Did Yeshua ever refer to Himself as the Son of God?

[visionary]

It's unlikely that Yeshua ever referred to himself as "Son of God". First, because he followed the accepted practice of Jews in those days who did not speak the name of God, or use common pronouns referring to Him.

Why? By that time, the interpretation of the commandment "You shall not take the name of YHVH your God in vain..." was understood to mean one should not mention the Name casually in conversation. Earlier the commandment had been taken to mean "Do not make a vow in the name of YHVH, and then fail to fulfil that vow."

[ozell]

It's unlikely that Yeshua ever referred to himself as "Son of God". First, because he followed the accepted practice of Jews in those days who did not speak the name of God, or use common pronouns referring to Him.

Why? By that time, the interpretation of the commandment "You shall not take the name of YHVH your God in vain..." was understood to mean one should not mention the Name casually in conversation. Earlier the commandment had been taken to mean "Do not make a vow in the name of YHVH, and then fail to fulfil that vow."


Jesus called himself the Son of Man while he walked in the flesh.

when Jesus died and resurrected this is when he trully became the Son of God.


Jn 20:1: The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2: Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3: Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4: So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5: And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
8: Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9: For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
19: Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
24: But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
26: And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27: Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God



The Father is a spirit and his kind must be spirit.

Jn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

man is flesh

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.


The Lord spoke of himself as the son of man

Mt 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

because he was in the flesh like man.

Phil 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

[visionary]

Jesus called himself the Son of Man while he walked in the flesh.

when Jesus died and resurrected this is when he trully became the Son of God.His Heavenly Father said long before He was resurrected that " This is my Son...listen to Him"

[ozell]

His Heavenly Father said long before He was resurrected that " This is my Son...listen to Him"


you asked


Did Yeshua ever refer to Himself as the Son of God?


no

[visionary]

Don't you find that interesting? Why not?

[ozell]

Don't you find that interesting? Why not?

Yes Its all interesting,

but we know the whole story from Genesis to Revelation.

We understand what David wrote.

we know that the God who became the Father and the God who took on the role of the son had a plan.

This is Jesus speaking by the mouth of David

Ps55v
1: Give ear to my prayer, O God; and hide not thyself from my supplication.
2: Attend unto me, and hear me: I mourn in my complaint, and make a noise;
3: Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.
4: My heart is sore pained within me: and the terrors of death are fallen upon me.
5: Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me.
6: And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
7: Lo, then would I wander far off, and remain in the wilderness. Selah.
8: I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest.
9: Destroy, O Lord, and divide their tongues: for I have seen violence and strife in the city.
10: Day and night they go about it upon the walls thereof: mischief also and sorrow are in the midst of it.
11: Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets.
12: For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13: But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14: We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.
15: Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
16: As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
17: Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
18: He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me


Phil 2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

we are not after God's kind and Jesus knows this for he told us this in Genesis.

Jesus made everything after its kind

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

man was made in the image and likeness of God, but not after God's kind.

26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God

[A_Pioneer]

Jn. 10:36 Yes he did!!!!!

Without a doubt!!!

Shalom

[johnd]

Jn. 10:36 Yes he did!!!!!

Without a doubt!!!

Shalom

:thumbsup:

[johnd]

One's own testimony of self was not as weighty as the testimony of others. Even so Jesus pointed out that even if he was his own witness it would still be valid. But he rarely said "I am the Messiah" (John 4) "the Son of God" (John 10) but instead showed himself to be both by the miracles he did, his sinlessness, his knowledge, and ultimately his sacrifice and resurrection from the dead.

Weightiest of all testimonies is that of the Father:

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

[Lulav]

He says it plainly with his relationship with others.

Also he did not correct Peter when he proclaimed him to be the Messiah, the Son of the living G-d , instead he told him that he received that revelation from his Father.

It seems that those most concerned with him being the son of G-d are Satan and the demons.

