Censor - R etard??

[snoochface]

I was quoting a news article today that used the word "r etard" -- and got six [wash my mouth]s instead of the headline. What in the world??

Is this word really in the censor?? And if so, why?? There are legitimate uses, and to make matters worse, the plural of the word (retards) got through the filter just fine.

Come on now! :doh:

[praying]

That is so retarded :P

This is only a test of our emergency filter system. If this had been a real word that needed censoring I would not have used it.

[ravenscape]

That's really going to hamper discussions in our science forums.

[Lisa0315]

I am the one who made the request. I think you can find a word to use that will replace it. It is a hurtful word to those of us who have loved ones who are handicapped. Okay?

Lisa

[ravenscape]

If someone uses the word as an insult, it's a rule violation, and can be reported. Why censor the many, many non-insulting uses for this word?

[praying]

I am the one who made the request. I think you can find a word to use that will replace it. It is a hurtful word to those of us who have loved ones who are handicapped. Okay?

Lisa


I agree Lisa but in the context of a discussion of the mentally handicapped then it should not be used. However to filter the word when there are so many other legitimate uses is overkill.

[Crazy Liz]

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[praying]

OT - How come when you post it takes you back to the first page where snooch created this discussion?

[Teshi]

“Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the disposition of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they cannot comprehend”

et cetera

[LadyOfMilkweedManor]

I hate the word used as an insult or to describe something as stupid or lame. I'm disabled and I also have a mentally disable sister. The word is supposed to be used to mean 'slow' as in brain function or to slow a process down, but it has quickly become a phrase used to insult and hurt others. To show you're disgust and disaproval with something and as by doing that are (intenionally or not) doing the same thing to those people who are mentally 'slow'. I have been called that many a time, and sure there are legitamate reasons for using it, but I think for the most part people use it as an insult or to show their displease with something, like a poster above. It hurts me, makes me angry because everytime I hear that word (regardless of the context) I think of how people have treated me and my sister, being made fun of, tormented, mocked, ignored.
I think it will be hard for anyone who doesn't personally know someone who is handicapped or is handicapped themselves to understand as it is with many things. But I don't see it as that much of a hinderance, could you not think of another word to discribe what it is you are talking about?

Brittany

[snoochface]

I agree that it should not be used to refer to the mentally handicapped. But I think it's ridiculous to censor a legitimate word with many other uses, rather than just enforce the flaming usage of the word.

There are SO many words which can be used inappropriately, but if we censored them all we'd barely be able to hold a conversation.

I am requesting this word be removed from the filter.

[snoochface]

Brittany, I'm sorry you've been hurt by the word being used inappropriately. But it is a legitimate part of the vocabulary and, when used properly, should NOT be censored.

When used inappropriately, the poster should be cited with a violation, warning, or whatever action would be necessary under the circumstances.

[LadyOfMilkweedManor]

Maybe its because I'm new, but how do make sure that it is used apropriately? Do you just report when it is used as an insult or something? Wasn't that what censoring it was supposed to prevent, the incorrect use of the term?
I think the word can be used in a variety of ways, I'm not ignorant. But I *know* must of the time it is not the case, unless you are discussing something that has to do with brain function or reciting definitions of some sort. I don't know anyone who uses that word as it is supposed to be used in normal conversation.
I'm oversensitive when it comes to issues like this, mainly because of my own insecurites about my disabiltiy and self hatred because of that. I know that I cannot make the people use the word correctly or to refer to the handicapped correctly either.
So I will conceed to the more experienced/older memebers to come to a good decision.
But my opinion won't change, the only thing that will is my opinion of those who use it incorrectly.

[snoochface]

You make sure the word is used appropriately by reporting it when it is not. Let the moderators do their jobs, but don't take away the use of a legitimate part of the English language because a word "could" be used incorrectly.

[Lisa0315]

I hate the word used as an insult or to describe something as stupid or lame. I'm disabled and I also have a mentally disable sister. The word is supposed to be used to mean 'slow' as in brain function or to slow a process down, but it has quickly become a phrase used to insult and hurt others. To show you're disgust and disaproval with something and as by doing that are (intenionally or not) doing the same thing to those people who are mentally 'slow'. I have been called that many a time, and sure there are legitamate reasons for using it, but I think for the most part people use it as an insult or to show their displease with something, like a poster above. It hurts me, makes me angry because everytime I hear that word (regardless of the context) I think of how people have treated me and my sister, being made fun of, tormented, mocked, ignored.
I think it will be hard for anyone who doesn't personally know someone who is handicapped or is handicapped themselves to understand as it is with many things. But I don't see it as that much of a hinderance, could you not think of another word to discribe what it is you are talking about?

