proselytized by non-trin's

[stone]

I'm curious if anyone else other than myself has been proselytized here by any of the non-trinitarians?

I think i should warn those that are unsuspecting to their sleazy deeds of deception.

Often things happen that don't make any sense when it happens, but later it comes together, at least it did for me.

Let me share with those that are unaware of what happened to me here on this very forum.

It was through pm, before i became a mod. I think it was about a year before.

So, i get this pm from a well respected non-trin. (this forum is infiltrated with counter missionaries, wityh deep deep roots, and don't let them define to you what one is).

I believe the line of questioning came about of something that started with the accepting of the trinity. I was asked to review what i believe and that i need to be absolutely sure of what i choose because my life depends on it. There were more words used that this, but i'm just summing it up.

If it weren't for the words of an angel that were spoken to me, "you must believe the word of jesus", then i know i would have abondoned my trinitarian icon for the non-trin and that would begin the ride to a full fledged judaic icon.

Has anyone else here been proselytized by a non-trin or a jew?

[ChavaK]

Has anyone else here been proselytized by a non-trin or a jew?


I would be surprised to see non-trins here "proselytizing" but
not surprised to see it happens in general. I think it a bit strange,
but no stranger than messianics "proselytizing" Christians to
give up their beliefs and become messianic. I don't get it. :)

But I would be very surprised to see a Jew try to convert a
non-Jew to Judaism, as we do not encourage conversion and
actively discourage it. I have had several Christians approach
me via PM asking about Judaism and/or converting. While
I always answer questions they have- not to do so would be
rude-I always try do it as a response to a question and not as a
conversion attempt.

[stone]

This is a christian forum. ;)

[ChavaK]

This is a christian forum. ;)

So, what's that go to do with my response? :confused::scratch:

[stone]

Well, since you asked; because its a messianic judaism forum, which of course, i've learned that even the term, messianic judaism rubs jews the wrong way, they are offended by the very existance of this forum. I say there is a charge for all jews to attack us here and to have this forum removed and shutdown, because of the witness it establishes for jews that are returning to the truth. This forum is a target for proslytizeing. You can say its not all you want, but the evidence in the staff forum archives prooves otherwise.

Do you want me to tell you why they would have some parade around as non-trin.'s?

[Kris10leigh]

What is a "non-trin"? Just someone who doesn't believe in the Trinity, or is it a religious sect? Is it within the Messianic group? Are we so divided as to be
Messianic-Jew
Messianic-Christian
Messianic-trinitarian
Messianic-non-trinitarian?

I personally don't believe in the trinity, but I don't see it as a big deal. I believe God and Jesus to be completely separate, Jesus being the true son of God. But it is not a breaking point for me. I honestly couldn't care less what anyone else thinks. In real life, I've NEVER met anyone else who believes the way I do, so I'm not going to be so bold as to say I'm right and you're wrong. For all I know, I'm the one who's wrong.

Who are these "non-trins" you speak of?

[stone]

It is a big deal, because it is the only path to the father.

[Kris10leigh]

I disagree. The path to the father is through believing in Jesus, following Jesus, not believing that He IS God. I believe that at the time of Constantine's rule his country was divided by Pagans and Jews following Jesus. And the congregants were divided as to whether we should be worshipping Jesus, the Holy Spirt AND God, which would be worshipping more than one God OR worshipping only ONE God, thus the trinity was formed. It reconciled man to being able to worship all three within the law. (Please don't ask me to site scripture or such, because I' promise I'll lose! It's just an opinion...a belief, based on what I've read.)

I think the whole Trinity aspect of things is man made, but I realize many disagree with me, and that's ok. Why does it matter if that's right or wrong? I have no less respect for Jesus. To me, he is divine because he is God's son, but He was also fully human.

[Talmidah]

I say there is a charge for all jews to attack us here and to have this forum removed and shutdown You truly believe this, stone? :scratch:
Do you want me to tell you why they would have some parade around as non-trin.'s? Again with the cryptic statements. Just lay it out there. Who are these impostors? Let them be known so that everyone can be aware. :sigh: These little games are entirely unbecoming.

[Henaynei]

Has anyone else here been proselytized by a non-trin or a jew? I just love this wording...

[Kris10leigh]

I just love this wording...
Right, it makes Jews and non-trins sound evil. Now I KNOW what a Jew is...not evil...but what is a "non-trin"? If it is one who doesn't believe in the trinity, I'd venture quite far to say that also does not make a person evil.

[insaneinthebrain]

I'm curious if anyone else other than myself has been proselytized here by any of the non-trinitarians?

I think i should warn those that are unsuspecting to their sleazy deeds of deception.

Often things happen that don't make any sense when it happens, but later it comes together, at least it did for me.