See the 'temptation in the wilderness where HaSatan calls him 'Son of G-d' twice, because he knows, and the demons in Gergesenes, also addressed him as such.

Those chief priests at the cross said he said it as they mocked him.

Demons fell down before him worshipped saying Thou art the son of G-d. And he warned them to not make him known.

Luke 22:71 from his own mouth

Does he not undisputely say this in John 3:16? or 3:18? Or John chapter 5: 21, -25?

Or how about 9:36 Yeshua asked the man, Do you believe in the Son of G-d? and he answered him, who is he, L-RD that I might believe on him? Yeshua said, you have both seen him and it is he that is talking to you.

When Lazarus took sick, he told them that it was not a sickness unto death, but so the Son of G-d might be glorified. John 11:4

And his last prayer recorded in the gospel of John is very plain to this effect.

[Lulav]

It's unlikely that Yeshua ever referred to himself as "Son of God". First, because he followed the accepted practice of Jews in those days who did not speak the name of God, or use common pronouns referring to Him.

Why? By that time, the interpretation of the commandment "You shall not take the name of YHVH your God in vain..." was understood to mean one should not mention the Name casually in conversation. Earlier the commandment had been taken to mean "Do not make a vow in the name of YHVH, and then fail to fulfil that vow." Do you think that Yeshua interpreted the commandments the same way men did? He wrote them. :)

[visionary]

He was a controversal man, by being in reality God in the flesh... and thus to continue with His purpose, it is best not to stir up side issues that will detract from His purpose. When at all possible be at peace with all men.

[Lulav]

He was a controversal man, by being in reality God in the flesh... and thus to continue with His purpose, it is best not to stir up side issues that will detract from His purpose. When at all possible be at peace with all men. For sure he was controversial, still is today! :) But I don't understand what you mean by a side issue, you think that him being the son of G-d was a side issue? :scratch:

[français]

This is a good question!

In the Synoptic Gospels, no, he does not ever call himself the Son of God. Others did, but he never did. I believe he said "Be Baptized in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" in Matthew, but that was the only time he even mentioned himself as the Son of God in the Synoptic Gospels.

John is a different story. I believe he calls himself the Son of God 3 times, if my memory serves correctly.

Jesus mainly calls himself the Son of Man though. It is only the Epistles that really emphasize the Son of God, which is why most Christians emphasize the Son of God a lot.

[visionary]

The devil tried to put doubt into the idea.

Mt 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mt 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

But at no time did I find Yeshua declaring Himself to be the Son of God,... Son of Man ... yea...being as humble as He is, the closest you can come to it is when He was questioned... and even then all He said was that "You said it"...

Lu 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

[Lulav]

What about these?
Luke 22:71 from his own mouth

Does he not undisputely say this in John 3:16? or 3:18? Or John chapter 5: 21, -25?

Or how about John 9:36 Yeshua asked the man," Do you believe in the Son of G-d? and he answered him, who is he, L-RD that I might believe on him? Yeshua said, you have both seen him and it is he that is talking to you.

When Lazarus took sick, he told them that it was not a sickness unto death, but so the Son of G-d might be glorified. John 11:4

[ozell]

Jn. 10:36 Yes he did!!!!!

Without a doubt!!!

Shalom


There are different types of son's of God in the bible.

look at the verse and what was said.

The people said being a man, making thyself God.

and Jesus said it is written in the law.

we have to find where it is written.
Jn10v

33: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?


This is what Jesus quoted.
Ps82v
1: God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2: How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3: Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4: Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5: They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6: I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7: But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8: Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.


These god's that are judging unfairly will die like men.
these are men who are children of the Most High being called god's by GOD.

now lets take a look at a couple of sons of God

Job1v1-8
6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


here is another

Luke3v23-38

38: Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.


the God angels are called the son's of God
and the righteous men of God are called his son's

now when Jesus spoke in John 10v36

He spoke in reference to Ps82

[visionary]

What about these?
Luke 22:71 from his own mouth

Does he not undisputely say this in John 3:16? or 3:18? Or John chapter 5: 21, -25?