Brittany

Hi Brittany,
You have said it so much better than I could. Thank You. That is exactly why I requested the word be filtered and I believe why Lee agreed. It is a very hurtful word on par with the N word in my opinion.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

You make sure the word is used appropriately by reporting it when it is not. Let the moderators do their jobs, but don't take away the use of a legitimate part of the English language because a word "could" be used incorrectly.

Even when used legitimately, the word has so developed into something hurtful, that the use of any other word would be preferable. Try to understand that.

Lisa

[snoochface]

There are no other uses for the n-word but the derogatory one. There are many other very legitimate, and even common, uses for this word.

Lisa, Brittany, I understand the hurt that can be caused from the improper use of the word. I really do, and I don't want to wish that hurt on anyone. I just really believe the better way to handle it is to let the moderators do their job and enforce flaming and inappropriate uses when it becomes necessary.

This is a dangerous trend. Before you know it we won't be able to talk about pussy-cats, or the fact that Peter betrayed Jesus before the cock crowed, or mention our love for old Dick Tracy comics. Where does it end?

[Lisa0315]

There are no other uses for the n-word but the derogatory one. There are many other very legitimate, and even common, uses for this word.

Lisa, Brittany, I understand the hurt that can be caused from the improper use of the word. I really do, and I don't want to wish that hurt on anyone. I just really believe the better way to handle it is to let the moderators do their job and enforce flaming and inappropriate uses when it becomes necessary.

This is a dangerous trend. Before you know it we won't be able to talk about pussy-cats, or the fact that Peter betrayed Jesus before the cock crowed, or mention our love for old Dick Tracy comics. Where does it end?

Well, let's see how censored it is.

[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
Retarded
Retards
Retarding

So, only the noun is censored. Seems fair enough to me. The only way [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] could be used as a noun is with *I* or *You* and that would not make sense if used in the manner being described. So, nothing except the offending word has been eliminated and it also sets a precedence that mods will take seriously. If the words that are not censored are used in a derogatory manner, then, the mods will not take it lightly.

I think without the censorship the mods WOULD have called it a non-violation. It would have been called humor.

Lisa

[snoochface]

Well, let's see how censored it is.

[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
Retarded
Retards
Retarding
So it can't be used in the present tense singular, but present tense plural (you're all a bunch of....) is okay, and past tense/adjective (that's so.....) is okay?

Of course those uses are not alright, but the words themselves should be because of the alternate meanings. You're sort of making my point, Lisa. If those other instances of the word are acceptable, it makes little sense for the base word not to be.

[Lisa0315]

So it can't be used in the present tense singular, but present tense plural (you're all a bunch of....) is okay, and past tense/adjective (that's so.....) is okay?

Of course those uses are not alright, but the words themselves should be because of the alternate meanings. You're sort of making my point, Lisa. If those other instances of the word are acceptable, it makes little sense for the base word not to be.

In my edited post, I did make the point that censorship of the root word will set a precedent that the mods can enforce if the word is used incorrectly. It is more than fair this way. Admit it. You have lost nothing unless you happen to like using the word in a hurtful manner.

Lisa

[Crazy Liz]

Well, let's see how censored it is.

[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
Retarded
Retards
Retarding

So, only the noun is censored.
"[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]" is a verb. It is ungrammatical to noun it.
Seems fair enough to me. The only way [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] could be used as a noun is with *I* or *You* and that would not make sense if used in the manner being described. So, nothing except the offending word has been eliminated and it also sets a precedence that mods will take seriously.
Did you see my post about the eye cream (http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=43783076&postcount=6)?
If the words that are not censored are used in a derogatory manner, then, the mods will not take it lightly.

I think without the censorship the mods WOULD have called it a non-violation. It would have been called humor.

Lisa
It's not only the noun that is censored, but all future tense verb forms, infinitive forms, subjunctive forms and present tense forms of the verb except the third person singular.

to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

I [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
he/she/it retards

we [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
they [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]


I shall [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
he/she/it will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

we shall [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
they will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

etc.

