The Announcement: CF NICENE Again

[drstevej]

new site wide rule Nicene Christianity (http://christianforums.com/a791)

Stunning. And so welcome.
Thanks, CF


RepDaddy/aka drstevej

[ReformedChapin]

Yay!!!

Now lets wait and see if they twist Nicene Creed as well.

[twistedsketch]

Good!

[SolomonVII]

To the extent that the largest Christian board on the internet mandates itself to a home and a refuge for Christians who define their Christianity in terms of what has always been taught, I am encouraged.

A level playing field is a poor way to define either faith, belief or truth.

Progressive Christians had a chance to argue that their beliefs were authentic to the Christian traditon. they not only failed to make this argument, but they also failed to demonstrate that they were even interested in making such an argument. As time went on, it became more and more apparent that their version of Christian was directly opposed to the way that christianity has been expressed for the last two thousand years. They were interested in Christianity only to the extent that they would be able to change it from within.

[BAFRIEND]

This is a real blow to the WWMC forum who have redefined the term liberal christian.

There are not many homes for nicenes on the WEB, so it is nice to have a place where we can all be on the same page.

[Debi1967]

Welcome back Nicene Creed ....Yes indeed this is heaven sent

[MrJim]

Welcome back Nicene Creed ....Yes indeed this is heaven sent

:wave: Hi Debi

have you been following the drama? depending on whom you ask it's a return to a fascist state^_^

[Debi1967]

:wave: Hi Debi

have you been following the drama? depending on whom you ask it's a return to a fascist state^_^
Well of course and no it is not a return to a fascist state that is utterly ridiculous. But what the big man of this board wants he gets.

[MrJim]

Well of course and no it is not a return to a fascist state that is utterly ridiculous. But what the big man of this board wants he gets.

Yep Rep Daddy has a lot of power..:D

[drstevej]

You know since drstevej became Rep Daddy and became a Repaholic life has been more tranquil. Not sure what CF will become theologically but I find I am increasingly satisfied to let others act out that drama.

And in the end LeeD is where the buck(s) stop and he seems willing to accept that responsibility.

RepON

[drstevej]

Yep Rep Daddy has a lot of power..:D

Your Reputation Power is 13461 Points




NOT SO MUCH.....

[Debi1967]

Yep Rep Daddy has a lot of power..:D
:D

[SolomonVII]

What I do find disappointing though, is that many potentially socially conservative people, such as Mormons, are again outside of the loop.

Then again, if Christian doctrine is not important on a Christian site, then what is?

And has this particular Conservative forum ever really been a home to any of those Mormons?

I understand the decision. The main problem is the wild swings in policy that gives the dog a bone and then snatches it away.

However, as far as liberal Christians go, to the extent that it was they that brought about the changes in the first place through political maneuvres, having the pendulum swing back on their necks would only be fair play.

[rmw8855]

Whether I agree with the decision or not, it's hardly a surprise. LeeD stated his views on this subject during his introduction thread.

[tulc]

And has this particular Conservative forum ever really been a home to any of those Mormons?

...if I remember correctly a couple of LDS did try and come here to fellowship and were informed they were free to hang but could in no uncertain terms ever become members. :scratch:
tulc(it was during the whole "the nicean creed isn't good enough" battles) :)

[ladyt28]

I know I am probably being naive but why would groups like the LDS want to be in a forum where the owner called them a cult? And I have read many statements about what they considered to be rude treatment in their sections. If that were me, I would look for a forum where I felt I found like-fellowship and not protest about being eliminated from a forum where it was clear I wasn't wanted. I mean, that would be like going to forums for atheists and protesting that I am being treated poorly! It doesn't make sense to me.

[Criada]

Am I alone in thinking that this is a very sad decision? I fought to keep a distinction between Nicene and non-Nicene areas.... But this seems to be going too far the other way.
What harm was it doing us to allow these people to have their own area, to feel safe somewhere..
Enough people have fought for a 'safe haven' for conservatives.. I for one would like to see others accorded the same privilege.
The vision of this board for outreach is very hard to achieve if everyone who does not agree with us is driven away.
If this is to become a cosy corner where we can congratulate ourselves on our correct doctrine and ignore the great commission, I for one will not be around for long!
:sigh:

[tulc]

The vision of this board for outreach is very hard to achieve if everyone who does not agree with us is driven away.

