The world view on 'Fundies'

[Revolution81]

I came across a site that posts threads that fundamentalist christians post on various web forums. They are usually written in ignorance and in the very least are a little bit silly, and at worst, unfortunatly make the poster, and all 'fundies' as they call them, look crazy and makes their belief structure appear foolish and not real.

This site laughs at these type of people and i would suppose for many people who visit it, it is proof in their minds that christianity is rubbish, and worse, that God is not real.

My question is in the light of comments made by some 'fundies' that make the world laugh at christianity, how is this kind of thing (posting fundamentalist views) attracting people to christianity, and at the very least not giving fuel to the 'atheist-fire'

[anonymous1515]

Although I am not a "Fundie," I see your point. It seems to me that many fundamentalists choose to be fundamentalists because they cannot understand scientific principles, or are too lazy to explore the subject matter thoroughly.

Although there are many Christian fundamentalists who have actually pondered over and understood both sides of the fundamentalist/non-fundamentalist "debate," many choose not to do the work simply because it takes effort. It is SO much easier to just lay back and say "well, if the bible says it, then I'll do it." Fundamentalism provides a safe haven for people with this kind of mentality.

[Revolution81]

One of the Mods suggested i add the point of the thread

I am trying to understand why fundamentalist christians try and argue specific fundamentalist christian points of belief with people who dont even beleive in God, let alone have a hope of understanding the 'law'. It frustrates me that people focus so much on the law and condemning people (ie homosexuals) when its much more important to spread the message of hope and love of God

you will have to admit that some of the comments made are more detramental than helpful

[Revolution81]

Although I am not a "Fundie," I see your point. It seems to me that many fundamentalists choose to be fundamentalists because they cannot understand scientific principles, or are too lazy to explore the subject matter thoroughly.

Although there are many Christian fundamentalists who have actually pondered over and understood both sides of the fundamentalist/non-fundamentalist "debate," many choose not to do the work simply because it takes effort. It is SO much easier to just lay back and say "well, if the bible says it, then I'll do it." Fundamentalism provides a safe haven for people with this kind of mentality.
i agree - its provided a safe-haven for me these few years, and now its all falling in around me its quite hard to distinguish the truth from the rest.

I am just grateful that i have had an experience of God which transends all the things that i have held as truth, which now i am no longer sure about

[FreeinChrist]

I came across a site that posts threads that fundamentalist christians post on various web forums. They are usually written in ignorance and in the very least are a little bit silly, and at worst, unfortunatly make the poster, and all 'fundies' as they call them, look crazy and makes their belief structure appear foolish and not real.

This site laughs at these type of people and i would suppose for many people who visit it, it is proof in their minds that christianity is rubbish, and worse, that God is not real.

My question is in the light of comments made by some 'fundies' that make the world laugh at christianity, how is this kind of thing (posting fundamentalist views) attracting people to christianity, and at the very least not giving fuel to the 'atheist-fire'
We can't help it if other people will take views or statements out of context and present them in a mocking way. We don't control them. We can only be responsible to God for ourselves.

The statements you have made include alot of presumption. Like "My question is in the light of comments made by some 'fundies' that make the world laugh at christianity, how is this kind of thing (posting fundamentalist views) attracting people to christianity, and at the very least not giving fuel to the 'atheist-fire'"

Does the world laugh at Christianity? Probably some do, but not all. And as Christians, are we to align ourselves with the world or with God?

And do some atheists need Fundies to light their fire? No. That fire is from within themselves and they will have to face God about it.

[FreeinChrist]

Although I am not a "Fundie," I see your point. It seems to me that many fundamentalists choose to be fundamentalists because they cannot understand scientific principles, or are too lazy to explore the subject matter thoroughly.

And there is more presumption here, though by another poster.
So you know alot of Fundmentalist Christians to have determined we are lazy and too unintelligent to understand scientific principles?

So I went to the University Of Michigan (no easy task to get in) and took chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemmistry, microbiology, pharmacology ...and later on taught neuroanatomy to critical care nurses, as well as the use of balloon pumps in critical heart patients and much more...but you assume because i am a Fundy that I would be unable to understand scientific prinicples?
hmmmm

[FreeinChrist]

One of the Mods suggested i add the point of the thread

I am trying to understand why fundamentalist christians try and argue specific fundamentalist christian points of belief with people who dont even beleive in God, let alone have a hope of understanding the 'law'. It frustrates me that people focus so much on the law and condemning people (ie homosexuals) when its much more important to spread the message of hope and love of God

you will have to admit that some of the comments made are more detramental than helpful

I don't argue Fundamental views with people who don't believe in God. And why do you include the "law'? The only law I am under as a Christian is the law of faith.

Why do you assume that Fundies don't spread the message of hope and love of God? The Fundies I know sure do.

[Revolution81]

you are generalising - i dont think that i have generalised in my comment regarding 'fundies' - i am specifically referring to those who post in ignorance and blind faith, in an attempt to win arguments against people who dont really believe the simple stuff anyway(simple stuff being the existance of God and/or Christ). The whole point of my argument is what is the point, and maybe trying to get people to think about what and why they believe and how bias, ignorant comments (eg 'i hate gays, and hope they burn in hell' and other comments that are anti-people rather than anti-sin) are detremental to the cause of the gospel, and just make people laugh at them.

You know the kind of comments i am talking about, usually in reference to homosexuality, atheism, or creation vs evolution.

visit www.fstdt.com (http://www.fstdt.com) and you will understand what i mean

that said, there are many fundamentalists who are not like this, who say things in truth AND love, who are intelligent and dont weigh into the atheism vs christian slinging match. I am not talking about these fundies -
whether or not i agree with what they say is a completly different debate! ;)

[anonymous1515]

And there is more presumption here, though by another poster.
So you know alot of Fundmentalist Christians to have determined we are lazy and too unintelligent to understand scientific principles?