[Lisa0315]

It's not only the noun that is censored, but all future tense verb forms, infinitive forms, subjunctive forms and present tense forms of the verb except the third person singular.

to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

I [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
he/she/it retards

we [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
they [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]


I shall [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
he/she/it will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

we shall [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
they will [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

etc.

Did you see my post about the eye cream?

Thanketh Youeth. :ebil:

That is not exactly my point though...

Lisa

[Crazy Liz]

Thanketh Youeth. :ebil:

That is not exactly my point though...

Lisa
Your point is that you don't like it when people noun this particular verb, so you want the verb censored in its uninflected form so people can't noun it.

Or am I mistaken about your point?

[LadyOfMilkweedManor]

I don't think there is an easy fix, it seems the censoring of the word has caused more problems than allowing the use of the word would have. *shrugs*
It seems that you are fearful that because one word is censorded because of the possible uses all other words with offensive/suggestive meanings will be too. I was actually surpised those you listed weren't censored, in my experience those are the types of words that tend to be censorded. I don't know.
I'm fine with the term being used correctly. In my experience that rarely happens, but I tend to have a cynical point of view when it comes to things of this nature.
So I agree, let the mods decide what is the 'appropriate' use then. I guess thats the best option to make everyone happy. *shrugs*

[praying]

It is as simple as you can not call someone retarded, or say you Re tard etc. or any other use of the word in name calling. In those cases it would be a flame and should be removed as such. Or am I missing something?


ETA : remove the wash my mouths :blush: Isn't it sufficient as someone stated to let the mods remove the inappropriate usage?

[snoochface]

I don't enjoy using the word in a hurtful manner at all. I never would.

As is being pointed out, it is not just a noun. It is not just used in name-calling and hatefulness. It is a real word with a real meaning, and that meaning is not mean. Am I punny enough? :P

Seriously. If we're going to censor the word, let's go ahead and censor moron, idiot, and fool as well. They can all be used to hurt someone and demean a person, so let's get rid of them. While we're at it, I've been hurt by being called fat. Let's censor that word too.

You see what I mean? Where does it stop?

[PaladinGirl]

I personally think it is highly ridiculous to ban the usage of the word entirely. As others have pointed out, the word has perfectly legitimate uses and if members due their duty and report those who misuse the word, this should not become a problem.

[Addicted2~Jesus]

It is as simple as you can not call someone retarded, or say you Re tard etc. or any other use of the word in name calling. In those cases it would be a flame and should be removed as such. Or am I missing something?


ETA : remove the wash my mouths :blush: Isn't it sufficient as someone stated to let the mods remove the inappropriate usage?

Spose this would be a "by passin the filter" violation?

Spose all the wash my mouths out would be violations?

An I wonder if me mentionin that is a violation?

LOL I find this actually quite funny, I agree wit Snooch, while of course it should not be allowed for someone to call someone the word, I think she's right when she says the mods should do thier jobs er rather let them do thier jobs. I'm not bout to git into the fusses of the verb/noun thin.. ya'lld beat me over the head in a heart beat but the same is true for any word. Jes bout anythin can be turned into a negative an thus become a violation. Prayin is such a 'should'. Obviously it doesn't work well, but give sumthin silly like that a chance, before long pop stars are callin people 'shoulds'

I'm not makin light of anyones feelins, but this isn't a word, used properly that should be filtered, an honestly readin the discussion.. I couldn't come up wit a better word then that. What would be a replacement? Usin the defintion, sayin A2J is slow, instead of A2J is a re tard?

I agree, if it's used in a bad way jes like anythin else then staff should act on it, because it's no longer in a discussion, it's resorted to name callin. If there is a concern that staff wouldn't think it to be an inuslt, I would imagine a staff notice could go out, er a link to this discussion, er maybe they've got some secret thread wit filtered words in it that can be stickied into.

For ligitimate uses I think the word should be allowed, anythin else there are already rules governin the conduct of folks.

[Tenebrae]

I absolutely hate the word when used in relation to people with any form of disability. I worked with people that had an intellectual disability for over three years and had more than one arguement with my mum for calling them retarded.


However to ban the use of it altogether is just silly.


It takes sentences like this


A mixture of baking soda and vinegar can be used to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] mould growth

I could think of more, however its 6.30pm, I have just finished work. So I will leave it with this


OVERKILL:sigh:

[constance]

I don't think adding [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] to the filter is necessary - I say "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] the growth of" at least once a week.

