holy Place" (let the reader understand the allusion), 16 "that will be the time for those in Y'hudah to escape to the hills. 17 If someone is on the roof, he must not go down to gather his belongings from his house; 18 if someone is in the field, he must not turn back to get his coat. 19 What a terrible time it will be for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that you will not have to escape in winter or on Shabbat. 21 For there will be trouble then worse than there has ever been from the beginning of the world until now, and there will be nothing like it again! 22 Indeed, if the length of this time had not been limited, no one would survive; but for the sake of those who have been chosen, its length will be limited. 23 "At that time, if someone says to you, `Look! Here's the Messiah!' or, `There he is!' don't believe him. 24 For there will appear false Messiahs and false prophets performing great miracles -- amazing things! -- so as to fool even the chosen, if pos sible. 25 There! I have told you in advance! 26 So if people say to you, `Listen! He's out in the desert!' don't go; or, `Look! He's hidden away in a secret room!' don't believe it. 27 For when the Son of Man does come, it will be like lightning that flashes out of the east and fills the sky to the western horizon. 28 Wherever there's a dead body, that's where you find the vultures. 29 "But immediately following the trouble of those times, the sun will grow dark, the moon will stop shining, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in heaven will be shaken. 30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory. 31 He will send out his angels with a great shofar;m and they will gather together his chosen people from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.:clap::clap::clap:

Exciting times and terrifying times are ahead, maybe just around the corner in fact:wave:

johnd

4th March 2008, 01:47 AM

it is not necessary to have the "spirit of prophesy" to be or to prove or to indicate that you are saved.

Please do not think I am in agreement with those who try to make something mystical about this. I am saying quite the opposite. I am saying that the Spirit of Prophecy (the Holy Spirit) testifies to the authenticity and mission of Yeshua. That's it.

ozell

4th March 2008, 06:42 AM

The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.

The Spirit of Prophecy testifies of Jesus. The Spirit of Prophecy is the witness of Jesus.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

:amen:

the Spirit of Prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.

Jesus said

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mk 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

because

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

ozell

4th March 2008, 06:45 AM

no I don't, never have and don't expect to.... why?

so when the Lord says

Mt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

and he tells us to

Mk 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

because

19: For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

how will you be saved out of this time if you are not watching

ozell

4th March 2008, 06:47 AM

ozell

4th March 2008, 06:49 AM

ozell

4th March 2008, 06:52 AM

the day approaches, and now is when signs and wonders are no proof of the presence of G-d, and in fact may actually testify to the presence of the Deceiver....

Mark 13v14: But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17: But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18: And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19: For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20: And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21: And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23: But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24: But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25: And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27: And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28: Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30: Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31: Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32: But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33: Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34: For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35: Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37: And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

this is the Lord word's

It is obvious he wants us to watch for his coming and of the things that cometh on the earth

ozell

4th March 2008, 06:58 AM

Prophecy determine if you will be saved during that time.

Jesus told Ezekiel to warn the people

Ezek 33:3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

4: Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

5: He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

TRUMPETS will be blown in the last days.

Revelation and all ove rthe scriptures of truth is it written.

there is nothing mystical about prophecy. those that make it mystical is about making money and selling there agenda.

Rv 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Jesus testimony includes prophecy

2Pt 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Henaynei

4th March 2008, 08:40 AM

Please do not think I am in agreement with those who try to make something mystical about this. I am saying quite the opposite. I am saying that the Spirit of Prophecy (the Holy Spirit) testifies to the authenticity and mission of Yeshua. That's it. how will you be saved out of this time if you are not watching this is the L-rd word's

It is obvious he wants us to watch for his coming and of the things that cometh on the earthsurely we are commanded to watch, and study and know the signs ... if that is what you mean by the "spirit of prophesy" then I have no problem with that .... but not that the "spirit of prophesy" is the hallmark of salvation in the individual....;)

johnd

4th March 2008, 01:35 PM

If the way I interpret the passage is correct and the angel is only saying that the Holy Spirit's testimony is that Jesus is the Christ, then yes it is a matter of salvation.

