Putin talks about Kosovo!

[Philothei]

Last Updated: Thursday, 17 January 2008, 12:15 GMT http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/dot_629.gif
Putin urges consensus on Kosovo

Serbia's leader said independence would be resisted peacefully

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said any decision on Kosovo's fate must be agreed by Belgrade and Pristina.
His UN envoy earlier said that world bodies would not recognise Kosovo if it declared unilateral independence.
The Serb province's ethnic Albanians are set to declare independence with conditional US and EU backing, despite opposition from Belgrade and Moscow.
Talks on Kosovo's future, brokered by the EU, US and Russia, ended last year without agreement.
Kosovo has been run by the UN since 1999, when a US-led Nato bombing campaign drove out Serb forces accused of a brutal crackdown on ethnic Albanian separatism.
Ethnic Albanians now form about 90% of the province's population.
'Decision time'
"Any resolution on Kosovo must be approved by both sides," Mr Putin argued in an article published in the Bulgarian press to coincide with his visit to the country.
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Boris Tadic
Serbian President



"It is also clear that any resolution on Kosovo will set a precedent in international practice," Mr Putin said.
Russia has previously warned that a unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo could set a dangerous precedent for separatist struggles elsewhere in the former Soviet Union.
Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci told the UN Security Council on Wednesday that independence was necessary for "regional success".
Mr Thaci, whose Democratic Party emerged out of the Kosovo Liberation Army rebel group, said a declaration of independence was only a matter of time.
Moscow meanwhile said Kosovo would never be accepted as a state by the United Nations or other world political bodies if it declared independence.
Its UN envoy was backing Serbian President Boris Tadic who reiterated to the UN Security Council that Belgrade would never accept a sovereign Kosovo.
A US envoy said talks had stalled and it was time to take a decision.
Non-violence pledge
As a permanent veto-wielding member of the 15-nation Security Council, Russia has the power to block any request by Kosovo to join the UN.
Most Kosovo Albanians see no future as part of Serbia


"[Kosovo Albanians] would not become members of the United Nations, they would not become members of international political institutions ... if they go down the road of unilateral declarations," Russian envoy Vitaly Churkin told reporters in New York.
Serbia's president told the Security Council his country would never recognise Kosovo's independence and would "preserve its territorial integrity and sovereignty by all democratic means, legal arguments and diplomacy".
"Serbia will not resort to violence and war," he added, urging a "compromise acceptable to both sides".
Mr Tadic said unilateral recognition of Kosovo's independence would have "unforeseeable consequences for other regions fraught with problems of ethnic separatism".
He shook hands with Mr Thaci, who afterwards told a reporter:
"We shook hands as the leaders of two independent countries."
US envoy Zalmay Khalilzad said the Security Council had failed to solve the dispute over Kosovo and no longer had any role to play in the determination of its status.
"The ultimate solution obviously for the problem of that region is to integrate into the broader European institutions, particularly the EU," he added.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7193225.stm
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Lord have mercy.

Philothei

[EmperorConstantine]

As much as I have to commend Putin for not taking the popular view, I still fear war may be coming.

The West is adamant on Kosovo either being its own state or part of Albania while forgetting that taking Kosovo from Serbia would be like taking New York and Washington DC from the US. And like taking London from the UK.

I am happy that Boris Tadic was re-elected president, because if the other guy had been elected than the West would only see another Milosevic and most likely avoid working with him and his government.

Unfortunately, a scenario that I can see played out is another World War. Kosovo declares independence, Serbia "invades", the Union or NATO invade to repel Serb forces while Russia helps Serbia. Russia even post-Cold War still has A LOT of tanks and weapons.

Lord Have Mercy.:crosseo:

[Philothei]

Na, I cannot forsee war that area is way too sensitive...What I think will happen is longer .... peace corps standing by for years maybe decades... to come. Look at the Cypriot problem ... still not solved. BTW in the Greek TV they said that Putin said that Kosovo should not be solved as the Cypriot situation has presidence... He said that they would have to solve that problem first and recognize the Turkish-Cypriot nation before they recognize Kosovo.. and he does have a point IMO

[buzuxi02]

Once again the EU is trying to force Islam down every christian's throat by accepting yet another fraudulent "european muslim" nation into their continent and into their ranks.

First Albania, then Bosnia & Hercegovina, now its Kosovo and soon to be Turkey and Northern Cyprus (as a seperate muslim country from greek Cyprus).

[Philothei]

the pressure is not comming from Eu alone... let's be real US and Nato are the ones that push... it is not a secret....