HOWEVER, if you refer to someone as a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], you should get an infraction.

[snoochface]

I don't think adding [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] to the filter is necessary - I say "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] the growth of" at least once a week.

HOWEVER, if you refer to someone as a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], you should get an infraction.
Can you please bring this to the attention of whomever might need to see it to discuss its removal from the filter?

[Tenebrae]

I don't think adding [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] to the filter is necessary - I say "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] the growth of" at least once a week.

HOWEVER, if you refer to someone as a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], you should get an infraction.


I totally agree with this and second snoochfaces request

[Lisa0315]

Your point is that you don't like it when people noun this particular verb, so you want the verb censored in its uninflected form so people can't noun it.

Or am I mistaken about your point?

I am just curious why people insist that the word [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] be used. As I have said, even when used legitimately, even seeing the word used in ANY context is hurtful because of how people HAVE used it in a mean way.

If the N word had a legitimate use, would you argue to be able to use it legitimately? Would you consider that censorship or would you believe that eliminating the word in all uses is the right thing to do?

And, please do not tell me it is not the same thing simply because the harm done is not on as great of a scale. Tell that to the handicapped and the families who love them.

Lisa

[snoochface]

My point, again, is where does it stop? I've been teased and insulted most of my life for being fat, I've found it hurtful and demeaning, and there's a lot of pain associated with it. Does that mean I can ask for "fat" to be added to the word filter so I never have to see it used in any other context? Do people need to revert to the term "low-grease diet" so I don't have to see "fat" used in a way that might offend me and remind me of past hurts?

It goes too far. This word has legitimate uses, yet the words "moron" and "idiot" do not -- why aren't they filtered too? We filter a word with a real, common usage, because it has a use that is hurtful, but we leave words alone that have no purpose in any context but to insult.

I'm not advocating for including those words in the filter, I'm trying to point out what a slippery slope this is.

[Lisa0315]

My point, again, is where does it stop? I've been teased and insulted most of my life for being fat, I've found it hurtful and demeaning, and there's a lot of pain associated with it. Does that mean I can ask for "fat" to be added to the word filter so I never have to see it used in any other context? Do people need to revert to the term "low-grease diet" so I don't have to see "fat" used in a way that might offend me and remind me of past hurts?

It goes too far. This word has legitimate uses, yet the words "moron" and "idiot" do not -- why aren't they filtered too? We filter a word with a real, common usage, because it has a use that is hurtful, but we leave words alone that have no purpose in any context but to insult.

I'm not advocating for including those words in the filter, I'm trying to point out what a slippery slope this is.

Well, the obvious reason is that a black person cannot change their color and a handicapped person cannot help their disability.

Second, while people may recognize the insult behind moron, idiot, and fat, "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]" has become an amusing funny insult that most people do not take seriously. This is about awareness as much as it is about censoring.

People just do not get it. People say crazy. People say "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]" and no one thinks about how hurtful these words are to those who are suffering or who love someone with such a disability.

Lisa

[snoochface]

Well, the obvious reason is that a black person cannot change their color and a handicapped person cannot help their disability.

Second, while people may recognize the insult behind moron, idiot, and fat, "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]" has become an amusing funny insult that most people do not take seriously. This is about awareness as much as it is about censoring.

People just do not get it. People say crazy. People say "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]" and no one thinks about how hurtful these words are to those who are suffering or who love someone with such a disability.

Lisa
Then what is wrong with the moderators enforcing the rules when the word is used inappropriately? That accomplishes the same thing, without removing the ability to use a word in a perfectly inoffensive context.

[Lisa0315]

Then what is wrong with the moderators enforcing the rules when the word is used inappropriately? That accomplishes the same thing, without removing the ability to use a word in a perfectly inoffensive context.

Getting them to take it seriously.

Second, think of the awareness this raises. It is not just about censoring a word or an attempt to control someone's behavior. I mean if people really want to say retard as an insult, a stupid internet rule is not going to stop them. However, for those who never thought about it before, who were just ignorantly hurtful, this is a good way to teach people.

I do not expect everyone to agree with it, and you may very well suceed in getting Lee to unfilter it. However, it was something that I felt very strongly about and I was not alone. I don't know where those people are now, but it did have a great deal of support. It may be that Lee has a handicapped person in his life and understands the pain this word causes.

Lisa

[constance]

It's out.