Let me share with those that are unaware of what happened to me here on this very forum.

It was through pm, before i became a mod. I think it was about a year before.

So, i get this pm from a well respected non-trin. (this forum is infiltrated with counter missionaries, wityh deep deep roots, and don't let them define to you what one is).

I believe the line of questioning came about of something that started with the accepting of the trinity. I was asked to review what i believe and that i need to be absolutely sure of what i choose because my life depends on it. There were more words used that this, but i'm just summing it up.

If it weren't for the words of an angel that were spoken to me, "you must believe the word of jesus", then i know i would have abondoned my trinitarian icon for the non-trin and that would begin the ride to a full fledged judaic icon.

Has anyone else here been proselytized by a non-trin or a jew?

This person is an obvious exception. There are Jews and non-trinitarians that I've known for years here that have always respected the beliefs of others. You're gonna have to be more specific, otherwise you indict good people for no reason.

[visionary]

I have never been approached.

[Henaynei]

Well, since you asked; because its a messianic Judaism forum, which of course, i've learned that even the term, messianic Judaism rubs jews the wrong way, they are offended by the very existence of this forum. I have known MANY Jewish people who know about MJism, know about this forum or both - and a very small number even of those who are charged with leadership in the Jewish community have *any* negative feelings toward most Messianics I say there is a charge for all Jews to attack us here and to have this forum removed and shutdown, because of the witness it establishes for Jews that are returning to the truth. This forum is a target for proslytizing. This is a rather twisted and skewed POV and one not backed by facts, merely supposition and feelings...You can say its not all you want, but the evidence in the staff forum archives proves otherwise. I was on staff a lot longer than you and had access to much deeper levels of the archives than did you - and while I agree we have been subject to a few runs of anti-missionarizing - it has been relatively few and relatively unsuccessful...
Do you want me to tell you why they would have some parade around as non-trin.'s? I "parade" around here because I am a blood bought believer and servant of the Jewish Messiah - just because I don't believe in an interpretation of who HaShem is as relates to a description of how he wills and works among mankind makes me no less a believer - and this forum recognizes that. This forum HAS chosen, had to chose SOME definition for the sake of the application of staff and rules, but they made it VERY clear, have always made it clear, that non-Trinitarianism in and of itself in no way defined one as a non-believer or unsaved.....

[visionary]

The thread premise is bias and rude to our fellow non-trin messianic believers and unless something is brought forward that reveals proof of claim, I believe that this thread should be closed.

[Lulav]

The thread premise is bias and rude to our fellow non-trin messianic believers and unless something is brought forward that reveals proof of claim, I believe that this thread should be closed.Only biased and rude to the non trins? What about us Jews? Believers or not he insinuated and insulted us, don't we count?:scratch::sigh:

[visionary]

Only biased and rude to the non trins? What about us Jews? Believers or not he insinuated and insulted us, don't we count?:scratch::sigh:Sorry ... you too should have been included in my statement... I agree with what you are saying.

[Yuanshen]

I'm curious if anyone else other than myself has been proselytized here by any of the non-trinitarians?

I think i should warn those that are unsuspecting to their sleazy deeds of deception.

Often things happen that don't make any sense when it happens, but later it comes together, at least it did for me.

Let me share with those that are unaware of what happened to me here on this very forum.

It was through pm, before i became a mod. I think it was about a year before.

So, i get this pm from a well respected non-trin. (this forum is infiltrated with counter missionaries, wityh deep deep roots, and don't let them define to you what one is).

I believe the line of questioning came about of something that started with the accepting of the trinity. I was asked to review what i believe and that i need to be absolutely sure of what i choose because my life depends on it. There were more words used that this, but i'm just summing it up.

If it weren't for the words of an angel that were spoken to me, "you must believe the word of jesus", then i know i would have abondoned my trinitarian icon for the non-trin and that would begin the ride to a full fledged judaic icon.

Has anyone else here been proselytized by a non-trin or a jew?


Yes if not Trinity believer than not true of God.

False must be purged out by truth. Keep saying the truth over and over and the devil will run away.

yuan

[ChavaK]

Well, since you asked; because its a messianic judaism forum, which of course, i've learned that even the term, messianic judaism rubs jews the wrong way, they are offended by the very existance of this forum. I say there is a charge for all jews to attack us here and to have this forum removed and shutdown, because of the witness it establishes for jews that are returning to the truth. This forum is a target for proslytizeing. You can say its not all you want, but the evidence in the staff forum archives prooves otherwise.