So I went to the University Of Michigan (no easy task to get in) and took chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemmistry, microbiology, pharmacology ...and later on taught neuroanatomy to critical care nurses, as well as the use of balloon pumps in critical heart patients and much more...but you assume because i am a Fundy that I would be unable to understand scientific prinicples?
hmmmm
You have taken my statements out of context. I didn't say ALL fundamentalists are lazy and uneducated. In fact, I even included a sentence in my post contrary to that:

Although there are many Christian fundamentalists who have actually pondered over and understood both sides of the fundamentalist/non-fundamentalist "debate,"....

Am I to assume you were too lazy to read the rest of my post? :P

[FreeinChrist]

You have taken my statements out of context. I didn't say ALL fundamentalists are lazy and uneducated. In fact, I even included a sentence in my post contrary to that:

Although there are many Christian fundamentalists who have actually pondered over and understood both sides of the fundamentalist/non-fundamentalist "debate,"....

Am I to assume you were too lazy to read the rest of my post? :P
And you presume with "some".

[NewGuy101]

I came across a site that posts threads that fundamentalist christians post on various web forums. They are usually written in ignorance and in the very least are a little bit silly, and at worst, unfortunatly make the poster, and all 'fundies' as they call them, look crazy and makes their belief structure appear foolish and not real.

This site laughs at these type of people and i would suppose for many people who visit it, it is proof in their minds that christianity is rubbish, and worse, that God is not real.

My question is in the light of comments made by some 'fundies' that make the world laugh at christianity, how is this kind of thing (posting fundamentalist views) attracting people to christianity, and at the very least not giving fuel to the 'atheist-fire'
because there is stupid people who hold several world views, using stupidity as a tactic to attack the christian world view is a pathetic and weak tactic.

[anonymous1515]

And you presume with "some".
I don't see the word "some" anywhere in my post. But that is besides the point.

Do you not agree that fundamentalism provides a haven for people too lazy to learn about the theories they reject? Now, before you jump on me for this statement, read the next line please:

I am not saying creationism is necessarily for the stupid or lazy. I am saying that it ALLOWS for people who ARE to hold a position without question.

FreeinChrist, you seem to be an educated person, or so you claim. So I assume that you have pondered over the evidence for evolution/old earth and consciously decided that you do not think it is as likely as scientists claim.

HOWEVER....a person who has not ever studied evolution could just as easily reject it, without even thinking about it. All they have to say is "the Bible says otherwise."

[NewGuy101]

I don't see the word "some" anywhere in my post. But that is besides the point.

Do you not agree that fundamentalism provides a haven for people too lazy to learn about the theories they reject? Now, before you jump on me for this statement, read the next line please
No considering fundamentalist differ depending in their background. Some of them are more intellectual while others have a common worker background. I know very stupid and very lazy atheists who do nothing but call Christians stupid because they believe in a "magical God."

I am not saying creationism is necessarily for the stupid or lazy. I am saying that it ALLOWS for people who ARE to hold a position without question. How? Because they choose not to follow a naturalistic world view? Theology in itself is a complex study. With atheism one can basically say, "my life is no different than a bug so why bother getting up in the morning."

FreeinChrist, you seem to be an educated person, or so you claim. So I assume that you have pondered over the evidence for evolution/old earth and consciously decided that you do not think it is as likely as scientists claim. Because we dont all hold naturalist pressupositions? Anyways, there is fundies that hold to theistic evolution.

HOWEVER....a person who has not ever studied evolution could just as easily reject it, without even thinking about it. All they have to say is "the Bible says otherwise." Because the problem is epistemological. Christians hold scripture as their primary source of truth, NOT the natural world. Although we can learn a lot from the natural world about the creator the former is more reliable than the latter. Many christians can care less which process God used to develop mankind. (BTW I am not one of them, I am OLD EARTH creationist although I dont believe in macroevolution)

[shrewdsnake]

Well my beliefs are what they are because of study and prayer. I am not going to change them to suit a site full of people who's sole purpose is to make fun of a group of people for others to laugh at. I can't imagine that any atheists or Christian for that matter that visits the site really cares about others, God or Christ. And if they are going to a site that's sole purpose is to make people look bad what kind of open hearted seeking are they really doing? If others in Christianity have problems with Fundamentalist views they have some choices: don't believe the same thing and tell people about it or shut the people you don't like up. Are you ready to silence Christians you don't agree with?

[desmalia]

Do you not agree that fundamentalism provides a haven for people too lazy to learn about the theories they reject?
OK, not jumping all over you here, but I have to say this is a very interesting comment. It could be suggested that a statement such as this represents laziness in relying on ones own uneducated opinion about Fundamentalists instead of seeking to understand what Bible Fundamentalism actually is... ;)

Fundamentalism requires that each individual take the responsibility to know and live what the Scriptures say. There is nothing inherently lazy about that.

[NewGuy101]

OK, not jumping all over you here, but I have to say this is a very interesting comment. It could be suggested that a statement such as this represents laziness in relying on ones own uneducated opinion about Fundamentalists instead of seeking to understand what Bible Fundamentalism actually is... ;)

Fundamentalism requires that each individual take the responsibility to know and live what the Scriptures say. There is nothing inherently lazy about that.
I will agree that contemporary evangelicals are pretty lazy though. But that's across world views, every camp has it's lazy people. I know that the reformers and puritans were hardcore into the scriptures, philosophy and science.