However, there will be ZERO tolerance for the usage of the word in an inappropriate way.

Report it if you see it.

[snoochface]

It's out.

However, there will be ZERO tolerance for the usage of the word in an inappropriate way.

Report it if you see it.
Thank you. And I agree, there should be zero tolerance for an inappropriate use of the word.

[ravenscape]

I don't appreciate the implication that anyone who doesn't support the filtering of this word is insensitive or clueless about the hurt of the insult.

Not true.

[Lisa0315]

I don't appreciate the implication that anyone who doesn't support the filtering of this word is insensitive or clueless about the hurt of the insult.

Not true.

I don't think it was said or implied but whatever...I happen to think that there are certain things that must be experienced before they can truly be empathised with. As I said this was as much about raising awareness as it was about filtering the word.

Nothing wrong with raising awareness, and I bet that I did that even if it was in just a small way.

Lisa

[ravenscape]

Once again, what makes you think that none of the people who opposed this word in the swear filter HAVE NO EXPERIENCE?

Not true.

[Lisa0315]

Once again, what makes you think that none of the people who opposed this word in the swear filter HAVE NO EXPERIENCE?

Not true.

Let it go Raven.

Start a fight with someone else. I care about this but I would like to be gracious in losing. Would you allow me that courtesy, please?

Perhaps, if you would allow me five minutes to recover, I may be more willing to examine my own words for offense.

Lisa

[Teshi]

Once again, what makes you think that none of the people who opposed this word in the swear filter HAVE NO EXPERIENCE?

Not true.

Yeah. I have two siblings with IQs below 70, which is the textbook definition of "mentally retarded." I abhor its use as an insult. I used to beat kids up for picking on my sister. But filtering it makes no sense, since it has entirely legitimate, common unrelated uses.

Not everything has to be all personal.

[LadyOfMilkweedManor]

People can be offended by anything they want, Yeah? Whose job is it to say 'don't make it personal' or 'that shouldn't offend you'
I've contemplated suicide because of how cruel and hurtful people where to me and my sister. I thought that it would be better to be dead than to have to live with a disability and getting made fun of for the rest of my life. I self injure becasue of self hatred associated with my disability. I'm also developing an eating disorder because I hate myself so much. Sure no one *made* me hate myself, but a whole lot of people sure contributed to me that I was/am different and different=wrong.

Peoples experiences are so vast and varied that just becuase your fine with the word being used as you know people you have low IQs doesn't mean that everyone has had that experience. Just like others probably hasn't had the same experience as me.

I don't care if it is censored or not, what I care about is the lack of respect of other memebers and back biting going on because of a WORD being censored. One of the reasons I wanted to go a Christain forum for support was to get away from all the hurtfullness I experienced on a different forum, but this one seems no different. Sure everyone makes mistakes, but I guess I somehow expected more out this one.
Now I'm all peeved, I have to go cool off.

[snoochface]

People can be offended by anything they want, Yeah? Whose job is it to say 'don't make it personal' or 'that shouldn't offend you'
I've contemplated suicide because of how cruel and hurtful people where to me and my sister. I thought that it would be better to be dead than to have to live with a disability and getting made fun of for the rest of my life. I self injure becasue of self hatred associated with my disability. I'm also developing an eating disorder because I hate myself so much. Sure no one *made* me hate myself, but a whole lot of people sure contributed to me that I was/am different and different=wrong.

Peoples experiences are so vast and varied that just becuase your fine with the word being used as you know people you have low IQs doesn't mean that everyone has had that experience. Just like others probably hasn't had the same experience as me.

I don't care if it is censored or not, what I care about is the lack of respect of other memebers and back biting going on because of a WORD being censored. One of the reasons I wanted to go a Christain forum for support was to get away from all the hurtfullness I experienced on a different forum, but this one seems no different. Sure everyone makes mistakes, but I guess I somehow expected more out this one.
Now I'm all peeved, I have to go cool off.
Maybe you're misunderstanding the motive behind the request. No one is advocating removing the word from the censor so it can be used in a hurtful, demeaning, flaming way.

The word can be used in very appropriate ways - such as medications that can [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] one's growth, just for one example. If the word is used as a flame or to hurt someone, there will be zero tolerance for that. An infraction will be given to the person who does so.

I'm sorry that you have been so hurt in the past. This issue should not cause that kind of behavior to become acceptable here at all.

.

