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jingwei
16th May 2004, 06:21 PM
If the time came, would you die a violent death in the Lord as the bible prophecied?

AdJesumPerMariam
16th May 2004, 06:36 PM
YES. I love the Lord, and he died a violent death for me.

BarbB
16th May 2004, 09:23 PM
Me, too. In fact I have dreamed that but so far I do not recognize the place or circumstances.

And welcome to CF! :wave:

LynneClomina
16th May 2004, 10:01 PM
Yaohushua ???

is that Jesus Christ?

if so, yes.

ydouxist
16th May 2004, 10:22 PM
Yes. I've thought about it many times.

VigilanteHamster
17th May 2004, 01:12 AM
Quite honestly, I'd probably flake out-- after all, look how devoted Peter claimed to be, and then he denied Jesus three times!

Jenna
17th May 2004, 10:48 AM
Yeah, I don't think that I could say for sure unless faced with the situation. Chances are, I'd be paralized with fear and not say anything either way. lol 'Course, I'd probably still be shot, just for being a pain in the bum.

It does bring to mind though, how changed the apostles were after Jesus reappeared to them. For all of the miracles that He peformed, He was still denied at the time of His death. However, after He appeared to the apostles, they were moved to the point of doing His good work without fear. I mean, after all, weren't all but one martyred? Must take something very moving to cause a man who denied His Lord to change his tune and embrace a life that leaves him persecuted and eventually crucified. I'd like to think that I could be like Peter after the ressurection, but my fear is that I'd be more like him during Jesus' "trial". Workin on it though. ;)

dsdumpling
17th May 2004, 11:56 AM
Yes!

didaskalos
17th May 2004, 11:56 AM
I wish the opportunity would present itself.
But there are people who need me here.

So I would if there was no way out.

I think He would rather us live for Him than die for Him.

jingwei
17th May 2004, 03:01 PM
That opportunity would present itself sooner than most of you think.

Mimi
17th May 2004, 03:06 PM
Only when it happens I will know for sure.....I just can not answer that question.

Tenorvoice
17th May 2004, 08:34 PM
I would die for Him ...He died for me and I have my bags packed and ready to go!

Bizzlebin Imperatoris
17th May 2004, 09:24 PM
This is a superb question. Whether or not you would die for Jesus is one of the ultimate tests of faith. Anyone who claims to be a man or woman of faith definately needs to think this through.

LynneClomina
17th May 2004, 10:57 PM
i read a story once about how a bunch of missionaries in japan like 500(?) years ago were told by the local (shogun?) that they had to either renounce Jesus and walk on a picture of Him as a show of that renunciation, or be beheaded. the (true) story said that almost all the believers refused to walk on His picture in renunciation, and were thus beheaded. as a result of the overwhelming testimony that gave to the locals of the missionaries faith in this "God", many were coverted. i am unsure as to whether those who remained ministered to them, lost faith as they had renounced Christ, or what. did they have to wait for new missionaries? i wonder, but this story has always had an impact on me.

the one things i question about myself, is: if i was faced with a stone cold decision to make like these missionaries had to make, i am sure i would make the right choice. where i think i might fail, is by, oh, say i was with a group that was raided, and spur of the moment i had to either duck to save my life (and thus fail in my testimony in some way) or be bold and stand. where would my "instincts" or "reflexes" take me in that? am i dead to myself enough that my first instinct would be one of courage??? i dont know. i examine myself on this quite frequently, and to date i am quite a chicken!!!

Sign Of The Fish Burger
18th May 2004, 02:59 PM
Wow great post by the way :)

This is most definetly a hard question to even think about. Its something I have thought about many times actually. And my inital answer would be that I would absolutely die for Christ's sake, then deny him. I could not immagine spending an eternity without him...
But, who actually knows unless one was put in that situation. I would hope and pray, that I would beable to think rationally at that moment, and not freeze up with fear. It would especially be hard if you had to die, knowing that you were leaving behind children. Im not a mother, but I wonder if that would sway one;s situation...(Or then again I could be looking to into this:))

Anyways, without a doubt, I would die for the sake of my Saviour. Its the very least I could do for him, because he did SO much for me

Buccaneer
18th May 2004, 05:34 PM
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

TerabyTe
18th May 2004, 05:36 PM
Yes. He died for me, it's only fair for me to die for Him as well:D

linda4jesus
18th May 2004, 08:55 PM
I would be scared.....but would never deny my Jesus. I believe all of us would be scared if in that situation. But if a person says they are a Christian but then deny Christ just to save their own hide, I don't believe they were ever a true believer.

This life is only a temporary assignment and a drop in the bucket to compared to eternity. Jesus tell us that if we deny knowing Him, He in turn will deny knowing us.