[Philothei]

edti doube post

[EmperorConstantine]

Na, I cannot forsee war that area is way too sensitive...What I think will happen is longer .... peace corps standing by for years maybe decades... to come. Look at the Cypriot problem ... still not solved. BTW in the Greek TV they said that Putin said that Kosovo should not be solved as the Cypriot situation has presidence... He said that they would have to solve that problem first and recognize the Turkish-Cypriot nation before they recognize Kosovo.. and he does have a point IMO
He does. Cyprus, being divided as it is now, has only been such since 1974. Kosovo has been problematic for quite a few centuries.

Yeah, he makes a point.


Once again the EU is trying to force Islam down every christian's throat by accepting yet another fraudulent "european muslim" nation into their continent and into their ranks.

First Albania, then Bosnia & Hercegovina, now its Kosovo and soon to be Turkey and Northern Cyprus (as a seperate muslim country from greek Cyprus).
I do agree here since historically the only time when any part of Europe was Muslim was under the Ottomans and the Moors.

[SpyridonOCA]

John McCain has threatened to confront Putin. Please don't support him for president.

[Philothei]

"The European Union, with Washington's backing, has offered to support Kosovo's independence. President Bush said in Albania last summer that "the time is now" to make Kosovo independent. Last week, State Department spokesman Tom Casey said the United States wants to see Kosovo's status "resolved and resolved in the not-too-distant future"


Backing ....is good....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-02-13-kosovo_N.htm?csp=34

[Philothei]

.... like the others will suport Putin?

[SpyridonOCA]

.... like the others will suport Putin?

Both Hillary Clinton and John McCain have attempted to stir up hostilities with Russia. I don't know of Obama doing the same thing.

[EmperorConstantine]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-02-13-kosovo_N.htm?csp=34

"The EU is preparing to send in police and justice officials to help ensure that the province's Slavic Serb minority, which accounts for 5.3% of the population, will be included in a government and protected."

I highly doubt this.

"Russia has consistently voiced opposition to involvement in the region by NATO, which Moscow sees as an organization that exists primarily to limit Russia's power."

Well, NATO was started to contain Communism and the Soviet Union of which Russia was a significant part. Has the mission really changed?

[EmperorConstantine]

Both Hillary Clinton and John McCain have attempted to stir up hostilities with Russia. I don't know of Obama doing the same thing.
McCain because he's a product of the Cold War and Vietnam.

Hillary because being a country which supports Russia is like being the one friend of the kid in the corner that nobody likes and if you help him than you loose credibility.

[SpyridonOCA]

Obama would be a chance to finally overthrow the baby boom generation from power. YES! We need a Putin-friendly president!!!

[EmperorConstantine]

Obama would be a chance to finally overthrow the baby boom generation from power. YES! We need a Putin-friendly president!!!
Is Obama Russia friendly?

[Philothei]

take from someone who had her brother part fo the peace keeping back in the 90s... that the EU will police (to the best of their ability)...I have no doubt about that... part. But this is hardly a solution though...

I have no idea where NATO stands right now....

[SpyridonOCA]

Is Obama Russia friendly?

Obama has stated that he not only wants to end the Iraq war, but also the very mindset which sent us to war in the first place. He is willing to negotiate with world leaders, including Syria and Iran. It seems, then, that he'd be willing to negotiate peace with Putin.

[EmperorConstantine]

take from someone who had her brother part fo the peace keeping back in the 90s... that the EU will police (to the best of their ability)...I have no doubt about that... part. But this is hardly a solution though...

I have no idea where NATO stands right now....
I don't even think NATO knows if it is standing.

[nestoj]

It's not the EU sending the police force is a problem, but the way they send them is - it's breaking of resolution 1244 of the UN and by that the first strike to the international law (they are sending a mission to the UN protected teritory without the consent of the UN). It is also the first step in recognizing the Kosovo and Metohia as the independent state. Because of that we almost certanly won't sign the association and stabilization pact with the EU (first step in becoming a member) and there is always a possibility that Tadic although he just won (i'm the member of his democratic party) won't last long on the position of the President. We are being pushed by the west into the aliance with Russia (not that I mind, but for a time I thought west might). I just hope EU and US find a good ally in Albania for future chalenges cause they can count us out (I believe that was also said in front of the UN security council tonight).

nestoj
God helps

[Rick of Wessex]

Dear Philotei,

Look at the Cypriot problem ... still not solved. BTW in the Greek TV they said that Putin said that Kosovo should not be solved as the Cypriot situation has presidence... He said that they would have to solve that problem first and recognize the Turkish-Cypriot nation before they recognize Kosovo.. and he does have a point IMO

In my humble opinion, the Turks should be kicked out of Cyprus. In fact, if I could, I'd do it personally and literally.