Good point. :)
tulc(and a good question) ;)

[drstevej]

I like having UTD and was mod there for a year.

[Ishida]

Bittersweet, really.

[BAFRIEND]

And has this particular Conservative forum ever really been a home to any of those Mormons?

The attacks the Mormons came under (not just here) was horrible. I understand their frustration in particular with the absolution of their forum because people are just human and they probably feel that staff is behind many of the attacks against them.

The return of Nicene though is mixed for me emotionally. Get the satanists and the atheitsts, hence- there are many places for them to go other than to be poking around a Christian message board.

[SolomonVII]

...if I remember correctly a couple of LDS did try and come here to fellowship and were informed they were free to hang but could in no uncertain terms ever become members. :scratch:
tulc(it was during the whole "the nicean creed isn't good enough" battles) :)
but, would a Mormon be able to join the Conservative Forums, according to the SOF here?
....
The minimum standard of doctrinal belief in order for a person to be considered a Christian is accurately contained within the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds. The doctrines contained within these creeds are the bare essentials upon which Christians must agree.....


As someonone who see Romney as a better candidate than most, I am disappointed that a few more Mormons did not take up that offer of fellowship. In terms of the conservative morals that are very much a part of what this forum is about, outside of doctrine, they could have likely made a few friends and allies here.

[SolomonVII]

The attacks the Mormons came under (not just here) was horrible. I understand their frustration in particular with the absolution of their forum because people are just human and they probably feel that staff is behind many of the attacks against them.

The return of Nicene though is mixed for me emotionally. Get the satanists and the atheitsts, hence- there are many places for them to go other than to be poking around a Christian message board.
Well, I am quite happy that no priest has absolved them of their doctrinal 'errors',;) but I too am disappointed to that their own fora will be dissolved too.

Along with Unitarians and Jehovah Witnesses and manybe Gnostics too they occupy the no man's land of religion around here, not quite the same as the mainstream Christianity, but not quite different enough to be classified as other religion either.


I think that there is a real battle going on betwen the evangelization efforts of the Mormons, and the evangelization efforts of the wide umbrella of mainly conservative Christian organizations that fall under the umbrella of what is called Evangelists. Like the Evangelists, the Moromons are very very efficient and successful in their evangelization efforts globally.

I have no idea about the particulars of the CF decision, but I would not be surprised if the same jealousies and competitive head-buttings were not part of the decision here too.

[tulc]

but, would a Mormon be able to join the Conservative Forums, according to the SOF here?

No actually they couldn't join here, but the problem (as I remember it) was they showed up, posted a couple of times and were greeted quite warmly by several members (they were very sweet members who, for the most part have since left) and then they were pounced on by a few people that were afraid for the purity of this forum. :sorry: It was made pretty clear the nice posters were going to be elbowed out of the way by the more fierce members. :sigh:
tulc(it was a bit of a tense time) :(

[SolomonVII]

Lol. This forum was quite busy when I joined and buzzing, and more than a few people were frothing at the mouth for reasons I was not fully able to fathom.

Nice or not, most people left at the same time I was getting interested, again for reasons that fro the most part eleuded me.

For what it's worth though, even if it doesn't much buzz here any more, this has been a rather comfortable place for me to post in nevertheless. For the most part, as long as I am putting a conservative argument into the mill, it has been treated with respect and has found a place amongst the diversity of other conservative arguments.

[Followers4christ]

Thank You LeeD.God Bless You :thumbsup: :hug:

[BAFRIEND]

Thank You LeeD.God Bless You :thumbsup: :hug:

:) :thumbsup: :amen:

[D'Ann]

I'm grateful and thankful to see this change. At the same time, I can't help but wonder how long before the next change and what will be the next change and what will it be based on.

