Why I think ChiRho is a Rigid Orthodox Jerk!

[ChiRho]

There. I have even started the thread myself. This should be allowed since I have started it myself and am giving my consent to blast away. I will try to remain respectful while I defend myself.

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

[Rechtgläubig]

I was going to post something, but I am laughing too hard man.

Maybe later I can list my reasons...

^_^

[JMRE5150]

Chi Chi Chi...you never cease to amaze me, which is a good thing, I suppose.


This thread is soooo you, and funny, but I do believe even with consent it breaks rule #1:

.:Forum Rule 1:.
Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"

1) You will not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. This will include misquoting another member out of context. You may discuss another member's beliefs but there will be no personal attacks on the member himself or herself. This includes implied accusations that another member is not a Christian.

However, it was reported in the Staff Rooms, and we are discussing if this thread should be allowed to stay since you are personally asking for it.

You'll have to admit its alittle odd to actually 'ask' to be flamed, so you may not get the nod to keep the thread.

Staff may elect to do away with it based on the fact that some folks with lesser "thick skin" than yours might find this idea interesting at first, we allow them to do it, and then they realize their skin wasn't as thick as yours, and some real damage is done.
For the sake of a situation like that, this thread may be closed, mate.

I will let you know.

Robb

[ChiRho]

Well, I think that ChiRho is just an idiot. He never compromises! Everyone knows that the true measure of a man is his ability to compromise! We are an enlighten society, far more advanced than those that lived 500 years ago and four times more advanced and enlightened than the people Paul wrote about. Besides, everyone knows that Paul hated women and homosexuals and that is why he wrote what he did. Those are Paul's words not the Word of God, any biblical scholar can tell you that.

Ya know what....I doubt that ChiRho is even a Lutheran, he certainly doesnt sound like one. I actually heard him say that he really believes that the Book of Concord is completely true and the only true interpretation of Holy Writ! Moron!!

Umm..What is the Book of Concord?

WWJD,

One very typical and nominal "lutheran"

[JMRE5150]

Well, I think that ChiRho is just an idiot. He never compromises! Everyone knows that the true measure of a man is his ability to compromise! We are an enlighten society, far more advanced than those that lived 500 years ago and four times more advanced and enlightened than the people Paul wrote about. Besides, everyone knows that Paul hated women and homosexuals and that is why he wrote what he did. Those are Paul's words not the Word of God, any biblical scholar can tell you that.

Ya know what....I doubt that ChiRho is even a Lutheran, he certainly doesnt sound like one. I actually heard him say that he really believes that the Book of Concord is completely true and the only true interpretation of Holy Writ! Moron!!

Umm..What is the Book of Concord?

WWJD,

One very typical and nominal "lutheran"

LOL, thats hysterical.

Interesting way of getting your point across on other subjects in "an out about way", and a small stroke of genius.

We'll see if others agree in the staff rooms, or if they believe its a sly alterior way of bashing those that don't share your views...by...bashing...yourself...sorta...

I'm already getting confused :P

[Protoevangel]

I think ChiRho is a Rigid Orthodox Jerk because it takes one to know one! :P



So far there is only one person in these forums whom I have blatantly plagiarized in my discussions elsewhere, and it is my brother ChiRho (I did ask his permission first, though).



Come on ChiRho, get with the times; don’t you know that believing in truth is so last century? ;)

[LuxPerpetua]

ChiRho, I truly do admire your rigidity and firm values. I really do sympathize with you, and in this world of relativism and secularism it is nice to have friends who hold firm to Scripture--most of the time it's like running against the wind. However, before your head gets too swollen, I will add that you really should try and temper your opinions with a touch of grace and empathy occasionally, not so that you may "earn" heaven but rather out of the desire toward charity that Christ has put in you. It must be difficult being male and all--since your sex in general seems very uninclined toward compassion and empathy--but thankfully you live under grace. :P

[BronxBriar]

Dear Friends,

Yes indeed, brutal honesty and solid introspection takes some guts. But if you manage to wade through it you can really get down to the core of things (most of the time anyway). Bravo to all involved! Confirms my decision to keep investigating the Lutheran side of life!:clap:

Regards to all.

