Petition for Kosovo.....

[Philothei]

Due to time sensitivity, the appeal has already been sent to the Greek government. However, I request you to send your own message -- and ask other people, esp Greeks -- to Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis. Feel free to compose your own message or use the suggest text below.

Here is her email:

dorabakoyannis@mfa.gr (http://us.f578.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=dorabakoyannis@mfa.gr)

Dear Madam Foreign Minister:

I wish to associate myself with the OPEN APPEAL TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE HELLENIC REPUBLIC regarding Kosovo. Greece must say OXI (NO) to recognition of this illegal, separatist, and criminal entity.

(Your Name)
Affiliation, if any
City, state




I think that this is worthwhile ... for what it is worth...:thumbsup:


Philothei:crosseo:

[Adammi]

If you don't mind my asking, why do you so ardently oppose the independence of Kosovo?

[Philothei]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=44070942#post44070942

You can go to this thread and read....

There is also another one... somewhere maybe someone else can find it for you.

[Philothei]

And BTW the creation of such a nation sets a bad paradigm for all of Europe and the world. Since every minority will be entittled to 'create' their own nation...

It is called "self determination" or the people... like New Mexico deciding to be an independent nation.....

[nestoj]

Try this one too:

http://christianforums.com/t6889125-kosovo-declears-independance.html

God helps

[Thekla]

thank-you for posting this, Philothei :)

[ArnautDaniel]

Greece is going to do what the European Union tells them to do.

What is the point of this?

[Dorothea]

Thanks, Philothei. :)

[Philothei]

Greece as yet is undecided on the matter as most countries are ... I had a link to as how many countries are for, against and neutral.. .I think I posted in one of the Kosovo threads when I find it I will post it.

[buzuxi02]

Will sending an email to Dora actually accomplish anything? Does she on behalf of the greek government care what we have to say or will all these emails be deleted?

I dont want to give her a quick history lesson, demonstrate the dangers to Greece such a precedent will have (If i remember correctly about 8 years back an unnamed group took out a full page ad in the New York Times claiming the Thracian turks of Greece will soon secede when their numbers overtake the greeks.) Will an email by someone not important even be read. I dont want to bring up Northern Epirus and the suggestion that Greece can only recognize Kosovo independance if those same Albanians who support kosovar albanians, give up Northern Epirus to Greece. If they dont (which they wont) simply makes them hippocrites and thus in return Greece cannot support the break up of Serbia.
Will she listen, or will she demonstrate that Greece gave up their sovereinty to Brussels?

[Philothei]

She will finish off what her dad did...He is the one responsible for the compound name of Macedonia... he is the one to give in to the Macedonian name... you know that.. like father like daughter.. We would have better to go with Abramopoulos for Minister of foreign affairs... but ... you know Kostaki was in a taugh spot.. for support.

Anyhow I want to 'bug' her since the GA voters are costly to the Govn't for what is worth... I will give it a shot... It is good for them to know we are not in deep sleep.... and we are watching them....

The more emails she gets the merrier IMO...hehehe

When I think of her it always comes to my mind the song "Dora, Dora Dora the explorer" for some reason....hehehe....

[photis]

Dear Friends:

As explained in the following Appeal to the Greek government, there are disturbing indications that Athens -- one of the EU countires that has so far refused to bow to State Department pressure to recognize the illegal separatist declaration of independence by the Albanian Muslims in Kosovo -- may be about to reverse that course. This would terribly undermine the other countries, especially Cyprus, that have categorically said OXI to that illegal action.
This appeal from Americans of Greek descent and American Philhellenes, addressed to Prime Minister Karamanlis, Foreign Minister Bakoyannis, and Ambassador to the U.S. Mallias, insists that the government in Athens make it clear that Greece will not change its position on Kosovo. The appeal points out the devastating consequences this would have on Greek and Cypriot security and the rule of law.