ETA: Okay, I thought the word was removed from the censor. Why do I still have [wash my mouth]s up there when I used it? Constance?

[LadyOfMilkweedManor]

I was making the point that someone shouldn't tell me what I should or shouldn't take personally. I'm *not* ignorant, I'm not stupid. I know the many uses of the word. I already posted about what the word is supposed to mean.
I just hate it when people tell me what the flipping heck should or shouldn't offend me. I'm sensitive when it comes to things like this, probably more so than I should be. But until I've seen a refersal in how people with disabilities are treated, my cynical view remains the same.
I'm all fine with the word being used as it was orginally intended, thats all fine and good and well.
Its the other worthless tripe people spew out of their mouths I have a problem with.

[Lisa0315]

I was making the point that someone shouldn't tell me what I should or shouldn't take personally. I'm *not* ignorant, I'm not stupid. I know the many uses of the word. I already posted about what the word is supposed to mean.
I just hate it when people tell me what the flipping heck should or shouldn't offend me. I'm sensitive when it comes to things like this, probably more so than I should be. But until I've seen a refersal in how people with disabilities are treated, my cynical view remains the same.
I'm all fine with the word being used as it was orginally intended, thats all fine and good and well.
Its the other worthless tripe people spew out of their mouths I have a problem with.

You are precious to God and never forget it.

Many times I think God allows suffering such as you have endured so that we can touch other people. Try to focus on raising awareness. That is your gift. Look at how beautifully you express yourself. Through the internet, you can take this message to the world.

I want to challenge you to set your sorrow and pain aside and reach out to others who have suffered as you have. Use the understanding and empathy that you have to help lift up others who are enduring the same thing.

I did not casually add you to my buddy list. I am here for you if you ever ever need to talk to anyone.

Lisa

[E-beth]

I am sorry that some of you are more sensitive to the word. I hate that anyone calls someone that as a derogatory term.

That being said, it certainly sets a dangerous precedent. It is so easy to insult someone if you really want to. You can insult someone with the most innocent of words. You can insult someone using Scripture. But you certainly aren't going to ban that, are ya. The rules are designed to prevent bad behavior, regardless of the words used. We should trust that the moderators act on any and all reports, and try to remember that our experiences are our own and we can't expect the whole CF population to share our sensitivities.

[Addicted2~Jesus]

My goodness... I'm not the sharpest knief in the drawer, I git made fun of all the time, I suffer from ... git ready for me to try an spell this.... dislexia. I cain't spell worth a hoot, cain't talk worth a flip, should I therefore advocate for the valid word of deslexia to be censored? Jes cause there *might* be the chance that someones goin to call me deslexic? I mean it would be the truth anyways... I really fail to see why folks would git their feathers in a fluff over sumthin, I agree, it sets a dangerous precedent.

It's been my expereince that folks havta choose to be upset er offended by what someone else says. I realize my skin may be thicker er thinner then some others, but in the end, it's our choice as to wether er not we are offended by sumthin er nother. That doesn't mean that the word(s) should be filtered.

I know some of you would remember, but for those that don't, staff used to hand out infractions for [washmymouthout]'s. Claimin that is an attempt to bypass the filter. If we start addin legitmate words to the filter we're goin to go down a nasty slipperly slope. Anytime there's a [washmymouthout] no one but the poster actually knows what was said an wit legitmate words there it's jes a recipe for shear disaster.

Kinda like the big todo here a couple years back bout the word cloritirous. Bet that's spelled wrong as well hehe it's a legitamate word! The usage, much like re tarded etc is what comes into question, not the actual word used.

[constance]

Lee is working on it.
and this:
the word cloritirous. Bet that's spelled wrong as well hehe
is the funniest thing I have read all week. I had to sound it out about 8 times. Maybe you should mosey over to MCO and learn more about it. :) :)

[Crazy Liz]

My goodness... I'm not the sharpest knief in the drawer, I git made fun of all the time, I suffer from ... git ready for me to try an spell this.... dislexia.
dyslexia

Dyslexia

DYSLEXIA

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia


^_^


^_^

^_^

[Addicted2~Jesus]

dyslexia

Dyslexia

DYSLEXIA

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia

dyslexia


^_^


^_^

^_^

Hey!!! I wasn't to far off hehee *pat *pat :P

[Addicted2~Jesus]

Lee is working on it.
and this:

is the funniest thing I have read all week. I had to sound it out about 8 times. Maybe you should mosey over to MCO and learn more about it. :) :)

Oh I know what it is an what to do wit it... jes cain't speel it for nuthin ;)

[constance]

Look! CaDan's Pony! Too bad it's gone all maverick on us. I wish someone had a lasso that would chase that pony down...