Plan 9
18th May 2004, 10:20 PM
I suppose that that's the kind of situation in which I would have to find myself, in order to know for certain, but I once stood between a man I didn't know at all well and the .38 special which was aimed at him, and spoke to the woman who was now holding it on me, because he had once saved a friend's life. This leads me to belief that with God's help, I might be up to it, since that was a spur of the moment sort of thing?

The hardest part for me may be living for him. :blush:

Bayhawks83
19th May 2004, 12:10 AM
yes

HerdLady
19th May 2004, 01:31 AM
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, as I've been reading more about what our brothers and sisters in North Korea are going through. It's another Holocaust over there. I think about how they are dying, under horrible conditions and I am so humbled. THEY are the mighty warriors of the faith. It is these martyrs, who die with few people even knowing their names, that will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. I'm just a spoiled American with more freedom than I know what to do with. Could I really lay my life down for the Lord?

However, God has never asked me to do anything that He didn't give me a measure of faith for. If I am called to be a martyr, I believe He will give me the faith I need to look my accuser square in the eye and tell them "go for it, because I will never renounce."

I do believe martyrs are chosen. If you become one, it's no accident. And it's an honor. My flesh, of course, doesn't like the idea. My spirit, at the thought of it, gets excited at the possibility that God would include me in that precious number that will be martyred before the end.

phantasma
19th May 2004, 02:24 AM
If the situation ever presented itself, I hope I would choose to die.

However, since most of us (I hope) aren't and won't get into that kind of situation, the question is quite hypothetical.

Brooke
19th May 2004, 06:04 PM
I've thought about that.
And I know it sounds awful, not to mention cowardly, but I truly can't say for sure what I would do. Anyone can say that they will never leave God, but times are peaceful now... of course that is the obvious answer, our souls aren't yet filled with the fear and oppression of the events of the Last Days. But how many of us will truly live out that claim? Peter himself failed God after swearing to Jesus--SWEARING-- that he would never abandon Him. But when the time came, he denied Him-- and he wasn't even being threatened with death when it happened!

So, I can't honestly say what I'd do if I were asked to deny God or die. And I really don't want to know if I will ever be called to make such a decision. My soul, spirit and common sense wholeheartedly say "I would die, yes indeed!" But what if the time comes and I find out that the death in question involves... torture? What will I do then?
I'm sorry, but I am being honest.

blessedbe
20th May 2004, 10:13 AM
Story I heard....

2 men walked into a large christian church during services with guns and announced "Who's ready to Die for God??" Most of the clergy fled, most of the members fled, all of the choir fled and most of band fled. Leaving one minister, a couple of band members and about 10 of the congregation. The gunmen put their guns down and announced "We got rid of all the hyprocrites for you, sir, now you can continue your sermon" and walked out the door.

I'm sure I didn't repeat that quite right, but it's the gist of it. It makes you stop and think anyway. Would you be one that fled? Or stayed? I'd like to think I'd be one that stayed....I don't think I could live with the guilt if I'd have left....

I think the reason the apostles were able to stand up for their beliefs and die martyrs deaths after Jesus' ressurection yet denied him before was the Holy Spirit. They did not have the Holy Spirit before. It's the Holy Spirit within us that convicts us, and helps us despite our real natures!!!

jingwei
20th May 2004, 10:30 AM
Hahaha! Because Peter denied him, many of you are saying that it was justified in your hearts. Don't deny it.
Time are NOT peaceful. Wars are happening everywhere. JEsus warned us that he will be coming when no one expects him. When he does surprise you, it might not be a good thing.

qhane
23rd May 2004, 11:31 AM
Not sure where the verse is found but I'll quote it
One who puts his armour on , should not boast like one who takes it off.

Southtown
23rd May 2004, 01:03 PM
That's the million dollar question, isn't it? :confused:
I wouldn't presume to be so brave. If the Lord has chosen me for that, I can only pray for strength.

"Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation.
The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."
-- Mark 14:38

Shay2005
23rd May 2004, 01:31 PM
I would die for God and only God.

praying
23rd May 2004, 02:28 PM
Yeah, I don't think that I could say for sure unless faced with the situation. Chances are, I'd be paralized with fear and not say anything either way. lol 'Course, I'd probably still be shot, just for being a pain in the bum.

