Question for all of you

[Yuanshen]

Hello, I have a few questions.

Why do some of you not believe the orthodox view of God as a Trinity? I totally understand it. Just as there is one Church, but many persons in the Church, there is also One God but three persons in the One God.

Jesus said, "Let them be one as you and I are one."
He said that praying to His Father in heaven.


I also read that some of you think Trinity is pagan thought. But truth is pagans sometimes believe true things. Just because a pagan has an idea about God that doesn't make it wrong. It may be wrong, it may not be wrong.

For example did you know that the Ceasers were called Sons of God, or Sons of Divinities? Did you know that the concept of a woman giving birth to a divine child is nothing new either? Did you know that the idea of God taking on human flesh was something the Hindus believed and taught way before Christ was here? But yet all these things are taught in Christianity. Why do you not be more consistant with your views and throw all the ideas of Jesus being God in the flesh, a Son of God, away because they are shared with pagans?

You also have an idea of a Church, a whole community of believers. But Buddhists have had that belief before Christians, called the Sangha.

There are many more things that pagans share in common with both Judaism and Christianity. Perhaps you should drop both religions and get a new one that has nothing at all in common with pagan ideas?

Yuan

[Kris10leigh]

The following is why I don't believe in the trinity. Whether you read it or not, to sum it up, I believe the Trinity is a man-made concept to reconcile the beliefs within one kingdom. Men couldn't decide one way or another, so men met and held a vote about it. That's why I don't believe in the trinity.


"Flavius Valerius Constantius (c. 285-337 AD), Constantine the Great, was the son of Emperor Constantius I. When his father died in 306 AD, Constantine became emperor of Britain, Gaul (now France), and Spain. Gradually he gained control of the entire Roman empire.
Theological differences regarding Jesus Christ began to manifest in Constantine's empire when two major opponents surfaced and debated whether Christ was a created being (Arius doctrine) or not created but rather coequal and coeternal to God his father (Athanasius doctrine).
The theological warfare between the Arius and Athanasius doctrinal camps became intense. Constantine realized that the his empire was being threatened by the doctrinal rift. Constantine began to pressure the church to come to terms with its differences before the results became disastrous to his empire. Finally the emperor called a council at Nicea in 325 AD to resolve the dispute.
Only a fraction of existing bishops, 318, attended. This equated to about 18% of all the bishops in the empire. Of the 318, approximately 10 were from the Western part of Constantine's empire, making the voting lopsided at best. The emperor manipulated, coerced and threatened the council to be sure it voted for what he believed rather than an actual consensus of the bishops."

[Yuanshen]

How do you know that is actually true?

Tell me: can you understand this:

Let them be one as you and I are one?


Can you understand that much? If you can then then you can understand that just as you and I are in one Church, but different persons, likewise Jesus and the Father are also both one but different persons.

yuan

[A_Pioneer]

I believe what the bible says!


Shalom

[Kris10leigh]

How do you know that is actually true?

Tell me: can you understand this:

Let them be one as you and I are one?


Can you understand that much? If you can then then you can understand that just as you and I are in one Church, but different persons, likewise Jesus and the Father are also both one but different persons.

yuan
Can I understand it? Yes. Do I believe it? No.

[Lulav]

I have a question, If G-d is three persons, and we know his name, YHWH and His sons name, Yeshua, then what is the third persons name?

And explain the absence of the third person in this passage, written before Yeshua came:

Who has ascended up into heaven, and descended?
Who has gathered the wind in his fists?
Who has bound the waters in his garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is his son's name, if you know?


:)

[Henaynei]

not ANOTHER "why don't you believe the Trinity" thread!!!! Arrrggg!!!! :swoon: this must be the 10th one in the last 2 weeks.....

[visionary]

This thread is moved to debate.... and if it is determined that it even leans towards non-trinity it will be immediately moved to UT.... just as all trinity threads will be handled from here on forth.

[Kris10leigh]

Honest question here...

What's the deal with the trinity discussions? I'm new here. Is there a sticky somewhere that talks about what is and what isn't allowed with regards to the trinity? I truly never gave any thought to the fact that I might not be welcome in a Christian forum because I do not believe in the trinity.

[visionary]

Since Nicene Creed rules have been put into place... it has been determined that all trinity thread discussion must be immediately moved to debate... and if there is any discussion of a non-trinitarian position... it is to be immediately moved to UT.

[Kris10leigh]

I'm sorry, but what's "UT"? I'm trying to figure out what I am and am not allowed to say. Is there a sticky already specific to this?

[visionary]

http://christianforums.com/f130-unorthodox-theology.html

UT - Unorthodox Theology

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Hello, I have a few questions.

Why do some of you not believe the orthodox view of God as a Trinity? I totally understand it. Just as there is one Church, but many persons in the Church, there is also One God but three persons in the One God.

Jesus said, "Let them be one as you and I are one."
He said that praying to His Father in heaven.


I also read that some of you think Trinity is pagan thought. But truth is pagans sometimes believe true things. Just because a pagan has an idea about God that doesn't make it wrong. It may be wrong, it may not be wrong.

For example did you know that the Ceasers were called Sons of God, or Sons of Divinities? Did you know that the concept of a woman giving birth to a divine child is nothing new either? Did you know that the idea of God taking on human flesh was something the Hindus believed and taught way before Christ was here? But yet all these things are taught in Christianity. Why do you not be more consistant with your views and throw all the ideas of Jesus being God in the flesh, a Son of God, away because they are shared with pagans?

You also have an idea of a Church, a whole community of believers. But Buddhists have had that belief before Christians, called the Sangha.

There are many more things that pagans share in common with both Judaism and Christianity. Perhaps you should drop both religions and get a new one that has nothing at all in common with pagan ideas?

Yuan The stories in the bible go back many of thousands of year ago. And the people who heard about them also made up their own stories from the bible, and even before the bible was written.