This needs to go out as soon as possible. There is every reason to believe that Greek officials may be working to weaken the resolve of their counterparts in Spain, Romanian, etc. We need to raise the outcry now. The appeal is dated February 21 and will be sent out by 10 AM Eastern Standard time. It will also be released to Greek, American, and international media.
If you wish to sign on, please email me your name, affiliation (if any, including local chapter position in any organization), and city and state, as follows:

(your name)
President, Such-and-such organization
City, State
Or if no affiliation:
(your name)
City, State

Please email me as soon as possible at jjatras@ssd.com (jjatras@ssd.com) to add your name!
Thank you for your support!
Jim Jatras
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Open Appeal to the Government of the Hellenic Republic

February 21, 2008
Prime Minister Konstandinos Karamanlis
Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis
Ambassador Alexandros Mallias

Your Excellencies:

We the undersigned Hellenes and Philhellenes in America address ourselves to you with respect to the policy of the Hellenic Republic towards the illegal separatist movement by Albanian Muslims in the Serbian province of Kosovo.
Until recently, the Greek government has been clear: Greece would not recognize any unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence, which would violate all accepted standards of international law and set the stage for further threats to the safety of Orthodox Christian Serbs in that province.

However, on February 18 the Ministry of Foreign Affairs released a highly disturbing statement reading in part:
“Greece has always believed and continues to believe that the best solutions to differences and problems arise from mutually acceptable arrangements. From dialogue and negotiations. Not from unilateral actions and accomplished facts. This position, founded on respect for the principle of the peaceful resolution of differences, also determined our policy on the Kosovo issue. Yesterday’s decisions in Pristina undoubtedly shaped a new reality in the particularly sensitive region of the Western Balkans. . . .

As regards the issue of recognition of the new state of affairs – which can in no way serve as a precedent – Greece will take its decisions at a coming stage, when it has examined all of the developments in depth; all of the dimensions and consequences these developments have for regional security and Greece’s interests.”
There is no way to read these words without concluding that the Greek government believes that its earlier support for solutions based on dialogue and negotiations has been overtaken by the “new reality” of the Kosovo Albanians’ illegal declaration on February 17. The phrases “recognition of the new state of affairs” and “Greece will take its decision at a coming stage” can mean only that Greece is considering reversing its previous position and may recognize the illicit, separatist administration in Pristina.

Your Excellencies, with all due respect, as Americans and as Greeks we insist in the strongest possible terms that Greece must not depart from its previously defined position and must state categorically and unalterably that it will not now, or at any time in the future, grant recognition to Kosovo or support any settlement of the Kosovo question imposed on Serbia. Contrary to the language of the February 18 Foreign Ministry statement, dialogue and negotiations within the rule of law are not the “best” solutions to differences and problems, they are the only acceptable solutions. Recognition of the separatist Albanian regime in Kosovo would mean precisely acceptance of an imposed settlement based on “unilateral actions and accomplished facts.” The declaration in Pristina on February 17 and its recognition by some countries, including the United States and certain members of the European Union, created no “new reality” or “new state of affairs,” only the anticipated illegal action by the Kosovo Albanian separatists encouraged by Washington. And of course, despite any soothing suggestion to the contrary, recognition of Kosovo’s separation from Serbia without an agreed settlement would establish a precedent with a profoundly destabilizing impact in many regions in the world, not least in areas directly affecting Greece and Cyprus.

A reversal of Greece’s position and recognition of Kosovo’s separation from Serbia would undermine the courageous and principled stand of Cyprus, Spain, and the other EU countries that have refused to recognize Kosovo despite heavy pressure from Washington and from certain EU capitals.

A reversal of Greece’s position and recognition of Kosovo’s separation from Serbia would inflict a devastating wound on the principal of the territorial integrity of sovereign states under the UN Charter, the Helsinki Final Act, and other binding commitments. This would be very harmful to Greece in the face of ongoing threats including Albanian irredentism in southern Epiros (“Çameria”), suggestions from Turkey that the 1947 return of the Dodecanese Islands to Greece was invalid, and nascent separatism of Muslims in Thraki.

A reversal of Greece’s position and recognition of Kosovo’s separation from Serbia would weaken the security of Greece’s sister republic, Cyprus, by validating the principle that outside powers may dictate the amputation of a state’s sovereign territory. Such claims have already been made by supporters of the so-called “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” and would increase in intensity if a Kosovo pseudo-state were consolidated on Serbian soil.

A reversal of Greece’s position and recognition of Kosovo’s separation from Serbia would heighten the threat to the lives and safety of the remaining Orthodox Christian Serbs in Kosovo, two-thirds of whom already have been driven from their homes and prevented from returning. Despite further empty promises from the international community, they could count on no protection in any independent Kosovo. The remainder of their churches and monasteries would face destruction or desecration.

