Messianics and belief on creation

[Lebesgue]

I am a Messianic and I am also an OEC(Old Earth Creationist).

I believe G-d created everything in 6 days but they were 6 of His "days" which could have been billions of years and the Theory of Relativity would support this.

What do other Messianic believers believe about Creation? Are most YEC? Or are there those who are OEC like myself?

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[Lulav]

I believe in an old earth, but in a literal 6 day creation. It cannot be otherwise because all the vegetation created on the third day would have died if it had to wait a thousand years for the sun to be made.

[Lebesgue]

I've heard that concept before and it seems reasonable.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

I believe in an old earth, but in a literal 6 day creation. It cannot be otherwise because all the vegetation created on the third day would have died if it had to wait a thousand years for the sun to be made. Epochs of time: Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

God said to Adam, in the day you eat of that fruit you will surly die. But yet Adam continued to live for hundreds of years later. Epochs of time. And no, I do not believe in evilution. Because God said He formed Adam in His own image.

[Lebesgue]

I don't believe in Evolution either, as an OEC. So I take it from what you wrote above with the "epochs of time" that you are an OEC?

Thanks.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

I don't believe in Evolution either, as an OEC. So I take it from what you wrote above with the "epochs of time" that you are an OEC?

Thanks.

Shalom,

Lebesgue From the way the bible is worded, God created the universe long before He created the Earth. That would mean that the elements that makeup the Earth are very old, and resent. What they don't tell you about carbon dating is, that the life of carbon 14 is about 2500 years, anything beyond that is a guess. As you can see from scripture that after the creation of the universe God came to a formless body of water; and from that He created this world.

[Lebesgue]

Very good points. That's a really good way to look at it.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[Lulav]

From the way the bible is worded, God created the universe long before He created the Earth. That would mean that the elements that makeup the Earth are very old, and resent. What they don't tell you about carbon dating is, that the life of carbon 14 is about 2500 years, anything beyond that is a guess. As you can see from scripture that after the creation of the universe God came to a formless body of water; and from that He created this world. Not necessarily. :)

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Not necessarily. :) Which part? :scratch:

[ChavaK]

I believe G-d created everything in 6 days but they were 6 of His "days" which could have been billions of years and the Theory of Relativity would support this.


Lebesgue

Have you been reading Gerald Schroeder? ;)

[Lebesgue]

Have you been reading Gerald Schroeder? ;)

I have read Gerald Schroeder's book "The Science of God" and pretty much agree with it.

I also frequent Hugh Ross' Reasons to Believe website as well.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[ChavaK]

I have read Gerald Schroeder's book "The Science of God" and pretty much agree with it.



Lebesgue

Me too; it was an excellent book as are his other two....

[Lebesgue]

Me too; it was an excellent book as are his other two....

Don't you think he pretty much PROVES that G-d exists? I do.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[ChavaK]

Don't you think he pretty much PROVES that G-d exists? I do.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

No doubt.
I've heard him speak a couple of times at Aish in Jerusalem
( and am hoping to hear him again on this trip).
He is an excellent speaker has the rare ability to take scientific
knowledge that is way above almost all of our heads and
present it in a way we can all understand.

[Lebesgue]

No doubt.
I've heard him speak a couple of times at Aish in Jerusalem
( and am hoping to hear him again on this trip).
He is an excellent speaker has the rare ability to take scientific
knowledge that is way above almost all of our heads and
present it in a way we can all understand.

I also believe the L-rd used Dr. Schroeder to help me at a point that was very low spiritually for me.

It was a couple of years ago I was staying at my brother's house and he had Dr. Schroeder's book "The Science of G-d". I was really struggling spiritually and was a Seventh Day Adventist at the time and based on the writings of Ellen White, who the SDAs consider a prophet I had become convinced it was impossible for me to be saved because I could not live up to the perfection of charcter Ellen White said was needed to be saved. And I believed at the time that EGW was a prophet and the SDA church was the ONLY truth so I was ready to just throw in the towel and give up on G-d and become an atheist because I felt if there was no hope for me to be saved, WHY even bother?

Dr. Schroder's book, and Dr. Hugh Ross' DVD "Journey to the Edge of Creation" both convinced me that G-d MUST exist.

I believe the L-rd put that book in my path to save me from sinking into unbelief.

Then things not long after that happened which opened my eyes to EGW NOT being a prophet and the SDA church NOT being the only truth, which eventually lead to my becoming a Messianic.

G-d Bless and have a safe trip.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[Lulav]

How did that change the way you looked at yourself?

[Lebesgue]

How did that change the way you looked at yourself?

IF I had given up on G-d I shudder to think of where I would be spiritually. Being convinced that G-d exists allowed me to hang on until my eyes were opened that there was another way than the SDA church.

I now believe I AM saved and there is HOPE for one thing, which is one thing I didn't have when I was SDA.

I don't know how much, if anything you know about the SDA church but there a some truth with some aberrant things thrown in.

There were things I did like about the SDA church like Shabbat, and the keeping of the food laws from Leviticus. G-d had a reason for me spending 14 years there.

Hope this answers your question.

G-d Bless.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

[WailingWall]

I believe its simply a matter of faith

GEN.1 [9] AND GOD SAID, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.[10] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

It was by the WORD of God that the earth was created

2 PETER [3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [4]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.[5] For this THEY WILLINGLY ARE IGNORANT of, that BY THE WORD OF GOD the HEAVENS WERE OF OLD, AND THE EARTH standing out of the water and in the water:

At the time God spoke the WORD He created the heavens and the earth to look to be old. So why would God have made the heavens and the earth to appear older than they actually were at the time of creation? Was He trying to trick us? Do ya suppose it could simply come down to a matter of faith? Those with faith in God believe that God created the heavens and the earth just as the spoken Word says, even though the evidence for this is not seen.

HEBREWS 11 [1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[2] For by it the elders obtained a good report.[3] THROUGH FAITH WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORLDS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD, SO THAT THINGS WHICH ARE SEEN WERE NOT MADE OF THINGS WHICH DO APPEAR.

It really does comes down to faith. You wont be able to prove that God created the heavens and the earth (as the Word says) through science or in a debate. Common sense? Yeah. Go outside on a clear night. Look up. Think. If then you don’t understand...you dont understand.

[visionary]

I accept that I am not as smart as God. That means that I do not understand all the things of God like His creation. To me, just because man can not figure out the age of the material that God was working with doesn't mean that God did not do all that He said He did when He did.

[Kris10leigh]

Visionary, I couldn't agree more! That's how I feel about most God related topics.

I tend do believe in creation, but not in a literal sense of our "day". I'm not sure what a "day" meant back then, but the vegetation thought causes me to pause for thought.

I do believe evolution exists though, just not as a creation theory. I believe mammals do evolve over time and I believe that was part of God's plan. (Seals once walked on four legs. That's evolution.)

[visionary]

IF I had given up on G-d I shudder to think of where I would be spiritually. Being convinced that G-d exists allowed me to hang on until my eyes were opened that there was another way than the SDA church.

I now believe I AM saved and there is HOPE for one thing, which is one thing I didn't have when I was SDA.

I don't know how much, if anything you know about the SDA church but there a some truth with some aberrant things thrown in.

There were things I did like about the SDA church like Shabbat, and the keeping of the food laws from Leviticus. G-d had a reason for me spending 14 years there.

Hope this answers your question.

G-d Bless.

Shalom,

LebesguePhp 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Yeshua's Return.