[ByzantineDixie]

ChiRho, I truly do admire your rigidity and firm values. I really do sympathize with you, and in this world of relativism and secularism it is nice to have friends who hold firm to Scripture--most of the time it's like running against the wind. However, before your head gets too swollen, I will add that you really should try and temper your opinions with a touch of grace and empathy occasionally, not so that you may "earn" heaven but rather out of the desire toward charity that Christ has put in you. It must be difficult being male and all--since your sex in general seems very uninclined toward compassion and empathy--but thankfully you live under grace. :P

LOL! :D Sister Lux, you are wise beyond your years.

ChiRho...I refuse to participate in your personal perverted pity party. (How is that for alliteration, James? ;) ) You are rigid, you are orthodox and this place would be exceedingly dull without you.

Tact is so predictable.... ^_^

Always your pal, Rose

[Filia Mariae]

:D I saw the title to this thread and I thought, "Whoa baby- instant banning!" Then I saw the author.:P

[Phoebe]

Doesn't this belong in the Orthodox forum? ;)

[Music4Hym777]

This is hilarious!!! ROTFL!!!:clap: (Kudos for starting it!) :cool:

[Carrye]

ChiRho: Dude, where to begin? And yes, truth is totally 19th century. ;)

[ShirChadash]

SNORT!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA! That's hilarious!! ^_^

[SPALATIN]

:D I saw the title to this thread and I thought, "Whoa baby- instant banning!" Then I saw the author.:P

So what was it that Christ was going to build his church? Was it Peter as the Catholics think or was it maybe what Peter confessed. Christ told him that no man had revealed this to him but his father in heaven. This is why we are confessional because that is what the church is about. Confessing Jesus Christ as Lord.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

[Lotar]

So what was it that Christ was going to build his church? Was it Peter as the Catholics think or was it maybe what Peter confessed. Christ told him that no man had revealed this to him but his father in heaven. This is why we are confessional because that is what the church is about. Confessing Jesus Christ as Lord.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Is it just me, or is this like totally off the wall :scratch:

[Lotar]

I'm glad the ChiRho is a rigid orthodox jerk, because now people get POed at him instead of me :P

[SPALATIN]

Is it just me, or is this like totally off the wall :scratch:
Actually I am still trying to figure this out. The post before had a quote at the bottom from the Gospels and I meant to put that as a quote.

Regardless of whether ChiRho is a Jerk or not he still has his salvation because he believes.

:pray:

[Lotar]

Oh, that's just her signature. You had me really confused there :D

BTW, welcome to CF, here's some blessings for an avatar. :wave:

[Lexluther]

There. I have even started the thread myself. This should be allowed since I have started it myself and am giving my consent to blast away. I will try to remain respectful while I defend myself.

Cute thread! You have an ego after my own heart!:hug:

[Music4Hym777]

ChiRho is a Rigid Orthodox Jerk because...

1. He has about 4 stickies of Lutheran material at the top of the page
2. He actually enjoys reading the catechisms
3. He is stuck in 1530 when LUtheranism was popular to get away from the Catholic church!!!

[Rechtgläubig]

I'm glad the ChiRho is a rigid orthodox jerk, because now people get POed at him instead of me :P
^_^

[Pacigoth13]

ChiRho,

I don't think you are a jerk. I don't even think our disagreements are as major as you think. People are all different and we have to realise that a lot of issues are subjective each to individual people. No two people will have exactly the same understanding of God and Christianity and even Lutheranism. This is okay. It is all relative, and this relativism is supported by objectivism. We can only say that human experience is relative when we recognise that such subjectivism must be grounded in an absolute. So yes, there is at least one absolute. When we agree about the absolute we can relax about the subjective. We both believe that Jesus is the Lord and that God raised him from the dead. Even if this is all we agree on, this agreement is enough for fellowship...

May the peace of the Lord be with your "orthodox" church my "heterodox" church.
:P acigoth :

[Phoebe]

I'm glad the ChiRho is a rigid orthodox jerk, because now people get POed at him instead of me :P
Why don't you include that in your signature line?

[Willy]

Rigid--yes. Orthodox--phenomenally so. A jerk--no! Loved, in spite of his ordered universe? You bet.

[clayrichard]

say to you, you are Petros, and on this petra I will build my church, and the powers of death will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:18-19:clap:


The thealog in me couldnt resist!