[Crazy Liz]

Is the filter fixed?

to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

I [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
he/she/it retards

we [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
you [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]
they [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

[Auntie]

LOL, you guys are so funny.:)

Ya know, lots of stuff on the Internet offends me. I try to just ignore it. Lots of stuff at CF offends me. Much more than just mere words. I try to just ignore it.

[Auntie]

My point, again, is where does it stop? I've been teased and insulted most of my life for being fat, I've found it hurtful and demeaning, and there's a lot of pain associated with it. Does that mean I can ask for "fat" to be added to the word filter so I never have to see it used in any other context? Do people need to revert to the term "low-grease diet" so I don't have to see "fat" used in a way that might offend me and remind me of past hurts?

It goes too far. This word has legitimate uses, yet the words "moron" and "idiot" do not -- why aren't they filtered too? We filter a word with a real, common usage, because it has a use that is hurtful, but we leave words alone that have no purpose in any context but to insult.

I'm not advocating for including those words in the filter, I'm trying to point out what a slippery slope this is.


The word "fat" needs to be filtered out.

[Auntie]

Well, the obvious reason is that a black person cannot change their color and a handicapped person cannot help their disability.



Lisa


What a derogatory statement you are making against fat people. You are beyond ignorant if you don't realize that most people who are overweight suffer from a handicap just as serious as any other disability. Shame on you.

[Lisa0315]

What a derogatory statement you are making against fat people. You are beyond ignorant if you don't realize that most people who are overweight suffer from a handicap just as serious as any other disability. Shame on you.

People may have a genetic tendency to be overweight, but it is something that can be changed. Mental Retardation and the color of one's skin cannot be changed. Being fat is not a handicap unless the underlying cause of the obesity is due to another handicap. Many mentally retarded folks are overweight. My husband is overweight, but then, my husband can barely walk.

If one is healthy in all other respects, it can be overcome. So, stop acting like it is a disability. It isn't.

Lisa

[Addicted2~Jesus]

People may have a genetic tendency to be overweight, but it is something that can be changed. Mental Retardation and the color of one's skin cannot be changed. Being fat is not a handicap unless the underlying cause of the obesity is due to another handicap. Many mentally retarded folks are overweight. My husband is overweight, but then, my husband can barely walk.

If one is healthy in all other respects, it can be overcome. So, stop acting like it is a disability. It isn't.

Lisa

mmmmmmm..... don't that sound like the pot callin the kettle. Who is it agin that decides what is an is not a disability? Who decides what is an is not normal? What is normal an who claims to know? Why is obesity not a handicap yet mental retardation is? Er why is mental retardation a handicap but a body that's had all four limbs destroyed doesn't consider themsef's handicapped? I'm really rather confused. While there are thins that folks can do to help their weight, that is not the same thin as bein able to fix it er the like. I knew a mentally retarded guy years ago, an I member he was the one tellin me that if he practiced a certain, like a rythme in the way he wanted to learn sumthin it came very easy to em. Could the same not be said for mentally handicapped folks? That they actually could do sumthin bout it so "stop actin like they cain't"?

In alot of ways, I think ever dern one of us is handicapped, we're all full of sin an have handicapped er retarded our spirit. I kinda think what is sin to one an may not be sin to another applies here, what handicaps one person may not handicap another.

[Lisa0315]

mmmmmmm..... don't that sound like the pot callin the kettle. Who is it agin that decides what is an is not a disability? Who decides what is an is not normal? What is normal an who claims to know? Why is obesity not a handicap yet mental retardation is? Er why is mental retardation a handicap but a body that's had all four limbs destroyed doesn't consider themsef's handicapped? I'm really rather confused. While there are thins that folks can do to help their weight, that is not the same thin as bein able to fix it er the like. I knew a mentally retarded guy years ago, an I member he was the one tellin me that if he practiced a certain, like a rythme in the way he wanted to learn sumthin it came very easy to em. Could the same not be said for mentally handicapped folks? That they actually could do sumthin bout it so "stop actin like they cain't"?

