Hostility toward Christians (split from Non-Christian Moderators)

[Latreia]

It all depends on the idea of being able to set aside personal priorities.

Frankly, what I am seeing from staff, whether Christian or non-Christian, is a kind of blindness to the ones trying to report actual rudeness and offensiveness.
Too many times, the staff simply sees nothing wrong at all and their usual cant is that "it does not contain any infraction of the rules."

Anyone actually read the current "rules"?
They have simply been broken down into guidelines which are wide open to staff interpretation.

Come to think of it, more along the lines of suggestions, and far from rules. The only time that ones see anything about vulgarity or obscenity mentioned is way down in the IRC section:

"Vulgarity and obscenity will result in being kicked from the channel and banned for 10 minutes, after which you will be able to rejoin."

The closest we see in the main forum rules is this:

"Don't post graphics or text you would not be comfortable sharing with someone's grandmother."

That is just really clever, cute, and meaningless.

So what does this begin to really look like?
It looks a lot like the new webmaster can feel just fine about whether those with the older Chrsitian traditions, morals, and manners get hurt or not.

Sink or swim, to put it plainly. Maybe even prepare to be deliberately drowned.

So it comes to this: CF will be what is will be, what the members and staff make it.
The struggle to assure that it is consistently in accord with mainstream Christians is no longer the issue.

Since it now does belong to the newer, popular versions of Christianity, appealling to the younger members of this forum site and more in accord with the new, more secular, relativistic, liberal trends, this forum belongs to them

The only change that would be really appropriate is a far more (less?) generic title that leads to some expectations for those whose Christian faith is not along the modern preferences.

So why not title it:

New Christians Forum

That is far more honest, altho still subtle, and yet should make it even more attractive to those who want to change all views about the Bible, Jesus, and God into the less restrictive and more wide open perspectives.

[Latreia]

It all depends on the idea of being able to set aside personal priorities.

Frankly, what I am seeing from staff, whether Christian or non-Christian, is a kind of blindness to the ones trying to report actual rudeness and offensiveness.
Too many times, the staff simply sees nothing wrong at all and their usual cant is that "it does not contain any infraction of the rules."

Anyone actually read the current "rules"?
They have simply been broken down into guidelines which are wide open to staff interpretation.

Come to think of it, more along the lines of suggestions, and far from rules. The only time that ones see anything about vulgarity or obscenity mentioned is way down in the IRC section:

"Vulgarity and obscenity will result in being kicked from the channel and banned for 10 minutes, after which you will be able to rejoin."

The closest we see in the main forum rules is this:

"Don't post graphics or text you would not be comfortable sharing with someone's grandmother."

That is just really clever, cute, and meaningless.

So what does this begin to really look like?
It looks a lot like the new webmaster can feel just fine about whether those with the older Chrsitian traditions, morals, and manners get hurt or not.

Sink or swim, to put it plainly. Maybe even prepare to be deliberately drowned.

So it comes to this: CF will be what is will be, what the members and staff make it.
The struggle to assure that it is consistently in accord with mainstream Christians is no longer the issue.

Since it now does belong to the newer, popular versions of Christianity, appealling to the younger members of this forum site and more in accord with the new, more secular, relativistic, liberal trends, this forum belongs to them

The only change that would be really appropriate is a far more (less?) generic title that leads to some expectations for those whose Christian faith is not along the modern preferences.

So why not title it:

New Christians Forum

That is far more honest, altho still subtle, and yet should make it even more attractive to those who want to change all views about the Bible, Jesus, and God into the less restrictive and more wide open perspectives.

[Latreia]

There is no way to determine the real age of those who are posting in teens, some posts seem far more advanced with socio-political issues than most average teens are.



How does that compare with the hateful arena of General Apologetics?

This thread also has other CF teens expressing apologies for the claims in the OP.

Here is one of the first posts by the OP, who demanded no flames on this thread:

Exactly, you can give an answer without having to flame someone you know, it's called showing respect Jayton, you know.

http://christianforums.com/t6696988-what-are-your-opinion-on-atheists.html

Well, isn't that special.

[BlazeLight]

CF Teens is full of high-schoolers. Some people are more advanced and that is why you see some more advanced posts. For the drama, I have one word: cliques. Teens have an innate instinct to form a group and then conform to its norms, which may include being rude to non-members. Teens also have a tendency to overdramatize, tattle (spite report), play the victim and generally be cruel to one another. So instead of making a blanket statement about non-Christians, understand that it's both sides, and that teens are pretty horrible to each other in general. That said, no-one should be flaming anyone.:)

[Latreia]

Fine.

[CaDan]

It all depends on the idea of being able to set aside personal priorities.

Frankly, what I am seeing from staff, whether Christian or non-Christian, is a kind of blindness to the ones trying to report actual rudeness and offensiveness.
Too many times, the staff simply sees nothing wrong at all and their usual cant is that "it does not contain any infraction of the rules."

Anyone actually read the current "rules"?
They have simply been broken down into guidelines which are wide open to staff interpretation.


Last year I wrote and Erwin adopted very specific and detailed Rules.

Everybody complained.