If it is about mere mortals having some spiritual gift of prophecy, then no its not about salvation... it's a gift.

visionary

4th March 2008, 01:41 PM

ozell

5th March 2008, 12:57 PM

I see it as more to do with the command in Revelation to "come hither" and Yeshua will then sup with you and show you all things.

Re 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Re 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Re 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Re 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Yes Vis, Henaynei, John

It about understanding what going to happen before it happens and removing yourself from harms way.

Its about knowing when certain events happen you know by prophecy what will happen next, even without your bible in hand.

actually because you understand the prophecies of the Lord
you can deliver yourself from punishment or afflictions that cometh upon the earth and as some of you know I don't mean a rapture.

John as far as prophecy being a gift it is as yuo have stated, but the prophecy I refer to it strictly from the Word of God.

I could care less about some man's vision.
I only speak of God's future event written between the pages of Genesis and Revelation.

none else.

Tishri1

5th March 2008, 01:20 PM

Those verses sound like they are describing a festival to me:):clap:I see it as more to do with the command in Revelation to "come hither" and Yeshua will then sup with you and show you all things.

Re 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Re 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Re 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Re 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Lulav

5th March 2008, 03:23 PM

so when the Lord says

Mt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

and he tells us to

Mk 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

because

19: For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

how will you be saved out of this time if you are not watching You seem to have no problem mixing and matching verses out of context to make up your own understanding or that of other Christian teachers to fit their end time rapture theory do you? You mix verses from two different chapters to make your case but is that what is true? :|

I've seen this before, readers beware.

Lulav

5th March 2008, 03:32 PM

Yes Vis, Henaynei, John

It about understanding what going to happen before it happens and removing yourself from harms way.

Its about knowing when certain events happen you know by prophecy what will happen next, even without your bible in hand.

actually because you understand the prophecies of the Lord
you can deliver yourself from punishment or afflictions that cometh upon the earth and as some of you know I don't mean a rapture.

John as far as prophecy being a gift it is as yuo have stated, but the prophecy I refer to it strictly from the Word of God.

I could care less about some man's vision.
I only speak of God's future event written between the pages of Genesis and Revelation.

none else.

This goes against every example in the Word of G-d.

Noah did not save himself. G-d instructed him to build an ark and shut him and his family in it. G-d saved Noah and family.

Lot did not save himself, G-d sent angels in to bring him out before destroying the cities of the plains. G-d saved Lot and his two daughters ( and wife but she disobeyed).

We can't save ourselves, but we can be obedient. We are called to be obedient to the L-RD, not save ourselves.

ozell

5th March 2008, 04:52 PM

You seem to have no problem mixing and matching verses out of context to make up your own understanding or that of other Christian teachers to fit their end time rapture theory do you? You mix verses from two different chapters to make your case but is that what is true? :|

I've seen this before, readers beware.

I have to respectfully disagree with you Lulav.

there is nothing taken out of context here.

It is really impossible to put all the verse, so I go directly to the point. I believe those that are trully interested will read the entire verses themselves.

the verse I put have to do with prophecy.
In those verse the Lord said watch and pray.

The Lord also had it written on how to study his word
in the old and new book.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13: But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

why is this?

and The Lord had written

2Tm 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You warn the people which is your right. You UNDER ESTIMATE the people understanding.

I end this by saying if you don't understand something
ASK.

I'm not here to change minds or ask anyone to join a cause, I'm here to fellowship only, no other reason.

the one's who understand and care about what I post they are supportive.

I see plainly that you are not.:)

but the truth of the matter is we are trying to be servant of God.

it takes time and work.:thumbsup:

ozell

5th March 2008, 05:01 PM

This goes against every example in the Word of G-d.

Noah did not save himself. G-d instructed him to build an ark and shut him and his family in it. G-d saved Noah and family.