A reversal of Greece’s position and recognition of Kosovo’s separation from Serbia would help add a new link to the “Green Transversal” project of Islamic strategic advance into Europe from European Turkey, along the heavily Muslim Greece-Bulgaria border, into an unstable FYROM, and on to Kosovo, Sandjak, and Bosnia. Creation of another new Muslim state to Greece’s north would give impetus to what has been called a re-Ottomanization of the Balkans.

The risk of these consequences cannot be justified by superficial political considerations. Why should Greece adjust its policies to its own detriment because the U.S. State Department demands it? Why should Greece bow to the will of the “big” countries of the EU when there is no common policy and every member country, big or small, has a right to its own opinion and the safeguarding of its own interests? Why should Greece be tricked into taking an action harmful to its interests because someone, somewhere may have falsely hinted to Greece some flexibility on the FYROM name issue?

We should remember that in 1941, when Hitler demanded passage south to attack Greece, which was then soundly defeating his collaborator Mussolini, the Serbs said No, we will not betray our ally. They could have said Yes to Hitler, but they refused. Their refusal cost them a million lives.

Today, no one is demanding a million Greek lives, or even one, in support of Serbia. But for her own security and that of Cyprus no less than Serbia’s, Greece must say OXI to the demand to ignore the rule of law, ignore the command of conscience, and ignore the mortal danger to our Orthodox Christian brothers and sisters in Kosovo.

Again, with all due respect, we insist that the government of the Hellenic Republic must state categorically and unalterably that it will not now, or at any time in the future, grant recognition to Kosovo or support any settlement of the Kosovo question imposed on Serbia. We await your prompt, definitive, and public action on this matter.

[photis]

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'Independent' Kosovo: A threat, not a country

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Posted: February 20, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008

By James George Jatras

Abraham Lincoln was fond of asking the rhetorical question: "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Five? No, calling a tail a leg don't make it a leg."

That pretty much sums up the recent unilateral declaration of independence by Albanian Muslims in the Serbian province of Kosovo. Several countries, disgracefully led by the United States, have recognized Kosovo. Major media have hailed creation of the "world's newest country." But calling Kosovo a country doesn't make it one.

Serbia has denounced the move as the illegal creation of a "separatist entity" on its sovereign territory and has handed down criminal indictments against several of the top Albanian Muslim leaders. Now under way is a sharp global competition to see which governments will recognize Kosovo and which will not. Under heavy pressure from the U.S. State Department, most European countries will meekly comply. Some, like Cyprus with its Turkish-occupied north and Spain with its Basque separatist movement, will not.

In short, an action State Department bureaucrats touted as "settling Kosovo's status" has resulted in anything but. Outside of Europe, the picture is even fuzzier. Russia will reject Kosovo's independence, and expected to take the same line are China, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, South Africa, Brazil and many others. Russia will veto any effort to extend Kosovo membership in the United Nations.

Any sovereign state with restive ethnic or religious minorities would recognize Kosovo at its own peril. What Washington seeks to inflict on Serbia today could be the fate of the American southwest tomorrow. Israel, in particular, is closely pondering its next move. While loath to anger Washington, Jerusalem must consider that a Kosovo precedent could, absent any negotiated agreement, prompt proclamation of a Palestinian state, to be recognized by Arab and Muslim regimes. The same precedent could apply to heavily Muslim areas such as Galilee and the Negev within Israel's formal borders.




At a special press briefing, outgoing Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns – who is often mentioned as a possible secretary of state under a Democratic administration – hailed support for Kosovo from the Organization of the Islamic Conference and Muslim governments. Happily claiming that a "vastly majority Muslim state" has been carved out of Serbia, a European Christian country, Burns said: "We think it is a very positive step that this Muslim state, Muslim majority state, has been created today."

Burns' remarks reflect a desperate hope by the Bush administration that displays of American pro-Islamic favoritism in the Balkans and support for a Palestinian state (its domination by Hamas notwithstanding) will buy the good will of hostile devotees of the "religion of peace and tolerance." Their gratitude is manifest in the jihad terror plot to attack Fort Dix, N.J., where four of the six defendants are Albanian Muslims from the Kosovo region. The offenders' presence in the United States – three of them illegal aliens and one brought to the U.S. by the Clinton administration as a refugee, another example of "gratitude" – stems from the fact that a broadly based support network for the terrorist "Kosovo Liberation Army," KLA, has been allowed to operate with impunity in the New York-New Jersey-Pennsylvania area, raising funds and collecting weapons, not to mention peddling influence with American politicians.

