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Victrixa
21st May 2004, 08:29 PM
Hi there, my dear Lutheran brothers and sisters! :hug:

You know, I really like to lurk in here! I find Lutheran spirituality so profound and beautiful! My (real-life) Lutheran friends still send me lots of documentation and devotions. I love those devotions!

Okay, as you all have heard of (I think so), in the Catholic Church there are what we call Eucharistic miracles. You know, cases of the Eucharistic host turning to flesh and blood, or people experiencing a taste of flesh or blood in their mouth after having recieved the Eucharist, etc.

I know that Lutherans believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Related to this aspect of the Lutheran faith, have any of you ever experienced a 'Eucharistic miracle' of some sort or read about any which has occured in the Lutheran Church?

I am very eager to know!

Thanks so much in advance and God bless you all!

Pax Christi,

Caroline :)

Rechtgläubig
22nd May 2004, 12:04 AM
Hi there, my dear Lutheran brothers and sisters! :hug:

You know, I really like to lurk in here! I find Lutheran spirituality so profound and beautiful! My (real-life) Lutheran friends still send me lots of documentation and devotions. I love those devotions!

Okay, as you all have heard of (I think so), in the Catholic Church there are what we call Eucharistic miracles. You know, cases of the Eucharistic host turning to flesh and blood, or people experiencing a taste of flesh or blood in their mouth after having recieved the Eucharist, etc.

I know that Lutherans believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Related to this aspect of the Lutheran faith, have any of you ever experienced a 'Eucharistic miracle' of some sort or read about any which has occured in the Lutheran Church?

I am very eager to know!

Thanks so much in advance and God bless you all!

Pax Christi,

Caroline :)Do you consider a strengthened Faith and Forgiveness of sins a miracle? :D


Peace and Blessings Victrixa (I love that name!)

Victrixa
22nd May 2004, 11:37 AM
Rechtgläubig,

Do you consider a strengthened Faith and Forgiveness of sins a miracle?

But of course! Praise the Lord! However... ya know, I'm still curious about any stories related to my question... Anyhoo, if anyone has heard of such a story...


Peace and Blessings Victrixa (I love that name!)

Peace and blessings to you too, Rechtgläubig!

(I love that name!)

Hehe... Thank you.... :blush: You know what it means?
Okay, I'll tell you. It's an ancient Roman Latin female name which means
'Triumphant'. Guess why I chose the name? Because I love Latin and
I am victorious in Jesus! :)

What does your username mean? (I love how it sounds!) Imagine, on my mother's side, the ancestors were German... I can bearly speak a German word! LOL!!! I have to learn that language one day. Ya know, I really wonder, because of my German ancestry, if there were any Lutherans at one point in my family... I'll have to research the genealogy some day...

God bless you!

Caroline

JVAC
22nd May 2004, 11:42 AM
I have heard of many Sacramental Miracles in the Catholic Church, however, I have not heard any Lutheran Church as having a "Eucharistic Miracle" as I have heard happen in the Catholic Church.

-James

BBAS 64
22nd May 2004, 12:01 PM
Hi there, my dear Lutheran brothers and sisters! :hug:

You know, I really like to lurk in here! I find Lutheran spirituality so profound and beautiful! My (real-life) Lutheran friends still send me lots of documentation and devotions. I love those devotions!

Okay, as you all have heard of (I think so), in the Catholic Church there are what we call Eucharistic miracles. You know, cases of the Eucharistic host turning to flesh and blood, or people experiencing a taste of flesh or blood in their mouth after having recieved the Eucharist, etc.

I know that Lutherans believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Related to this aspect of the Lutheran faith, have any of you ever experienced a 'Eucharistic miracle' of some sort or read about any which has occured in the Lutheran Church?

I am very eager to know!

Thanks so much in advance and God bless you all!

Pax Christi,

Caroline :)
Good Day, Caroline

I have one question on your post:


Okay, as you all have heard of (I think so), in the Catholic Church there are what we call Eucharistic miracles. You know, cases of the Eucharistic host turning to flesh and blood, or people experiencing a taste of flesh or blood in their mouth after having recieved the Eucharist, etc.
I must say, I have heard of such stories. How do thoses people know what flesh and blood taste like?

Peace to u,

Bill

JVAC
22nd May 2004, 12:04 PM
Well there are other such miracles,

Somewhere in Portugal, a Lady once took a host from the Church and it bled all the way to her house and for the three days it was there. She had the clergy take it back to the sanctuary where it continued to bleed for some time, and now it remains in one of those Crosses with a window in the middle for veneration.

Just one more example:

-James

Victrixa
22nd May 2004, 12:13 PM
James, did that happen within the Catholic Church?

Caroline

KennySe
22nd May 2004, 12:21 PM
I must say, I have heard of such stories. How do thoses people know what flesh and blood taste like?

Have you ever eaten chicken?
(And that is not a joke, but a rhetorical question.)

Imagine receiving Eucharist, which to the human senses is a piece of bread. It has a certain texture. One Sunday, the texture is DIFFERENT. WAY DIFFERENT. It is almost like gristle. It has a meat flavor.

Have you ever tasted your own blood?
(another rhetorical question)

Maybe as a child, or even as an adult, you get a cut on a finger and you suck on the wound for a second without thinking.

Imagine taking the cup, to drink what to your human senses tastes and smells like wine. One day it is DIFFERENT. VERY DIFFERENT.

And you show your open mouth to the priest and he SEES the red blood in your mouth, and upon examination (after you have consumed the Eucharist) there are NO cuts in your mouth, and you can feel around with your tongue and no there are no cuts.

JVAC
22nd May 2004, 12:44 PM
James, did that happen within the Catholic Church?

Caroline

Yeah, I don't remember when though.

-James

BBAS 64
22nd May 2004, 01:01 PM
Have you ever eaten chicken?
(And that is not a joke, but a rhetorical question.)

Imagine receiving Eucharist, which to the human senses is a piece of bread. It has a certain texture. One Sunday, the texture is DIFFERENT. WAY DIFFERENT. It is almost like gristle. It has a meat flavor.

Have you ever tasted your own blood?
(another rhetorical question)

Maybe as a child, or even as an adult, you get a cut on a finger and you suck on the wound for a second without thinking.

Imagine taking the cup, to drink what to your human senses tastes and smells like wine. One day it is DIFFERENT. VERY DIFFERENT.

And you show your open mouth to the priest and he SEES the red blood in your mouth, and upon examination (after you have consumed the Eucharist) there are NO cuts in your mouth, and you can feel around with your tongue and no there are no cuts.
Good Day, Kenny

Thank you, for your understanding and your use of allegories. The very subjective nature of such a issue makes it difficult to arrive at an conclusions based on objective facts. When eating a bag of peanuts some peanuts will taste more like peanuts more than others, but the fact is that they are all peanuts.

I have heard it said by many peole that frog legs tastes like chicken. From my point of view chicken tastes like frog legs. The fact is that chicken is chicken and that frog is frog, irreguardless of my subjective nature of their taste.

Kind of a funny story remind me when I convienced by brother that liver tasted like steak, and served him liver he was sure it was steak and could not be diswayed from the objective reasoning,. Even to this day he strongly defends himself and says it was steak, even though the facts does not support him.

Peace to u,:wave:

Bill

Rechtgläubig
23rd May 2004, 12:07 AM
Hehe... Thank you.... http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/blush.gif You know what it means?
Okay, I'll tell you. It's an ancient Roman Latin female name which means
'Triumphant'. Guess why I chose the name? Because I love Latin and
I am victorious in Jesus! http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Awesome all around! I love the sound, the meaning, your reason for using it. :D

What does your username mean? (I love how it sounds!) Imagine, on my mother's side, the ancestors were German... I can bearly speak a German word! LOL!!! I have to learn that language one day. Ya know, I really wonder, because of my German ancestry, if there were any Lutherans at one point in my family... I'll have to research the genealogy some day...
Mine sort of has two meanings, but the German kind of combines them into one. Rechtgläubig, means "orthodox", but what you don't see in English is that there is a "Right-believing or faith" (a belief based on fact). I didn't choose the name to be cocky or anything like that, it is simply a celebration that I was rescued to the Christian Faith from my mormon upbringing.

:wave:

LuxPerpetua
23rd May 2004, 06:00 PM
I know there was a lady on CF who was Lutheran and had a very profound Eucharistic miracle where she saw Christ administering at the table (or something like that). I can't remember her username, though, but maybe she'll see this thread and post her story.

JVAC
23rd May 2004, 08:31 PM
I think it was Celeste :scratch:

-James

thereselittleflower
24th May 2004, 04:07 AM
Good Day, Kenny

Thank you, for your understanding and your use of allegories. The very subjective nature of such a issue makes it difficult to arrive at an conclusions based on objective facts. When eating a bag of peanuts some peanuts will taste more like peanuts more than others, but the fact is that they are all peanuts.

I have heard it said by many peole that frog legs tastes like chicken. From my point of view chicken tastes like frog legs. The fact is that chicken is chicken and that frog is frog, irreguardless of my subjective nature of their taste.

Kind of a funny story remind me when I convienced by brother that liver tasted like steak, and served him liver he was sure it was steak and could not be diswayed from the objective reasoning,. Even to this day he strongly defends himself and says it was steak, even though the facts does not support him.

Peace to u,:wave:

Bill
Hi Bill

Maybe this might help . .

I have a dear friend, who once, when he bit down on the bread, instead of it feeling like a thin wafer of bread, he found himself chewing on flesh, like meat, and blood was in his mouth . .

We all know what blood tastes like . . we have all cut ourselves on a finger and sucked on it, tasting blood, or cut our lip and tasted the blood that came from there . .

Blood is unmistakable, so I think it is very easy for one to distinguish when he/she is tasting blood or not . .

And the feel and texture of meat, flesh, is much different than the feel and texture of a thin wafer of bread. . .


Does that help?


Peace in Him!

ChiRho
24th May 2004, 07:35 AM
Hi Bill

Maybe this might help . .

I have a dear friend, who once, when he bit down on the bread, instead of it feeling like a thin wafer of bread, he found himself chewing on flesh, like meat, and blood was in his mouth . .

We all know what blood tastes like . . we have all cut ourselves on a finger and sucked on it, tasting blood, or cut our lip and tasted the blood that came from there . .

Blood is unmistakable, so I think it is very easy for one to distinguish when he/she is tasting blood or not . .

And the feel and texture of meat, flesh, is much different than the feel and texture of a thin wafer of bread. . .


Does that help?


Peace in Him!

Just curious...What is the Roman Catholic Church's belief of why this happens and is there any significance surrounding who it happens too? Is this a sign of tremendous faith or a reward for those who are a bit more pious than others? Is the "common" Communion (that does not reveal this miracle) just as valid as that which taste like flesh and blood?

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

JVAC
24th May 2004, 01:32 PM
ChiRho,

Yes each communion is as valid. Through a complex reasoning given by St. Thomas Aquinas it is believed that everyone recieves body and blood regardless, however, sometimes the 'accidents' are not percieved. I think you have to read Aquinas to get the deeper stuff though.

I don't think it is necessarily a reward as much as it is a Miracle given to the Church by her Lord, in order to continue and arrouse faith. I do not think it is endemic to the Catholic church as much as it is to the catholic Church.

-James