Or how about John 9:36 Yeshua asked the man," Do you believe in the Son of G-d? and he answered him, who is he, L-RD that I might believe on him? Yeshua said, you have both seen him and it is he that is talking to you.

When Lazarus took sick, he told them that it was not a sickness unto death, but so the Son of G-d might be glorified. John 11:4We have a winner... That is a great verse.

[Lulav]

I posted those and more in post 10 :)

[ozell]

He says it plainly with his relationship with others.

Also he did not correct Peter when he proclaimed him to be the Messiah, the Son of the living G-d , instead he told him that he received that revelation from his Father.

It seems that those most concerned with him being the son of G-d are Satan and the demons.

See the 'temptation in the wilderness where HaSatan calls him 'Son of G-d' twice, because he knows, and the demons in Gergesenes, also addressed him as such.

Those chief priests at the cross said he said it as they mocked him.

Demons fell down before him worshipped saying Thou art the son of G-d. And he warned them to not make him known.

Luke 22:71 from his own mouth

Does he not undisputely say this in John 3:16? or 3:18? Or John chapter 5: 21, -25?

Or how about 9:36 Yeshua asked the man, Do you believe in the Son of G-d? and he answered him, who is he, L-RD that I might believe on him? Yeshua said, you have both seen him and it is he that is talking to you.

When Lazarus took sick, he told them that it was not a sickness unto death, but so the Son of G-d might be glorified. John 11:4

And his last prayer recorded in the gospel of John is very plain to this effect.

In the verse you provided Jesus did not call himself the Son of God.

In John9v35-37

Jesus asked a question
Jesus told them that they have seen the Son of God
and it was he that talked with them.

37: And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.


the question

Did Yeshua ever refer to himself as the Son of God?

NO.

[français]

In the verse you provided Jesus did not call himself the Son of God.

In John9v35-37

Jesus asked a question
Jesus told them that they have seen the Son of God
and it was he that talked with them.

37: And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.


the question

Did Yeshua ever refer to himself as the Son of God?

NO.
Lol you sound like a Muslim, as they hold those views. Perhaps you should look into Islam!

[A_Pioneer]

?????? "No." Then why did he say; because I say 'I am the son of God'? Jn. 10:36 Who's mouth did this come from? My red letter says Yeshua. ????
And it was said of him; "for he said 'I am the son of God'." Mt. 27:43 ????????

I'm not really asking, because he is not the author of confusion! Man and his father is! Yeshua spoke on this also.

Shalom

Shalom

[ozell]

Lol you sound like a Muslim, as they hold those views. Perhaps you should look into Islam!

I don't know what a muslim sound like, what ever that suppose to mean. ;)

I am a Israelite so there is no need for me to look into Islam.:cool:

bless you for your insight into the question.

[ozell]

?????? "No." Then why did he say; because I say 'I am the son of God'? Jn. 10:36 Who's mouth did this come from? My red letter says Yeshua. ????
And it was said of him; "for he said 'I am the son of God'." Mt. 27:43 ????????

I'm not really asking, because he is not the author of confusion! Man and his father is! Yeshua spoke on this also.

Shalom

Shalom


It's no confusion

I understand and I agree with you that Jesus is God and the son of God.

BUT

the question was asked did Yeshua ever refer to himself as the son of God.

I know he is God and the Son of God

I say no because when he was in the flesh he referred to himself as the son of man.

Spiritually he was and this we understand because we walk iin the spirit and not in the flesh

but when did Jesus in the truest form become the Son of God.

at his resurrection when he took off the flesh and put on the spirit.

In Matth27v41: Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
42: He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
43: He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

these people say that Jesus said that he is the Son of God.

this is not Jesus talking himself.