Meanwhile, Christian Serbs in Kosovo are bracing for the worst. "We are all expecting something difficult and horrible," said Bishop Artemije, pastor of Kosovo's Orthodox Christians. "Our message to you, all Serbs in Kosovo, is to remain in your homes and around your monasteries, regardless of what God allows or our enemies do."

The bishop's flock has good reason to fear. Far from the usual claims that NATO stopped a humanitarian catastrophe in Kosovo in 1999, the past nine years have seen a slow-motion genocide in progress against the province's Christian Serbian population under the nose of the U.N. and NATO, and at times with their facilitation. Two-thirds of the Serbian population already has been expelled and have not been able to return safely to their homes, along with similar proportions of other groups (Roma, Gorani, Croats and all the Jews). Over 150 churches and monasteries have been destroyed, with crosses and icons of Christ attracting particular vandalistic rage, a testament to Kosovo Albanians' supposed secularism and pro-Western orientation.

Hundreds of new Saudi-funded mosques fomenting the extreme Wahhabi doctrine have sprung up. Kosovo is visibly morphing from part of Europe into part of the Middle East. In contrast to Under Secretary Burns' cheerleading, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton has warned: "Kosovo will be a weak state susceptible to radical Islamist influence from outside the region, with the support from some Albanians, in other words, a potential gate for radicalism to enter Europe." If allowed to consolidate, an independent Kosovo would become a way station toward an anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Christian "Eurabia."

Around the world, jihad terror usually goes hand-in-hand with organized crime. Kosovo is the perfect case in point. The supposed authorities of the would-be state are themselves kingpins in the Albanians Mafia, whose network extends throughout Europe and has a significant presence in New York City. Besides all the international aid dumped down the Kosovo rat hole, or carted off by corrupt officials, the only real "industry" is crime: drugs (heroin from Afghan opium), slaves (kidnapped women and children from Moldova, Ukraine and other countries brought in for local "service" – there are lot of lonely international bureaucrats in Kosovo – or shipped off into Europe), and weapons (the missile that hit the U.S. Embassy in Athens in 2006 and the explosives used in the London and Madrid train bombings came through Kosovo).

What will happen now in Kosovo? It would be up to the KLA and their supporters to decide whether to kick off a new cycle of violence by attacking Serbs who refuse to submit to their "authority." Serbia in fact has been beefing up its legitimate state institutions in areas where Serbs are concentrated, which the Albanians have threatened to shut down as – believe it or not – illegal separatist structures. We will see if the political violence unleashed by the act of recognition will be matched by physical violence on the ground. Meanwhile, Serbia will undertake undisclosed countermeasures to undermine the illegally declared KLA- and Mafia-ruled entity and force resumption of negotiations to achieve a valid settlement. Let us hope they succeed.

With a stoke of his pen, President Bush, by heeding the State Department's bad advice to recognize a supposedly independent Kosovo, has triggered the perfect international storm: shattering the principle of the territorial integrity of sovereign nations, encouraging violent separatists worldwide, provoking a needless confrontation with Russia and other countries, boosting the jihad terrorist and organized crime threat to Europe and America, and creating conditions for a human rights and religious freedom nightmare. In terms of far-reaching consequences, it may the worst blunder of his presidency. Which is saying a lot.


James George Jatras is director of the American Council for Kosovo, publisher of "Hiding Genocide in Kosovo: A Crime against God and Humanity" by Iseult Henry, a current member of the international mission in Kosovo. Jatras previously served as a policy analyst for the U.S. Senate Republican leadership and as a U.S. Foreign Service Officer.

[photis]

She will finish off what her dad did...He is the one responsible for the compound name of Macedonia... he is the one to give in to the Macedonian name... you know that.. like father like daughter.. We would have better to go with Abramopoulos for Minister of foreign affairs... but ... you know Kostaki was in a taugh spot.. for support.