In alot of ways, I think ever dern one of us is handicapped, we're all full of sin an have handicapped er retarded our spirit. I kinda think what is sin to one an may not be sin to another applies here, what handicaps one person may not handicap another.

I have no idea what you just said.

Lisa

[Addicted2~Jesus]

I have no idea what you just said.

Lisa

Well........ what else is new? :D

[Auntie]

I have no idea what you just said.

Lisa

What he said was don't throw a blanket of judgement over a whole group of people who might be suffering just as much as another group of people.


Well........ what else is new? :D


:wave:

[Lisa0315]

What he said was don't throw a blanket of judgement over a whole group of people who might be suffering just as much as another group of people.





:wave:

Thanks for the interpretation.

Lisa

[SallyNow]

There are no other uses for the n-word but the derogatory one. There are many other very legitimate, and even common, uses for this word.

Lisa, Brittany, I understand the hurt that can be caused from the improper use of the word. I really do, and I don't want to wish that hurt on anyone. I just really believe the better way to handle it is to let the moderators do their job and enforce flaming and inappropriate uses when it becomes necessary.

This is a dangerous trend. Before you know it we won't be able to talk about pussy-cats, or the fact that Peter betrayed Jesus before the cock crowed, or mention our love for old Dick Tracy comics. Where does it end?

Quoted for truth.

Words can be used for pain. But to compare a word that has so many legit uses to the "N" word is going (IMO) way too far. Yes, the "r" word can be used to be hateful, unkind, rude... but it is also often used by reasonable adults in reasonable conversations in ways which have nothing to do with hurting others.

I understand that the "r" word can be used in very cruel ways. But I can't think of how it would be possible to ban every word that can be used in a very cruel way, yet which also had legit uses, and still have reasonable conversations.

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

Too bad they can't have a filter that will make listed words stand out to mods to make it easier to monitor how those words are being used on the forum. At least then they can skim an uninteresting thread and find those occurrences of "Balaam's..." vs "Kiss my..." and "You..." vs "It will...the growth of..."

[Mary_Magdalene]

im 5'11" and when i was in school people used to call me the "jolly green giant"... :cry:

[Crazy Liz]

Has the filter been fixed yet?

<test>
retard
</test>

[Crazy Liz]

Yup.

[snoochface]

Yup.
Thanks, I was wondering too.

[snoochface]

Can anyone explain to me why s-c-h-m-u-c-k is in the filter?? :doh:

[Teshi]

Apparently it's a rude Yiddish word for "penis" :doh:

[snoochface]

Apparently it's a rude Yiddish word for "penis" :doh:
Well, okay then, as long as there is a sensical reason for it. You know, because of all of us who speak Yiddish on a daily basis, especially here on the forums. :sigh:

Can this word please be removed as well? I tried to quote an article today which used the phrase "poor schmuc-k" and got my mouth washed out. Come on, now. We're not four year olds.

[snoochface]

Apparently it's a rude Yiddish word for "penis" :doh:
Funny that "penis" itself is not censored, but the Yiddish word for it is. :D

[TheDag]

I've personally never heard anyone say you epileptic as an insult or you dyslexic or you diabetic as an insult. To say that people should not get upset when someone says you retard because those of us who have these other conditions don't get upset is not understanding the difference imo. You retard is an insult. A quick look at sites like dictionary.com will give plenty of ideas for other words or phrases to use to get across your meaning for an appropiate use. Although I do agree that it is going a bit far to censor it all the same. Although the wierdest one I ever came across is the word a c c o u n t when I used it in the phrase you should open your own bank a c c o u n t. We had a good laugh over that being censored!

[Teshi]

account

account account account


Looks okay to me!

[TheDag]

account

account account account


Looks okay to me!
It was a couple of months ago so maybe it has been fixed since then. It was rather funny though!

[snoochface]

[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

sch-muck

Please remove this censor, seriously.

[Lisa0315]

Unbelievable...:mad:

[habeas]

I absolutely hate the word when used in relation to people with any form of disability. I worked with people that had an intellectual disability for over three years and had more than one arguement with my mum for calling them retarded.


However to ban the use of it altogether is just silly.


It takes sentences like this


A mixture of baking soda and vinegar can be used to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]


Interesting...I use a mixture of baking soda and vinegar to wash my mouth too. :sorry:

Actually, I drink a mixture of it; it has wonderful health benefits! :blush:

[gigman]

My bad.