I feel empathy and sadness for those who are losing their safe haven forums here too. I understand why, but my heart feels sadness with them.

I do pray that Lee continues to go in this direction though.

[drstevej]

I'm grateful and thankful to see this change. At the same time, I can't help but wonder how long before the next change and what will be the next change and what will it be based on.

I feel empathy and sadness for those who are losing their safe haven forums here too. I understand why, but my heart feels sadness with them.

I do pray that Lee continues to go in this direction though.

Agree, but I better leave this to others.

Bye (http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=43031519&postcount=31)

[edb19]

Agree, but I better leave this to others.

Bye (http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=43031519&postcount=31)

read the link - sometimes I can't help but think you're rather odd (not a criticism - just an observation - I like odd)

[D'Ann]

read the link - sometimes I can't help but think you're rather odd (not a criticism - just an observation - I like odd)

Loved the link. I like odd too. :)

[SolomonVII]

Maybe it is not so odd.
Maybe what is odd is taking ourselves too seriously, and taking CF policy too seriously, and in general overestimating what we can accomplish on these boards.

If this or that new CF policy is making us miserable, maybe it really isn't odd at all to rediscover all the things that can make these boards fun.

[drstevej]

Maybe it is not so odd.
Maybe what is odd is taking ourselves too seriously, and taking CF policy too seriously, and in general overestimating what we can accomplish on these boards.

If this or that new CF policy is making us miserable, maybe it really isn't odd at all to rediscover all the things that can make these boards fun.

Zackly why drstevej is now RepDaddy!
I'm one happy Repzilla

[MrJim]

read the link - sometimes I can't help but think you're rather odd (not a criticism - just an observation - I like odd)

Maybe as a mod you could, you know, get him some sort of...help~~counseling, medication, exorcism...

[edb19]

Maybe as a mod you could, you know, get him some sort of...help~~counseling, medication, exorcism...

I probably shouldn't admit to unladylike behavior - but I snorted when I read your post:sorry:

[MrJim]

I probably shouldn't admit to unladylike behavior - but I snorted when I read your post:sorry:

We are dealing with serious stuff here...maybe even INTERVENTION or he may never recover, out on the streets, selling his commentaries for reps...strung out on stars...oh the horror...

[drstevej]

read the link - sometimes I can't help but think you're rather odd (not a criticism - just an observation - I like odd)


------------ Tribute to Erwin, in the Key of ~E~ ---------

Yesterday,
All 4U troubles seemed so far away,
Now it looks as though Lee's here to stay,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly,
We got half the clout that used to be,
There's the Nicene Creed hanging over me,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.

Why WI-KI
Had to go I don't know, Lee wouldn't say.
I've got,
them UC iconic blues, now I long for yesterday.


- RD

[MrJim]

http://bestsmileys.com/eek/7.giftoo.beautiful.for.words.

[Debi1967]

Maybe as a mod you could, you know, get him some sort of...help~~counseling, medication, exorcism...
Wait that is my job Recovery Mod to the Rescue.....:D

[drstevej]

http://bestsmileys.com/eek/7.giftoo.beautiful.for.words.

Then try reps ^_^

[drstevej]

Wait that is my job Recovery Mod to the Rescue.....:D

Repholics Motto:

Rehab is for QUITTERS!

[Debi1967]

Repholics Motto:

Rehab is for QUITTERS!
ROFL

I love the Rep Daddy :D :hug:

edited to add
appropriately repped

[drstevej]

Deb, too bad I'm out of reps cause I'd Repzilla Rep ya.
Come visit us in the blessings exchange Repaholics SubForum.

It is so threapeutic.

D'Ann is Rep Daddy's current REP Student and she'll soon be seeing stars!

[edb19]

http://bestsmileys.com/eek/7.giftoo.beautiful.for.words.

does sort of bring a tear to the eye doesn't it

[drstevej]

ROFL

I love the Rep Daddy :D :hug:

edited to add
appropriately repped

And....

Shame is for underachievers.
We repaholics ain't too proud to beg
In fact Shamelessness has it rewards.