Lot did not save himself, G-d sent angels in to bring him out before destroying the cities of the plains. G-d saved Lot and his two daughters ( and wife but she disobeyed).

We can't save ourselves, but we can be obedient. We are called to be obedient to the L-RD, not save ourselves.

hey Lulav

what if Noah had not obeyed and built the ark, what would have happened?

Did the Lord save Lot because of Lot or Abraham?

what about this?

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

again the Lord said

Ezekiel14v12: The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
13: Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
14: Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

15: If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:

16: Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.

17: Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:

18: Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.

19: Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:

20: Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

it's many verse in the Word of God that support delivering yourself from wrath

deliverance and salvation is the same.

the salvation you refer is another topic for another time.

ozell

5th March 2008, 05:06 PM

unless the Word of God is read and understood, How could we understand what is meant by

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

who is the abomination of desolation?

what and where is this holy place?

why did Daniel speak of him?

where in the book of Daniel speak of him?

Jesus warned us about false prophets and particularly the Abomination of Desolation.

Not me!!

visionary

5th March 2008, 10:29 PM

ozell

6th March 2008, 03:57 PM

Abominations... The bible has many things listed as abominations, which one do you think is the one that cause desolation.

This desolation, do you see it as local, regional, spiritual or physcial or a mixture of both... any scriptures to back your beliefs on the subject.

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

we know by this ans other verses it will be a individual

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

we know that he will cause Great tribulations the world has never seen.

22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

we know that there must be something that can destroy all flesh. This prophecy came into play during WW2 when nuclear weapons was introduced.

ozell

6th March 2008, 04:06 PM

Daniel said this concerning the AoD. He introduce us to this littlehorn, AoD, or beast and his ordanizations

Dan7v

7: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8: I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10: A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11: I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12: As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

19: Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20: And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21: I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22: Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24: And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26: But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27: And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Notice that he is spoken of in Daniel time, but he is around beyond us which is when Jesus return.

ozell

6th March 2008, 04:12 PM

Gabrieil comes to show Daniel the end times

Dan8v

16: And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17: So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

18: Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.

19: And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

the Lord has a time for all things to take place,
thishere is something to remember

20: The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

21: And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22: Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23: And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

this man will be a king doing some type of craft, maybe witch craft

24: And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own
power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

notice as we read in Daniel7, he will destroy the holy people.

25: And through his policy also he shall cause craft to
prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

This person is around when the Lord comes and will be taken down by the Lord.

26: And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

27: And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

ozell

6th March 2008, 04:20 PM

Daniel speaks of the AoD in the 11 chapter

put this with Matthew24v15

Dan11v

31: And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

this is a very important verse for now you have a army on this AoD side and they will help him take away the sacrifices that willbe started in that day.

32: And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

33: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

again the holy people or saints are being killed by this person

34: Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35: And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36: And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be
accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37: Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38: But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39: Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40: And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41: He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

JERSUALEM! is the glorious land

42: He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43: But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44: But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45: And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

what is the glorious mountain? JERSUALEM!

Look who is there before the Lord comes.

Remember Jesus said spoken of by Daniel.

John spoke of him also as did Paul

ozell

8th March 2008, 07:01 PM

Rev13v

1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2: And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

He has the power of the dragon which is satan.

3: And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4: And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

John lets us know the same thing Daniel wrote

5: And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

notice how this beast is making war against the saints
as is written in Daniel

7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

ozell

8th March 2008, 07:10 PM

Here comes the AoD. Remeber he is placed in the temple
by armies. He takes away animal sacrifice. He starts aby talking peace.

Rev6v1-17

1: And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

white horse represent righteousness, but he also goeth forth conquering

2: And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3: And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4: And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

conquering people will lead to war

5: And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6: And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

when war is upon a land there is not time for growing food, no the dividing of food to the people occurs

7: And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8: And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

famine and pestilence are the results of war

9: And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

death

10: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11: And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

12: And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13: And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14: And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15: And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16: And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?