Challenge to an honest debate with Fundamentalists .

[LittleOrphanAndy]

The issue : Should parents give their teenagers contraceptives for the purpose of preventing STD's ?

The typical argument says no because you are encouraging them to sin .

But this is both a moral and a health issue ..

[NewGuy101]

mods move this to debate forum

[LittleOrphanAndy]

sorry about that ..

[Hentenza]

Thread moved to the debate forum. To the OP, no worries that is why we are here for.:wave:

[DeaconDean]

The issue : Should parents give their teenagers contraceptives for the purpose of preventing STD's ?

The typical argument says no because you are encouraging them to sin .

But this is both a moral and a health issue ..

There used to be time when this wouldn't even be an issue.

However, those days are gone.

Given the days we live in, preaching abstinence does not work. And in light of the teaching in 1 Cor. 7, I'd rather have children (teenagers) using contraceptives rather than having children becoming parents at the age of 12. And Yes, I have seen this happen even to preachers sons and daughters.

I was youth director at my church for a year, and you should have seen the attitude these teens had. They weren't there to learn about God, or the Bible, or anything along tht line. They were there to meet, a social club as it were. Because I got strict about their dress, mini-skirts in the sanctuary, hot-pants type of shorts with half their butt hanging out, they quit coming to church. Now half of those girls are now parents.

Preach and teach Godly, time honored values, but be prepared for real world issues.

I don't have a problem with it per se.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[Project 86]

The issue : Should parents give their teenagers contraceptives for the purpose of preventing STD's ?

The typical argument says no because you are encouraging them to sin .

But this is both a moral and a health issue ..

When my children are teens they won't have contraceptives. The reasons are multiple.

1. It is disobeying God to have sex outside of marriage. Our purpose in life is to bring glory to God.

2. Contraceptives often are not always used in the heat of the moment. Even when they are available.

3. Contraceptives don't prevent all STDs 100% of the time even when used properly 100% of the time.

4. If you are referring to birth control pills they cause abortions.

5. Contraceptives will not protect you from the emotional scars that premarital sex causes.

6. There still are plenty of people that wait for marriage and I pray that my children will be part of that group.

[LittleOrphanAndy]

I am not advocating premarital sex i am refering to the fact that teens are tempted and may fall into that temptation. If there is a way to help avoid an unwanted pregnancy or an STD would you not want to provide that for them?


How are you aiding and abetting in their sin?

You are saying no dont do it but i reckonise the fact that you are old enough to make some important descisions on youre own and if you make that choice to do i want you to be safe because i love you .
But just before you take that plunge remember my face ..

Andy

[cubanito]

Having been intimate only after marriage, despite a roaring male libido and several women who tried to seduce me (including a proff high end call-girl who my father sent for that purpose as he was trying to jar me out of my Christian beliefs), I can expect them to control themselves.

I do acknowledge my utter failure in controling my thoughts or my self stimulation, despite trying, which is why I got married. I was definitely burning and wanted an outlet for my drive that was pleasing to God.

Now, if you do not claim to be a Christian, it's none of my business, as long as u do not claim the right to make it available to my own children while they are still minors.

JR

[LittleOrphanAndy]

In youre statement I dont know whether you were adressing me personaly regarding whether or not I am christian or whether you were just making a general statement ?Wil you please explain? I have to ask before commenting on that part .

As to whether or not another claims the right to provide contraceptives to children ie; someone who is legaly qualified to do so .. is an issue governed by statutary laws and realy isn't of issue here . The debate is regarding whether it is something that should be done period as a matter of prevention . While it is a religious and a moral issue .. The question is begged are their not some situations where the overall physical welfare of the child trumps religion and perhaps this is one of those situations .

For the record I am for giving condemns to teenagers as a preventitive measure . To me it is a health and safety issue first . I know many will disagree with me and this is what this debate should be about . Discussing the issues ..

JR I also need to point out and i dont have to tell you that if you have children you are not them. Because you could control doesn't mean they will. I admire youre control and that is something we have in common .But looking at ourselves is not a safe nor wise crutch to lean upon .We are all individuals afterall.

[cubanito]

a general statement, it is not aimed at u specifically. at all, neither is the following

If one claims to be a Christian, then they whould at least in principle be willing to personally try to live up to Christ's commands which are clear: celibacy or sex within marriage only. Achive perfection, no, certainly not, but neither make provision for sin.

As I am a physician, laws that would force me to prescribe against my conscience are being considered, so for me the personal and public very much intersect. At present I can refuse to prescribe Plan-B, an abortificient. Arguments like yours strengthen those who would force me to participate in a chemical abortion, and so are quite abhoren to me.

If welfare of the child trunps all, the birth control pills should be illegal. Pregnancy rarely results in death, but removing the fear of pregnancy WITHOUT providing the physical barried that at least somewhat reduces the risks of lifelong infections such as HIV, EBV, HSV, HPV, Hep C among others, is INCREASING the danger to the HEALTH of the child. For decades Japan BANNED the pill because they realized that it PROMOTED STD's, and guess what, it worked. By forcing condoms vs nothing, Japanese STD's were among the lowest in the world. 5 years ago the pill ban ended. I wonder what will happen soon...

For the record, I am for giving condoms to teenagers IF their parents agree. However, without parental approval, I am ambivalent. However, "the pilll" wo parental approval is a very bad idea. It promotes sex, but not STD prevention.

I thought of implanting cameras in the forehead, microphones in the ears and GPS trackers in my children. In the end, though, I opted for something more effective. I married, and stayed married, to a woman who wanted to stay home and be in their lives. Does it always work, no, of course not. But the prayers of a righteous woman avails much, even when her husband is as imperfect as me.

JR