HALL OF SHAME-lesness (http://christianforums.com/t6597263-hall-of-shame-lesness.html)

[drstevej]

ROFL

I love the Rep Daddy :D :hug:

edited to add
appropriately repped

Rep Debi Reps

[WarriorAngel]

Doing the cabbage patch dance. :P [Yea i know....]

Anyway, yea heard this a few days ago but figured i would celebrate with ya's.

[JPPT1974]

Glad that the reps are back again!

[synger]

If you're interested in voicing an opinion on what "promotion" is vs. "discussion", there's an thread in the DR forum (http://christianforums.com/f881-wiki-rules-discussion.html) where we're trying to think of some guidelines to suggest to TPTB.

[Disippelen]

How and where will this rule be implicated?

[synger]

The prohibition against promoting Non-Nicene Christianity is already one of the site-wide rules (http://christianforums.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rule_0) (third bullet). The question now is, what does that mean, and how should staff interpret it? Hence the discussion thread.

[Disippelen]

The prohibition against promoting Non-Nicene Christianity is already one of the site-wide rules (http://christianforums.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rule_0) (third bullet). The question now is, what does that mean, and how should staff interpret it? Hence the discussion thread.

Ah, I see. Most who call themselves Christians would agree with the essence of the Nicene Creed I'd guess. But movements like the Jehova's Witnesses, Mormons etc. would probably get trouble.

But isn't there a section for those quasi-Christian groups? I guess they could still be around although they would need to accept being treated as non-Christians.


Best,
Disippelen :)

[GreenMunchkin]

Hola, everyone :hug:

What's the dealio? Am so far out of the loop I can't even see the loop.

(Synger... the green A suits you soooo much!! :clap:)

[drstevej]

Hola, everyone :hug:

What's the dealio? Am so far out of the loop I can't even see the loop.

(Synger... the green A suits you soooo much!! :clap:)

GREENIE
So cool to see you!

drstevej became RepDaddy and is STAR laden. Check out the Blessing Exchange Repaholics Subforum. You'd love it!

[GreenMunchkin]

GREENIE
So cool to see you!

drstevej became RepDaddy and is STAR laden. Check out the Blessing Exchange Repaholics Subforum. You'd love it!What, no hug? :) :hug:

Ack, am about to turn my reps off, actually. But am so glad you got your forum :D Will stop in to have a nosey about and dish out some reppies... although am a minnow now.

So, seriously, CF is Nicene-affirming again? It sounds like a wonderful blessing... but some people are unsure. Is there badness?

[Nicki4Christ]

Hola, everyone :hug:

What's the dealio? Am so far out of the loop I can't even see the loop.

(Synger... the green A suits you soooo much!! :clap:)
Its so nice to see you!!! :clap:

I hope and pray all has been well with you :hug:

[drstevej]

What, no hug? :) :hug:

Ack, am about to turn my reps off, actually. But am so glad you got your forum :D Will stop in to have a nosey about and dish out some reppies... although am a minnow now.

So, seriously, CF is Nicene-affirming again? It sounds like a wonderful blessing... but some people are unsure. Is there badness?

:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

Don't turn the reps OFF. I want to get you to 10 STARS!

As to CF. LeeD announced his decision to not allow non-Nicene promotion on the site. YEAH.

Since that announcement, IMO, there has been the familiar lobbying trying to get him to reverse himself as Erwin often did.

So, it looks good so far and I appreciate Lee's stand!

[GreenMunchkin]

Its so nice to see you!!! :clap:

I hope and pray all has been well with you :hug:Hello, my angel :hug: Is really nice to see you, too :) How are you? :hug:

:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

Don't turn the reps OFF. I want to get you to 10 STARS!Nnnngh.

As to CF. LeeD announced his decision to not allow non-Nicene promotion on the site. YEAH.Ok... define "promotion", though. Like, is there still Mormon forums here?

Since that announcement, IMO, there has been the familiar lobbying trying to get him to reverse himself as Erwin often did.Yah, naturally. The constant tug and battle is pointless, though. The politics of this place is like a disease: it's endemic and horrible. It'll probably always be that way.