A_Pioneer;44301619]?????? "No." Then why did he say; because I say 'I am the son of God'? Jn. 10:36


JN10v31: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32: Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34: Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

in the Law(OT) the Lord called men gods.

this let me know there is more to this statement in John and in the law.

again ther eis no confusion we are on the same page but I am responding to the question that was asked.

I used to ask myself why did the Lord call himself the son of man when he is the son of God.

again that is why I said there are types of sons of God in the bible.

no confusion between us.

ozell

[A_Pioneer]

Those words came from the mouth of Yeshua!
But, you said No! He did not ever say he was the son of God.
Because I say "I am the son of God."(Yeshua speaking)

If you are amending your statement, then there would be no confusion.

Shalom

[Lulav]

In the verse you provided Jesus did not call himself the Son of God.

In John9v35-37

Jesus asked a question
Jesus told them that they have seen the Son of God
and it was he that talked with them.

37: And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.


the question

Did Yeshua ever refer to himself as the Son of God?

NO.

Conversation between a man and woman who meet at a company party buffet table:

man: Hi, how are you?
woman:fine, and you?
man: Good. Nice party huh?
woman: Yes the company gives a nice one
man: do you know many people here?
woman:no, this is my first time,
man: I've been to them all since working here
woman: So you know all the other men's wives?
man: Yes, pretty much, although I've yet to met the wife of one of the newer guys, Don, I hear she's quite an extraordinary gal, chef, artist, teacher, financial advisor , all kinds of things
woman:*laughs*
man: Don's with the big wigs right now so I can't ask him, trying to find someone that knows her to introduce us.
woman: *smiles* well, you have both met her and are speaking with her now.
Man: so you're the one! :laughs:


Now. Could this be used as evidence in a court of law that this woman has admitted to being Don's wife?

Just because of the odd construction of the sentence does not mean she hasn't, nor that Yeshua hadn't been admitting he was the son of G-d.

What he said was to say he was the Son of G-d in the most humble way possible, because that is what he was, humble. He even said he came in the name of the Father, and they wouldn't listen to him but one who came in his own name, they would listen to him. When you come humbly and lowly as he did and emphasized with his ride into Jerusalem, you aren't given that must credence or attention, but one who thinks himself great, men seem to admire.

Remember there was nothing in him that should make us want him, he had no beauty that we should desire him, as it should be, we should not be fooled. He presented himself that way for a reason, read Isaiah 53.

[visionary]

Conversation between a man and woman who meet at a company party buffet table:

man: Hi, how are you?
woman:fine, and you?
man: Good. Nice party huh?
woman: Yes the company gives a nice one
man: do you know many people here?
woman:no, this is my first time,
man: I've been to them all since working here
woman: So you know all the other men's wives?
man: Yes, pretty much, although I've yet to met the wife of one of the newer guys, Don, I hear she's quite an extraordinary gal, chef, artist, teacher, financial advisor , all kinds of things
woman:*laughs*
man: Don's with the big wigs right now so I can't ask him, trying to find someone that knows her to introduce us.
woman: *smiles* well, you have both met her and are speaking with her now.
Man: so you're the one! :laughs:


Now. Could this be used as evidence in a court of law that this woman has admitted to being Don's wife?

Just because of the odd construction of the sentence does not mean she hasn't, nor that Yeshua hadn't been admitting he was the son of G-d.

What he said was to say he was the Son of G-d in the most humble way possible, because that is what he was, humble. He even said he came in the name of the Father, and they wouldn't listen to him but one who came in his own name, they would listen to him. When you come humbly and lowly as he did and emphasized with his ride into Jerusalem, you aren't given that must credence or attention, but one who thinks himself great, men seem to admire.

Remember there was nothing in him that should make us want him, he had no beauty that we should desire him, as it should be, we should not be fooled. He presented himself that way for a reason, read Isaiah 53.Most excellent illustration:thumbsup: