Orthodox Modernism

[JustinHesychast]

So I have a question. Do y'all think that there is a growing and persistent problem within the Church that consists of modernity? Is modernism an ever-growing threat within the Church as She should be?

Here are a couple of informative articles and such I have found:

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/tradmod_intro.aspx
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/Modernism.pdf

[JustinHesychast]

I think it is.

O_o;;

/poke

:P

[Silentchapel]

I don't think so. That is why I'd suggest 'orthodoxinfo' as much as I would suggest someone to go to Scientology website. I belong to what is called 'modernistic' stream (that is, our anaphora is read outloud, we use contemporary Serbian in Liturgies, we don't hate Catholics/Protestants and believe that there is actually a slimest chance for them to be saved...), so all that talk about 'modernism' is a bunch of bulldroppings. To say the least.

[Protoevangel]

I don't think so. That is why I'd suggest 'orthodoxinfo' as much as I would suggest someone to go to Scientology website.
I'm glad to know what you think of your Orthodox brothers. :doh:

[Lukaris]

I'm glad to know what you think of your Orthodox brothers. :doh:
In all fairness that site is not very friendly & will often profess a sort of love for others if they could only seek the truth & then define an obstacle course on their own terms for others not like them. Although a good repository of info, there is some that is strange. For instance, there is one story about a monk who lived like the prodigal son but never repented but since he did not judge anyone an angel appeared wiping his slate of sin clean. What is that all about? What kind of message does that convey in contrast with their tight theology?

[Protoevangel]

In all fairness that site is not very friendly & will often profess a sort of love for others if they could only seek the truth & then define an obstacle course on their own terms for others not like them. Although a good repository of info, there is some that is strange. For instance, there is one story about a monk who lived like the prodigal son but never repented but since he did not judge anyone an angel appeared wiping his slate of sin clean. What is that all about? What kind of message does that convey in contrast with their tight theology?
Uh, yea. That's "all fairness" alright. Where's that :rollseyes: smilie when you need it?

You know, that site was instrumental in brining many into the Orthodox Church. Myself included. I think you could take that judgment you are directing at them and look to yourself first.

[Lukaris]

Uh, yea. That's "all fairness" alright. Where's that :rollseyes: smilie when you need it?

You know, that site was instrumental in brining many into the Orthodox Church. Myself included. I think you could take that judgment you are directing at them and look to yourself first.
I did not mean to offend or rebuke you in any sense. If that site has helped you & others come to Orthodoxy glory to God but it may not be affecting everyone that way. Forgive me for conveying anything negatively towards you or others.

[rusmeister]

I would neither defend nor attack OI overmuch. They're human beings there, they are trying to defend the faith from being changed by modernity, they do seem to go overboard sometimes - after all, it is recognized by all of us that things like the Liturgy are not completely static and have undergone changes throughout history.

JH - remember, no website can replace a personal priest and local church. If you make intellectual pursuit your main exploration of Orthodoxy, you just aren't going to get it.

[jckstraw72]

1. i like Orthodox info very much, but would prolly not recomment it to newbies, although i know one who came across it on his own just recently and loves it
2. i think there is definitely modernism problems in the Church (although I wouldnt include the things you mentioned Silentchapel, and i never got the impression that thats the kind of stuff they mean)

[xenia]

I have found Ortho Info to be very helpful but I am aware that many brothers and sisters are wary of it so I use the site with caution. They are stricter than I am but I find much to admire there.

[Protoevangel]

We get so used to the Church showing massive amounts of oikonomia (because our society is so mired in materialism and immorality, and without this oikonomia, souls would be lost ) that we forget that as well as oikonomia, there is a balancing element called akribeia, which is JUST AS essential to the life of the Church as oikonomia.

We see those who speak of the akribeia of the Church as meanies, as hateful, as legalistic, as defining "an obstacle course on their own terms", and declare whatever they have to say as "a bunch of bulldroppings". We do this to our own detriment, and make ourselves no better than the schismatics who completely reject oikonomia in favor of akribeia.

No one who knows anything of Patrick Barnes (the owner of OrthodoxInfo) would dare to make the foul and false accusations as were made in some of the earlier posts. Christopher Orr, on the other hand, has a good and balanced review of the site (linked here (http://orrologion.blogspot.com/2007/01/book-review-26-non-orthodox-by-patrick.html)), and more specifically, Patrick's book, The Non-Orthodox (http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/status.aspx).

[buzuxi02]

Im not sure what exactly people find offensive about Orthodoxinfo. Personally i believe its the best Orthodox website on the internet by far, and has singlehandedly thwarted certain orthodox theologians and clergy from pursuing the agenda of the WCC and a great counterbalance to the joint declarations promoted on the SCOBA website (the approval by the Scoba site of a common date for easter comes to mind). I definately recommend it, which is something i never do with the GOARCH website, and i am a member of the GOA!

[Lotar]

I do not think that Modernism is a threat to the Church. The gates of Hades will not prevail against Her.

I do think that Modernism is a grave threat to many within the Church - including many priests, bishops, "theologians" and jurisdictions.

[jckstraw72]

agreed

[hiImEric]

How reliable would you say OrthodoxWiki is?

[Protoevangel]

Not a whole lot better than wikipedia. It's fine for a basic overview, and you probably don't have to assume things are wrong because they are there, but just like things said here, don't assume everything said there is absolute either.