So, it looks good so far and I appreciate Lee's stand!Heh, I imagine the staff room has been windswept and interesting. Thing is, as long as Jesus is being held up and loved, and as long as people are being hugged when they need it, it's all good :)

[ReformedChapin]

Ok... define "promotion", though. Like, is there still Mormon forums here?

Yah, naturally. The constant tug and battle is pointless, though. The politics of this place is like a disease: it's endemic and horrible. It'll probably always be that way.

Heh, I imagine the staff room has been windswept and interesting. Thing is, as long as Jesus is being held up and loved, and as long as people are being hugged when they need it, it's all good :)
The staff has been rotated around and assined different positions. As far as the non-orthodox "christians" goes, they are not allowed to promote their ideas in this section but we cannot denounce them as non-christian.

The liberal forum now I'm guessing is more of a social club now.

[GreenMunchkin]

The staff has been rotated around and assined different positions. As far as the non-orthodox "christians" goes, they are not allowed to promote their ideas in this section but we cannot denounce them as non-christian.

The liberal forum now I'm guessing is more of a social club now.There's still non-Nicene staff, though...

Julio, of course we can't tell people they're not Christian. Who are we to say who is and isn't? Only the Lord knows.

The juxtaposition of "no non-Nicene promotion" + non-Nicene staff is very confusing. Humm.

Ugh, CF politics. Dull. Who's for a game of tennis!

[drstevej]

Yah, naturally. The constant tug and battle is pointless, though. The politics of this place is like a disease: it's endemic and horrible. It'll probably always be that way.

I hear ya, that is why drstevej is now RepDaddy. I dabble a bit in this area but most of my time is in the Rep area building community ans snagging stars.

[GreenMunchkin]

I hear ya, that is why drstevej is now RepDaddy. I dabble a bit in this area but most of my time is in the Rep area building community ans snagging stars.So, hey, when did RepDaddy start speaking in the third person? :P

[drstevej]

So, hey, when did RepDaddy start speaking in the third person? :P

That's hardly the worst of RepDaddy's Flaws!

[ReformedChapin]

There's still non-Nicene staff, though...

Julio, of course we can't tell people they're not Christian. Who are we to say who is and isn't? Only the Lord knows.

The juxtaposition of "no non-Nicene promotion" + non-Nicene staff is very confusing. Humm.

Ugh, CF politics. Dull. Who's for a game of tennis!
Simple, if you plainly attack the bible...wouldn't you say someone is plainly not a christian? I think some people make the signs more than clear.

[Criada]

Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

:)
That's all God requires.

[GreenMunchkin]

That's hardly the worst of RepDaddy's Flaws!Snort :D My favourite bit is that you've capitalized Flaws :pink:

Simple, if you plainly attack the bible...wouldn't you say someone is plainly not a christian? I think some people make the signs more than clear.Hmm... do you know, I can only respond to this because I've been away so long, and I've been spending time with people who are genuinely anti-Christian. As in, heaping scorn and blasphemy and hatred upon Jesus and upon His followers. So what goes on here is a tepid dream by comparison.

But, no, I don't see someone attacking the Bible as anti-Christian, necessarily. The Bible is inerrant, and it's spiritual sustenance, but the Bible isn't Christianity. Even attacking Jesus isn't definitive: who of us hasn't railed at Him on occasion?

And I have a real concern, bro: let's say someone is a relatively new Christian, or a Christian who is really struggling - either way, they're vulnerable. Someone *telling* them they're not a Christian could genuinely damage their walk, and I personally wouldn't want to have to explain to Jesus why I harmed one of His, much less why something I did made one of His squander their salvation. Better to have a millstone aound our neck...

Our fruits are visible, for sure. But we have our own fruit to deal with. If we're focusing on the beauty of God enough, we don't have time to focus on the "failings" of others.

I read a really nice thing: "Don't look down on someone unless you're helping them up." I like that :)

[drstevej]

Snort :D My favourite bit is that you've capitalized Flaws :pink:

Repaholics' Mottos:

Shame is for Underachievers.
Rehab is for Quitters.