The invasion in the 1970's was a criminal act. And of course the Western Powers turned a blind eye on that because at that time Turkey was a valuable and strategic ally against the Soviets... The US and Western Europe couldn't risk loosing the support of the Turks. It didn't matter that our churches and monasteries there were turned into nightclubs or public baths, or that Greek Cypriots were forced to leave their homes...

You know, all of this situation about Kosovo's illegal independence is just driving me crazy... I really don't know why. I don't even have any Serbian ancestry... perhaps I'm outraged by the fate of my Orthodox brothers who had to leave their land...

Believe me, I'm just fed up with all this hypocrisy by the EU and the US and their foreign policy... Clinton must be laughing his a** out loud now.

Argh! I can tell you I'm really, really p*ed... :mad:

[Thekla]

Dear Philotei,



In my humble opinion, the Turks should be kicked out of Cyprus.

The invasion in the 1970's was a criminal act. And of course the Western Powers turned a blind eye on that because at that time Turkey was a valuable and strategic ally against the Soviets... The US and Western Europe couldn't risk loosing the support of the Turks. It didn't matter that our churches and monasteries there were turned into nightclubs or public baths, or that Greek Cypriots were forced to leave their homes...

You know, all of this situation about Kosovo's illegal is just driving me crazy... I really don't know why. I don't even have any Serbian ancestry... perhaps I'm outraged by the fate of my Orthodox brothers who had to leave their land...

Believe me, I'm just fed up with all this hypocrisy by the EU and the US and their foreign policy... Clinton must be laughing his a** out loud now.

Argh! I can tell you I'm really, really p*ed... :mad:
adamantly : ditto !!!!

[EmperorConstantine]

Dear Philotei,



In my humble opinion, the Turks should be kicked out of Cyprus.

The invasion in the 1970's was a criminal act. And of course the Western Powers turned a blind eye on that because at that time Turkey was a valuable and strategic ally against the Soviets... The US and Western Europe couldn't risk loosing the support of the Turks. It didn't matter that our churches and monasteries there were turned into nightclubs or public baths, or that Greek Cypriots were forced to leave their homes...

You know, all of this situation about Kosovo's illegal is just driving me crazy... I really don't know why. I don't even have any Serbian ancestry... perhaps I'm outraged by the fate of my Orthodox brothers who had to leave their land...

Believe me, I'm just fed up with all this hypocrisy by the EU and the US and their foreign policy... Clinton must be laughing his a** out loud now.

Argh! I can tell you I'm really, really p*ed... :mad:
I hear ya, brother.

[Philothei]

Dear Philotei,



In my humble opinion, the Turks should be kicked out of Cyprus. In fact, if I could, I'd do it personally and literally.

The invasion in the 1970's was a criminal act. And of course the Western Powers turned a blind eye on that because at that time Turkey was a valuable and strategic ally against the Soviets... The US and Western Europe couldn't risk loosing the support of the Turks. It didn't matter that our churches and monasteries there were turned into nightclubs or public baths, or that Greek Cypriots were forced to leave their homes...

You know, all of this situation about Kosovo's illegal independence is just driving me crazy... I really don't know why. I don't even have any Serbian ancestry... perhaps I'm outraged by the fate of my Orthodox brothers who had to leave their land...

Believe me, I'm just fed up with all this hypocrisy by the EU and the US and their foreign policy... Clinton must be laughing his a** out loud now.

Argh! I can tell you I'm really, really p*ed... :mad:
I agree Rick....what else is new... Both EU and US are viloating the 1244.... if you know what that is ...and wich is in contra of the UN... but deaf ears.

This will flare up all other "sensitive" areas.... For example (mostly) Cyprus, and the Pseudo-nation of the Turkish-Cypriots..., Macedonian issue, and according to their logic I think we should split all European countries since they are not "homogenious" in their poplulation....

http://www.webcom.com/hrin/parker/selfdet.html

[EmperorConstantine]

Who else likes the idea of an independent Scotland? How about Wales? Quebec? Euskadi? I think my personal favorite would have to be Timor - United At Last!

[Philothei]

Who else likes the idea of an independent Scotland? How about Wales? Quebec? Euskadi? I think my personal favorite would have to be Timor - United At Last!
Britain will be the one to oppose... lol... Sure independent Scottland would be nice....or even Belgium will split....

[EmperorConstantine]

Britain will be the one to oppose... lol... Sure independent Scottland would be nice....or even Belgium will split....
Give the north to the Dutch and the south to the French.


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