Do pro-life presidents torture?

[SpyridonOCA]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/opinion/14kristof.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin


Many of the Arabs we hold as "enemy combatants" are innocent of any involvement with terrorism. Our torturing them to receive false confessions is not only a war crime. It inflames the very Islamic extremism that we claim to be fighting against. How anti-freedom, how anti-life is that? How many innocents need to be tortued and killed in our gulag? How is this pro-life?

[Ivy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/opinion/14kristof.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin


Many of the Arabs we hold as "enemy combatants" are innocent of any involvement with terrorism. Our torturing them to receive false confessions is not only a war crime. It inflames the very Islamic extremism that we claim to be fighting against. How anti-freedom, how anti-life is that? How many innocents need to be tortued and killed in our gulag? How is this pro-life?

:( I know. I'm so disappointed in our country, so disappointed. This is so wrong.

[PaladinGirl]

It really makes you wonder if "pro-life" presidents aren't notorious for torturing doesn't it? Thing is, these "pro-life" politicians are far from truly being pro-life or even Christian for that matter. I personally sincerely hope that we get a Democrat elected in and that Bush is then taken to trial for war crimes and imprisoned.

[Thekla]

except, I'm not convinced
Democrats are any "better" in their own right.

Jimmy Carter supported the Salvadoran Junta -- who killed Archbishop Romero (days after he asked Carter to reconsider supporting the Junta). How many died as a result ? Including children.

Bill Clinton sent Mujahadin into Bosnia as shock-troops -- during a Civil War that was advertised as an ethnic/religious conflict. If Clinton really believed that, then he deliberately added fuel to the fire.

The list could go on and on and on. Pro-life ? I personally think the water at the White House is bad - it effects everyone who drinks it, in a quietly monstrous way :(

(edited to add: I voted for Clinton's first term. )

[rusmeister]

As long as you believe that your vote makes a difference on

a)who sits in the chair in the Oval office
and
b)that that person will really be able to control huge forces in motion that are institutionalized and really outside anyone's control,

you will think it vitally important to vote.

Me, I think the vote is really about who gets the better pension when they leave the White House.

[SpyridonOCA]

Rusmeister, I don't believe you appreciate the potential of Obama's candidacy. The fact is, it's not about Obama. It's about us. It's about getting people interested in taking back our government. It's about overcoming defeatism and reinvigorating our commitment to the public good, the Golden Rule.

[rusmeister]

Spyridon, have you spoken to your priest about what I have said to you?

[SpyridonOCA]

Spyridon, have you spoken to your priest about what I have said to you?

I'm having confession soon, and that is one thing that we will discuss. While I don't support Hillary Clinton, I don't believe she deserves the contempt I've felt for her, and it's something that's hurt my heart. It's gotten me questioning whether it's out of fear of having a woman as the most powerful leader in the world.

[rusmeister]

Why does your heart hurt so much for people you don't know? It's hard enough to become close to people we never see on an internet forum. Why should you pour so much into people who aren't your neighbors (or 'blizhnye' in Russian), but merely distant strangers. I can understand intellectual concern, but emotional involvement...?

[nikolayalexandroff]

Me, I think the vote is really about who gets the better pension when they leave the White House.

I'd voted for you just because of this reason:).

[SpyridonOCA]

Why does your heart hurt so much for people you don't know? It's hard enough to become close to people we never see on an internet forum. Why should you pour so much into people who aren't your neighbors (or 'blizhnye' in Russian), but merely distant strangers. I can understand intellectual concern, but emotional involvement...?

Because the amount of disgust I've had for her is contemptible. Despite not being particularly likable, there is nothing Hillary Clinton has done to harm me as a human being.

[SpyridonOCA]

THE ENEMY AT HOME:
THE CULTURAL LEFT AND ITS RESPONSIBILITY FOR 9/11
by Dinesh D'Souza
http://www.dineshdsouza.com/books/enemy-intro.html

According to Dinesh D'Souza, a conservative Christian Reaganite if there ever was one, the terrorists don't hate us because of our freedoms and economic prosperity. It is because they perceive us as a morally weak and culturally decadent society content in exporting our cultural values to the Islamic world.

This is exactly what bin Laden has stated from the beginning, which is why he considered it blasphemy for us, "the Great Satan," to have military bases in Saudi Arabia. If we are going to end Islamic extremism, we need to understand the true motivations of those who want to kill us.

[rusmeister]

Unsubscribing.

[Gr8lakes]

The fact is, it's not about Obama. It's about us. It's about getting people interested in taking back our government. It's about overcoming defeatism and reinvigorating our commitment to the public good, the Golden Rule.

Spyridon,
I couldn't agree more. It's thrilling to see people getting involved and investing again in their democracy.