[ReformedChapin]

Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

:)
That's all God requires.
You are using the bible to defend someone who is attacking the bible. Am I the only one who sees anything wrong with this? That's beside that scripture should be read systemtically in accordance with other scriptures.

One must be born again to be called a child of Christ.


Jesus replied, 1 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) “I tell you the solemn truth, 2 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) unless a person is born from above, 3 he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4




Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, 1 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) unless a person is born of water and spirit, 2 he cannot enter the kingdom of God.



Thats beside the fact that Jesus is the word incarnate. If you are rejecting the bible aren't you pretty much rejecting Christ?

Now 1 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) the Word became flesh 2 and took up residence 3 among us. We 4 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);) saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, 5 full of grace and truth, who came from the Father.

[ReformedChapin]

Snort :D My favourite bit is that you've capitalized Flaws :pink:

Hmm... do you know, I can only respond to this because I've been away so long, and I've been spending time with people who are genuinely anti-Christian. As in, heaping scorn and blasphemy and hatred upon Jesus and upon His followers. So what goes on here is a tepid dream by comparison.

But, no, I don't see someone attacking the Bible as anti-Christian, necessarily. The Bible is inerrant, and it's spiritual sustenance, but the Bible isn't Christianity. Even attacking Jesus isn't definitive: who of us hasn't railed at Him on occasion?

And I have a real concern, bro: let's say someone is a relatively new Christian, or a Christian who is really struggling - either way, they're vulnerable. Someone *telling* them they're not a Christian could genuinely damage their walk, and I personally wouldn't want to have to explain to Jesus why I harmed one of His, much less why something I did made one of His squander their salvation. Better to have a millstone aound our neck...

Our fruits are visible, for sure. But we have our own fruit to deal with. If we're focusing on the beauty of God enough, we don't have time to focus on the "failings" of others.

I read a really nice thing: "Don't look down on someone unless you're helping them up." I like that :)

I'm not going to debate this because it's going to explode in my face (like always). But some of you guys positions here are not what scripture is saying. I will just quote and let the bible speak for itself. After that, I will just stop.


My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


7:15 “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 20 (http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Mat&chapter=7#n20) 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered 21 (http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Mat&chapter=7#n21) from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? 22 (http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Mat&chapter=7#n22) 7:17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad 23 (http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Mat&chapter=7#n23) tree bears bad fruit. 7:18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit. 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 7:20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit


And I agree with helping those who are struggling, but I dont see people struggling here but insted purposefully attacking God's word.

[Criada]

K, perhaps we should just leave it there!
Don't want any more 'explosions,' brother, and I admire your zeal, even when we disagree on details. :hug:

[GreenMunchkin]

Where has all of this been discussed? I can't find a wiki discussy bit or an other discussy bit... does anyone have a linky, please?

[drstevej]

New Site Wide Rule Nicene Christianity (http://christianforums.com/t6777178-new-site-wide-rule-nicene-christianity.html)
Amendment to Non-nicene Annoucement (http://christianforums.com/t6795243-amendment-to-non-nicene-annoucement.html)
New Staff Structure Jan 2008 (http://christianforums.com/t6782231-new-staff-structure-jan-2008.html)

[Nikanor]

To the extent that the largest Christian board on the internet mandates itself to a home and a refuge for Christians who define their Christianity in terms of what has always been taught, I am encouraged.

A level playing field is a poor way to define either faith, belief or truth.

Progressive Christians had a chance to argue that their beliefs were authentic to the Christian traditon. they not only failed to make this argument, but they also failed to demonstrate that they were even interested in making such an argument. As time went on, it became more and more apparent that their version of Christian was directly opposed to the way that christianity has been expressed for the last two thousand years. They were interested in Christianity only to the extent that they would be able to change it from within.


Excellent points, especially
A level playing field is a poor way to define either faith, belief or truth.


Nikanor

[intricatic]

I wonder how it will be applied.