It does bring to mind though, how changed the apostles were after Jesus reappeared to them. For all of the miracles that He peformed, He was still denied at the time of His death. However, after He appeared to the apostles, they were moved to the point of doing His good work without fear. I mean, after all, weren't all but one martyred? Must take something very moving to cause a man who denied His Lord to change his tune and embrace a life that leaves him persecuted and eventually crucified. I'd like to think that I could be like Peter after the ressurection, but my fear is that I'd be more like him during Jesus' "trial". Workin on it though. ;)

I agree Jenna, with your honest assesment. I would truly hope that I would but to just say yes I think for me is being dishonest to the Lord and myself. If the time ever came I can only say that I would pray to give me the strength to do for Him what He has done for me. And of course what he has done for me is so much more then what I could ever hope to do for Him.


Thank You Jesus for allowing me a sinner the ability to be with you forever through your sacrfice.


:bow: :bow:

Amen

New Creation
25th May 2004, 10:00 AM
Story I heard....

2 men walked into a large christian church during services with guns and announced "Who's ready to Die for God??" Most of the clergy fled, most of the members fled, all of the choir fled and most of band fled. Leaving one minister, a couple of band members and about 10 of the congregation. The gunmen put their guns down and announced "We got rid of all the hyprocrites for you, sir, now you can continue your sermon" and walked out the door.

I'm sure I didn't repeat that quite right, but it's the gist of it. It makes you stop and think anyway. Would you be one that fled? Or stayed? I'd like to think I'd be one that stayed....I don't think I could live with the guilt if I'd have left....

I think the reason the apostles were able to stand up for their beliefs and die martyrs deaths after Jesus' ressurection yet denied him before was the Holy Spirit. They did not have the Holy Spirit before. It's the Holy Spirit within us that convicts us, and helps us despite our real natures!!!

THAT, my friend, is a great story.

I heard one too and I believe it is true. There were 2 men and a little girl, all Christian, living in soviet Russia back when it was illegal to worship. Their house was crashed by KGB and the three were told if they spit on a picture of Christ, their lives would be saved. The two men spit on the picture, but the little girl refused to, even after the two men were shot dead in front of her. They spared her life because they said "A true Russian would die for what they believe in."

Like HerdLady, I believe martyrs are chosen as well. I would consider it an honour to die for my Lord- at least I do now. I hope that I could die with the dignity of having proclaimed His name, and forgiving my executioner. A gunshot would be one thing, torture would be harder.

As Plan 9 said though, the toughest part may be living for Him.

Bayhawks83
25th May 2004, 12:04 PM
http://jesus-is-lord.com/jihad.htm

Dust and Ashes
25th May 2004, 01:40 PM
Like HerdLady, I believe martyrs are chosen as well. I would consider it an honour to die for my Lord- at least I do now. I hope that I could die with the dignity of having proclaimed His name, and forgiving my executioner. A gunshot would be one thing, torture would be harder. I would die for Him without reservation but it is what might happen leading up to that death that scares me. If placed in a situation such as the people in Sudan I know for certain that I would die but I fear that I wouldn't go meekly, praying for my killers but rather in a bloody haze of wrath and rage, madly fighting against my attackers. I hope that if I'm ever in that situation, the Holy Spirit will fill me with a peace so overwhelming that it will drown my anger and instincts.

One other post made me think about this...What if the gun was pointed at your husband/wife or your child? Would you renounce Jesus to save their life?

TenPin
25th May 2004, 06:38 PM
I believe in Jesus more than I believe in bullets.

If its not the time God has set for me to die then I won't die.

After all, if I die how can I do God's will on the earth. This does of course mean I have to make sure I am doing God's will.

I don't see death as a negative thing anyway. What's so bad about going to be with God for eternity ?

Serapha
25th May 2004, 11:00 PM
Eighty and six years have I served Him, and he never did me any injury; how then can I blaspheme my King and my Savior. --Polycarp, disciple of the apostle John, and Bishop of Smyrna


Acts 5:41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.


I have no doubts that I would die for what I believe.... either concerning my faith or my convictions.


~serapha~

violetstar
4th June 2004, 09:34 PM
Yes, if I knew GOD was truly leading me.

ydouxist
4th June 2004, 11:21 PM
40 out of 41 said yes so far. 97%

he_is_risen!!
5th June 2004, 06:08 PM
first off I would die for the Lord. And the way I see it, I'm gonna die sooner or later why not go out standing up for what I beleave in ?!

Utah Knight
29th June 2004, 04:10 AM
yes i will die for him for earthly life is nothing in comparrison to liveing forever in heven or a pardise earth

Paddy the Irishman
29th June 2004, 04:39 AM
I find it easy to say "I will die for Jesus"
But until the day arrives all I can really say truthfully out of my heart is....I hope I will not "flake out" and choose to die for my LORD no matter what I go thru" Becoz I know the devil will try to break me and everyone of us.
I just pray that Jesus will keep me strong when the time comes.

Gotta be honest with you. :)