Clay


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[Music4Hym777]

I'm sorry, I just had to surface this because it shows just how crazily funny we all can be!

Chi, you really are rigid though! Thats what makes you, you though.

I think we all are rigid in our ways!

[Qoheleth]

he really believes that the Book of Concord is completely true and the only true interpretation of Holy Writ!

Thats to rigid. The Lutheran Confessors didnt even believe this. This is made apparent in the introduction.

Sorry, no sense of humor here.

Q

[RedneckAnglican]

Rigid--yes. Orthodox--phenomenally so. A jerk--no! Loved, in spite of his ordered universe? You bet.

I'll vote with that...

[Jim47]

I'll give you two out of three, rigid & Orthodox, if you insist on jerk than I'm on a jerk too, because there is no compromising in God's Word.


The thing I find sad is that people take these views of people who will not bend. Did Jesus bend to those who persecuted Him?

Neat Idea ChiRho! :thumbsup:

[KagomeShuko]

There. I have even started the thread myself. This should be allowed since I have started it myself and am giving my consent to blast away. I will try to remain respectful while I defend myself.

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

Yet another time I'm glad I was not drinking anything while at the computer because I would've done a spit-take! That's happening a lot lately!

rigid, yes
orthodox, yes
jerk, no
lutheran, yes
christian, yes

um. . .um . . .he doesn't agree with all my beliefs. . .and. . .uh. . .wait, that's just a fact. . .it seems to be the only fact I can write though. . .

Stein Auf!
Bridget

[SPALATIN]

Sarcastic Rigid Orthodox Jerk or SROJ.

[RedneckAnglican]

Yet another time I'm glad I was not drinking anything while at the computer because I would've done a spit-take! That's happening a lot lately!

rigid, yes
orthodox, yes
jerk, no
lutheran, yes
christian, yes

um. . .um . . .he doesn't agree with all my beliefs. . .and. . .uh. . .wait, that's just a fact. . .it seems to be the only fact I can write though. . .

Stein Auf!
Bridget

I just got off the calvinist board...does this make him a 5 point rigid, orthodox, Christian, Lutheran, Jerk?...just wondering...

[SPALATIN]

I just got off the calvinist board...does this make him a 5 point rigid, orthodox, Christian, Lutheran, Jerk?...just wondering...

Since Lutherans reject the TULIP of the Calvinist I doubt it.

[ChiRho]

Thats to rigid. The Lutheran Confessors didnt even believe this. This is made apparent in the introduction.

Sorry, no sense of humor here.

Q

No need to apologize! I was never under the false belief that you ever possessed one. I do ask that you show me where the Lutheran Confessors believed that a different interpretation was acceptable, though.

In all rigidness,

ChiRho

[Qoheleth]

I was never under the false belief that you ever possessed one

Good, just so that were clear on this.

I do ask that you show me where the Lutheran Confessors believed that a different interpretation was acceptable, though.

Actually I said that they did not believe that their Confessions were "The" only correct exposition but that they were "A" correct exposition. Differences do not always end in conflict and contradiction.

Q

[ChiRho]

Good, just so that were clear on this.



Actually I said that they did not believe that their Confessions were "The" only correct exposition but that they were "A" correct exposition. Differences do not always end in conflict and contradiction.

Q


I grant that they dont always end in conflict or contradiction (ie we would be double-predestinationist if it did). But when you say "a" do you actually believe that there is another, different interpretation that is equally true? Or do you believe that this is true, for you? :scratch:

[RedneckAnglican]

Since Lutherans reject the TULIP of the Calvinist I doubt it.

Just checking...I'm not sure I even know what "five point" is anyway...

[sin_vladimirov]

:) I was ready to open fire defending XP thinking XP-Orthodox-Jerk :)

Ah well, God does work in mysterious ways.

Brother, better being rigid and true to your view, according to you contientia, than flexible and flying how the wind blows.

I guess, there are all bunch of us rigid idiots and jerks in many form and uniform! (Great)

United Society of Rigid Jerks (www.usrj.com (http://www.usrj.com)),





If you pressed that link, you are crazy :D

Such a funny post though. (I mean mine, not yours) (Just kidding);)





Never been on this forum before.... Guess, while we kiss the church doors, you people bang nails into them... (what is wrong with you? :P)


God bless.