Anyhow I want to 'bug' her since the GA voters are costly to the Govn't for what is worth... I will give it a shot... It is good for them to know we are not in deep sleep.... and we are watching them....

The more emails she gets the merrier IMO...hehehe

When I think of her it always comes to my mind the song "Dora, Dora Dora the explorer" for some reason....hehehe....
which was why I choosed one of the nationalist political parties.

[buzuxi02]

We should remember that in 1941, when Hitler demanded passage south to attack Greece, which was then soundly defeating his collaborator Mussolini, the Serbs said No, we will not betray our ally. They could have said Yes to Hitler, but they refused. Their refusal cost them a million lives.

Today, no one is demanding a million Greek lives, or even one, in support of Serbia. But for her own security and that of Cyprus no less than Serbia’s, Greece must say OXI to the demand to ignore the rule of law, ignore the command of conscience, and ignore the mortal danger to our Orthodox Christian brothers and sisters in Kosovo.

This says it all. Now will Greece stand up for her principles and her soveriegnty or will she capitulate to the United States and Brussels?

[Philothei]

I am glad you put Jatras letter up I did not have it but the email was from him...

Thanks Photi ....Hey ditto are yu talking about Karatzaferi?

just wondering...

[photis]

I am glad you put Jatras letter up I did not have it but the email was from him...

Thanks Photi ....Hey ditto are yu talking about Karatzaferi?

just wondering...

Yeap, Karatzaferi

[Philothei]

my dad is with him too :)

I am sure lately his ratings must be up by now but the media makes him look low.... He must be over 5 percent...for sure...

[Philothei]

it is BIG news ...

I was praying so hard for this....:crosseo:


NATO chief gives Greece a hand with FYROM issue
http://www.ekathimerini.com/kathnews/images/dot_clear.gif Alliance head urges a Skopje move; Athens reasserts its right to veto

Simela Pantzartzi/ANA

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer looks pensive during a press conference in Athens with Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis. Scheffer stressed the importance of Greece as ‘an established NATO member.’ NATO’s secretary-general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, yesterday buoyed diplomats in Athens by emphasizing the importance of Greece as an established member of the alliance and calling on the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) to take a more constructive stance in efforts to resolve the Macedonia name dispute.
But Athens made it clear that it would not give up its right to veto FYROM’s accession to the alliance if a “mutually acceptable” solution is not found.
Speaking after talks with Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis and Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis, Scheffer said “it would be a big plus” if a solution is found before next month’s NATO summit – where FYROM’s accession is to be considered. But he stressed that Greece’s views on the name issue carried weight. “Greece is an historic member of NATO, the aspiring nations are not members of NATO and that is a basic difference,” he said.
Following the talks, Karamanlis reiterated Greece’s stance: “No solution means no invitation.” Scheffer indirectly backed this stance by saying, “Invitations... will only be issued on the basis of performance,” adding that “the name issue is considered as performance.”
Karamanlis again threw the ball into FYROM’s court. “We have taken several steps forward and are now waiting for FYROM to step forward,” he said.
The only official comment from FYROM’s government yesterday came from Foreign Minister Antonio Milososki who stuck to his guns. “The right to a constitutional name and national identity is an inalienable right of every country,” he said.
Karamanlis said Greece still supported FYROM’s NATO prospects but would veto its bid to join the alliance if the name dilemma persists.
Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis said Skopje must respect the principles of a club it aspires to join. “An inviolable prerequisite for enlargement of an alliance... is the undeviating observation of its principles and rules,” she said.
President Karolos Papoulias, who also met with Scheffer, said Greece’s stance is “very, very clear,” adding that “(the name issue) might be a problem for NATO but it is a bigger problem for Greece.”

Although this is far from over... still there is consideration for the name ..... and it will have to be a compound name ... that was the at least that the Greek Govn't was trying to accomplish...

On April 1 st more issues will come up between Greece and NATO....that Greece would have to work about...

Three major issues are
-the Afganistan war (we need to send troups for the first line...:cry: )_
-we are pressured to recognize Kosovo since we have prefered to wait on it...:cry:
-we have to allow FYROM to the Nato ....but if they would come to an agreement about the name...

Please pray a solution to be found.. :help:

They need to enter NATO so they will keep their nation intact.. and safe from Albanians....as they might invade them and they have no ... army... it will be a royal mess for the Balkans... yikes...