First, from what I have seen here, there are very few halachic Jews.
There really isn't anybody to convert, should we have a mind
to do so.;)

Second, and this is not meant to be offensive, I don't see many
halachic Jews being involved in MJ. This forum has probably
seen more Messianics convert to Judaism, and Jews return to
traditional Judaism, then the other way around. I only mention
that because I don't think your arguement for "Jews returning
to the truth" holds any validity...and therefore no need
for"anti-missionary work".

Do you want me to tell you why they would have some parade around as non-trin.'s?It goes both ways....
I got a PM awhile back from a Messianic who was non-trin who
would not publicly admit it, and used the scroll icon rather
than the Menorah. This person knew others on the forum who
were doing the same thing. The only reason they were doing
it was because they wanted full posting privileges. There
wasn't anything attempt at proselytizing others here.

I don't see any advantage of trins posing as non-trins....

[Yuanshen]

Right, it makes Jews and non-trins sound evil. Now I KNOW what a Jew is...not evil...but what is a "non-trin"? If it is one who doesn't believe in the trinity, I'd venture quite far to say that also does not make a person evil.


Evil people do not believe in Jesus as God's Son.

That is the liar and the antiChrist.

That is many people. It could be a old lady or a teenager, Jew or non Jew.

yuan

[Yuanshen]

Owner say non trinitarians posing as Trinitarians in greed and cover-up to be moderators.

yuan

[Talmidah]

Owner say non trinitarians posing as Trinitarians in greed and cover-up to be moderators.

yuan
Non-trinitarians are allowed to be moderators, they don't need to "pose as Trinitarians".

[ChavaK]

Non-trinitarians are allowed to be moderators.

Really? Can they mod on the Christian portions of the site,
or only the Non-Christian sections of the fourm?

[ChavaK]

Owner say non trinitarians posing as Trinitarians in greed and cover-up to be moderators.

yuan

I don't know about that.
The only ones I do know about are
doing it only because they wanted equal posting privileges.

[ChavaK]

Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think I can
recall any Christians trying to convert me. :)

[Talmidah]

Really? Can they mod on the Christian portions of the site,
or only the Non-Christian sections of the fourm?Oh, I didn't realize that Yuanshen meant that they were posing as trinitarians to mod specifically in the Christian portions. I was thinking it was just so they can be moderators. So, no I don't think that non-trinitarians can mod in most areas of the Christian section.

However, that still has nothing to do with stone's allegations that Jews "have some parade around as non-trin.'s". As you mentioned, there may be a perceived advantage for a non-trinitarian to pose as a trinitarian (whether for posting privileges or to mod in the Nicene section), but I don't see any advantage for anyone to pose as a non-trin.

[ChavaK]

Oh, I didn't realize that Yuanshen meant that they were posing as trinitarians to mod specifically in the Christian portions.
That's how I read his statement, but maybe I'm wrong..


However, that still has nothing to do with stone's allegations that Jews "have some parade around as non-trin.'s".
Agreed.

I don't see any advantage for anyone to pose as a non-trin.

Me neither. And if a Messianic did that, wouldn't they be involved
in denying their faith?? And if a Jew did it, wouldn't he be involved
in avoda zara?

I just don't get the whole issue....

[Kris10leigh]

Wait a minute! By saying you can't be a mod here if you don't believe in the trinity, do some people believe you can't be a Christian AND be non-trinitarian? Where did that come from?

[stone]

I just love this wording...

figured you would

[stone]

I don't know about that.
The only ones I do know about are
doing it only because they wanted equal posting privileges.


This forum is the only christian forum that allows non-trin's to mod, and i will be working to change that. I'd rather have the wolves not mingleing with the sheep.

[stone]

You truly believe this, stone? :scratch:
Again with the cryptic statements. Just lay it out there. Who are these impostors? Let them be known so that everyone can be aware. :sigh: These little games are entirely unbecoming.


I'm only bringing it out into the open.

Perhaps you would like links to post that still exist in this forum demonstrateing counter missionary activity? I do have several from threads that still exist that i never reported. then you can take a good look at your so called imaginary conspiracy theory?

but what does that proove when this forum is already infested.

The only way to clear them out will be to make this forum just like all the others here and that is TRINITARIAN!!

:D

[stone]

True chrsitians are trinitarians, those that are not are those that do not know Jesus. and he will tell you that.


Wait a minute! By saying you can't be a mod here if you don't believe in the trinity, do some people believe you can't be a Christian AND be non-trinitarian? Where did that come from?

[ChavaK]

I'm only bringing it out into the open.

Perhaps you would like links to post that still exist in this forum demonstrateing counter missionary activity? I do have several from threads that still exist that i never reported. then you can take a good look at your so called imaginary conspiracy theory?

but what does that proove when this forum is already infested.

The only way to clear them out will be to make this forum just like all the others here and that is TRINITARIAN!!