Kirye eleison,
Xriste eleison!


Many years!











Now, enough of smiles, back to being rigid!

[I can eat 50 eggs]

CHI RO IS a rigid orthodox jerk, and for that, he has my deepest respects!

[ChiRho]

I grant that they dont always end in conflict or contradiction (ie we would be double-predestinationist if it did). But when you say "a" do you actually believe that there is another, different interpretation that is equally true? Or do you believe that this is true, for you? :scratch:


After re-reading the Preface, I still fail to see your point, Q. Never, does it speak as though we are continuing "a" true doctrine, as if there are other equally true expositions, but "the" true doctrine.

Differences do not always end in conflict and contradiction.


We draw short of making the logical conclusion regarding predestination of the damned, because Holy Scripture stops us from that final progression.
Again, could you demonstrate for me how this applies to this specific case?

Pax

[Qoheleth]

After re-reading the Preface, I still fail to see your point, Q. Never, does it speak as though we are continuing "a" true doctrine, as if there are other equally true expositions, but "the" true doctrine.

Let me explain. The Preface states that the attitude is to clear up the "adversaries" false doctines. What is forwarded should be seen and considered a faithful exposition to the scripture.

I believe that the expression is made more direct, liturgically than Symbolic. It is found in the Synod's liturgy of Ordination. For example, from the Lutheran Agenda:

"Dost thou believe that the Unaltered Augsburg Confession is a true exposition of the Word of God and a correct exhibition of the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church...?" (p. 106)

Both Luther and Chemnitz, key authors of the Symbols, were quite aware that a single theological truth can be formulated in various ways; Melanchthon would have agreed, but he took advantage of this to make the next step: expressing things theologically in such a way that diverse theological truths could hide under the same formulations.

A key example of diverse doctrinal formulation is the way that the Cappadocians formulated the doctrine of the Trinity in contrast to that, say, of St. Athanasius or St. Augustine. The underlying dogma was clearly the same; but the doctrinal formulation varied.

From the standpoint of the historic Lutheranism we have never demanded that people agree with our particular doctrinal formulations; but that they may not deny the dogma which underlies those formulas. Just as St. Basil and St. Athanasius could be completely one in the faith with differing doctrinal frameworks that "make sense of" the underlying unified dogma.

Q

[ChiRho]

Let me explain. The Preface states that the attitude is to clear up the "adversaries" false doctines. What is forwarded should be seen and considered a faithful exposition to the scripture.

I believe that the expression is made more direct, liturgically than Symbolic. It is found in the Synod's liturgy of Ordination. For example, from the Lutheran Agenda:

"Dost thou believe that the Unaltered Augsburg Confession is a true exposition of the Word of God and a correct exhibition of the doctrine of the Evangelical Lutheran Church...?" (p. 106)

Both Luther and Chemnitz, key authors of the Symbols, were quite aware that a single theological truth can be formulated in various ways; Melanchthon would have agreed, but he took advantage of this to make the next step: expressing things theologically in such a way that diverse theological truths could hide under the same formulations.

A key example of diverse doctrinal formulation is the way that the Cappadocians formulated the doctrine of the Trinity in contrast to that, say, of St. Athanasius or St. Augustine. The underlying dogma was clearly the same; but the doctrinal formulation varied.

From the standpoint of the historic Lutheranism we have never demanded that people agree with our particular doctrinal formulations; but that they may not deny the
dogma which underlies those formulas. Just as St. Basil and St. Athanasius could be completely one in the faith with differing doctrinal frameworks that "make sense of" the underlying unified dogma.

Q

We were speaking past each other then. When I stated "the only true" I was certainly speaking about the "underlying dogma" or the "conclusions" and not seeking to oust Augustine, Athanasius, Basil or any other Saint.

Pax

[Qoheleth]

We were speaking past each other then. When I stated "the only true" I was certainly speaking about the "underlying dogma" or the "conclusions" and not seeking to oust Augustine, Athanasius, Basil or any other Saint.

I have been guilty of this before. Sorry.

Q

[ChiRho]

I have been guilty of this before. Sorry.

Q


Nah, it was my rant. I should have been more clear.

Pax