:D

Judging from the results of the Trinitarian poll, you aren't going
to have a whole heck of a lot of posters left....:D

[stone]

they might stick around longer when you guys aren't here rebuking christ

[ChavaK]

they might stick around longer
how can they if they get banned?

when you guys aren't here rebuking christ

Oh, please.....do you also see black helicopters circling over
your house? :D

[Lulav]

Evil people do not believe in Jesus as God's Son.

That is the liar and the antiChrist.

That is many people. It could be a old lady or a teenager, Jew or non Jew.

yuanJust because one has not been called by the Spirit yet, does not make them evil.

[Lulav]

they might stick around longer when you guys aren't here rebuking christ I've never seen anyone here do that, but even if they did, isn't it better out in the open where we can reason with them, if lead to?








*Some counter-missionaries are double agents.

[AnneSally]

Has anyone else here been proselytized by a non-trin or a jew?

A long time ago, under the old management/ownership, a Jew tried to proselytize to me by pm. The person in question (who shall remain namless) was very nice and kind and wanted to set the record straight on Judaic beliefs but I got the feeling that they were up to something.

Suffice to say, it didn't work.:amen:

[AnneSally]

It is a big deal, because it is the only path to the father.


Jesus Christ is the only WAY to the Father. The "trinity" is a doctrine used by humans to help explain and understand who God is.

[AnneSally]

Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think I can
recall any Christians trying to convert me. :)


LOL! Come into my clutches Chavak and let me convert you!:thumbsup:

Only kidding.:hug:

[AnneSally]

Non-trinitarians are allowed to be moderators, they don't need to "pose as Trinitarians".

Blimey, Jehovah's Witnesses are non-trins so are they allowed to be moderators too?:scratch:

[AnneSally]

Just because one has not been called by the Spirit yet, does not make them evil.


Exactly! There was a time when we were all lost and blind to Jesus Christ.

[WV25115]

This is a very trouble forum indeed.

[AnneSally]

This is a very trouble forum indeed.


huh?:confused:

[ChazakEmunah]

they might stick around longer when you guys aren't here rebuking christ
Stone,

I can only hope that you will have the sense to just rise above this balagan. If you feel threatened by our (Jewish) open denial of Yeshu", then perhaps your faith could use some chizzuk.

[ChavaK]

This forum is the only christian forum that allows non-trin's to mod, and i will be working to change that. I'd rather have the wolves not mingleing with the sheep.

I thought non-trins and non-christians could no longer mod
in christian forums? that they were relegated to the rest of
the site?
either way, doesn't matter to me as long as the mods are fair.
:wave:

[ChavaK]

LOL! Come into my clutches Chavak and let me convert you!:thumbsup:

Only kidding.:hug:

:D

For some reason, that brought forth thoughts of Dorothy and
the wicked whitch of the west.....come to me, my little pretty....LOL

[Henaynei]

Yes if not Trinity believer than not true of God.

False must be purged out by truth. Keep saying the truth over and over and the devil will run away.

yuan this from a Buddahist "Christian"? :scratch:

[AnneSally]

:D

For some reason, that brought forth thoughts of Dorothy and
the wicked whitch of the west.....come to me, my little pretty....LOL


Oh no! Yikes! I promise you I'm not the Wicked Witch of the West my little pret...I mean "my dear";)

(cackle) :ebil:

[visionary]

I am going to close this thread for review.

[ContraMundum]

I'm curious if anyone else other than myself has been proselytized here by any of the non-trinitarians?

I think i should warn those that are unsuspecting to their sleazy deeds of deception.

Often things happen that don't make any sense when it happens, but later it comes together, at least it did for me.

Let me share with those that are unaware of what happened to me here on this very forum.

It was through pm, before i became a mod. I think it was about a year before.

So, i get this pm from a well respected non-trin. (this forum is infiltrated with counter missionaries, wityh deep deep roots, and don't let them define to you what one is).

I believe the line of questioning came about of something that started with the accepting of the trinity. I was asked to review what i believe and that i need to be absolutely sure of what i choose because my life depends on it. There were more words used that this, but i'm just summing it up.

If it weren't for the words of an angel that were spoken to me, "you must believe the word of jesus", then i know i would have abondoned my trinitarian icon for the non-trin and that would begin the ride to a full fledged judaic icon.

Has anyone else here been proselytized by a non-trin or a jew?


Since I've been here I've had three (count them, three) people try to "convert" me to my "old" religion or some other version of the faith.

Needless to say, trying to get me to change my POV is like trying to get the unstoppable force to move the immovable object- it just blows up in their face.

BUT- they have tried. I think it's interesting that you've seen this too.

Somehow, I think it will go away. :)