A week later, Murron and I revised the Rules. They were still specific and detailed.

Everybody complained.

This summer, Erwin let members write the Rules themselves.

Everybody complained.

This fall, Lee promulgated the current Rules.

Everybody complained.

[Latreia]

Whose bright idea was it to fling open the Christian Teens forum to atheists and anti-Christians? They are spreading their agenda of bias and brainwashing constantly now.

There is no way to determine the real age of those who are posting in teens, some posts seem far more advanced with socio-political issues than most average teens are.

One thread is promoting positive views of atheist and agnostics, claiming they are ignored by members on CF.

How does that compare with the hateful arena of General Apologetics?

This thread also has other CF teens expressing apologies for the claims in the OP.

Here is one of the first posts by the OP, who demanded no flames on this thread:

Exactly, you can give an answer without having to flame someone you know, it's called showing respect Jayton, you know.

http://christianforums.com/t6696988-what-are-your-opinion-on-atheists.html

Well, isn't that special.

Here I hope to apologize for making use of the word "brainwashing" and I now know that it is incorrect to describe atheists.

Since I have researched the word, Google, Wikipedia, etc. I realize that the word is only used to describe what the Christians use to force religion on their children. The results from Google of this use of the word by atheists to describe Christianity are quite numerous and every link is about atheists saying it over and over.

It is also used to describe the evils of new religious cults, i.e., the correct use is never to be used other than describing religious abuse against others.

I understand now that moderators do not recognize atheists doing anything in the Christian Teens forum except trying to rescue them from irrational ideas and forced beliefs of God from an early age.

I am now persuaded that I was very wrong and hope that my remorse and apologies can be accepted by CF Staff and all CF Atheists.

Thank you.

:sigh:

[Richard]

Edited Out.

Hi Lateria,

The Fatal Error that you have quoted, is a bug. The report has been made, twice. I'm sorry for the confusion that it might have brought. I assure you, that no one is protected from being reported. Everyone can be reported.

Mac

[Latreia]

CaDan's Third Law--it applies even to discussions of message board policy. :D


Then what do you think of the following as the most accurate title for CF?

~Elsewhere~ Christians Forum.

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Ramona]

Then what do you think of the following as the most accurate title for CF?

~Elsewhere~ Christians Forum.

Ha...ha? Really, I think this was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but I don't get it.

WorldFriction aka Saint ~Elsewhere~ (and PROUD of it! :thumbsup:)

[Latreia]

Ha...ha? Really, I think this was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but I don't get it.

WorldFriction aka Saint ~Elsewhere~ (and PROUD of it! :thumbsup:)

You cannot imagine how much I wish it were possible to have been posted "tongue-in-cheek" as in a silly joke.

But even atheists do not avoid realities.

:sigh:

[Ramona]

You cannot imagine how much I wish it were possible to have been posted "tongue-in-cheek" as in a silly joke.

But even atheists do not avoid realities.

:sigh:

Do you really think The Atheists (TM) are trying to overthrow CF or something?

WF (Non-Christian Religion forum Dictator)

[OddBeani]

I'm sure every Atheist, agnostic, Pagan, Pantheist, Muslim or anything else is just inspired by the devotion to love and acceptance we're showing here.

It really gives a nice warm and fuzzy feeling...

[Rep Daddy]

Dang, www.warmfuzzy.com is taken!

[Latreia]

I'm sure every Atheist, agnostic, Pagan, Pantheist, Muslim or anything else is just inspired by the devotion to love and acceptance we're showing here.

It really gives a nice warm and fuzzy feeling...

From what I have seen, atheists and other non-Christians find Christian love and acceptance anathema. Makes them feel sick.

But it is a good way to project shame and guilt on Christians by not cowering enough to atheistic preaching.

CF has one self-declared Atheist Christian. What's the problem?

Staff and members alike simply use the Christian icon any way they wish. That has now become completely meaningless.

And worse, icons can be used against orthodox and traditional Christians.

:sigh:

[BlazeLight]

From what I have seen, atheists and other non-Christians find Christian love and acceptance anathema. Makes them feel sick.

But it is a good way to project shame and guilt on Christians by not cowering enough to atheistic preaching.

CF has one self-declared Atheist Christian. What's the problem?

Staff and members alike simply use the Christian icon any way they wish. That has now become completely meaningless.

And worse, icons can be used against orthodox and traditional Christians.

:sigh:
What we find anathema is being told we're evil.

[OddBeani]

From what I have seen, atheists and other non-Christians find Christian love and acceptance anathema. Makes them feel sick.

But it is a good way to project shame and guilt on Christians by not cowering enough to atheistic preaching.

CF has one self-declared Atheist Christian. What's the problem?

Staff and members alike simply use the Christian icon any way they wish. That has now become completely meaningless.

And worse, icons can be used against orthodox and traditional Christians.
Those who have nothing to be ashamed of shouldn't feel a thing.

From what I have seen, and from my friends on this board and elsewhere, Atheists who see acceptance tend to not think of 'us' not as bad as they have heard. Interesting.

[Tenebrae]

What we find anathema is being told we're evil.funny that:doh:

:hug:on behalf of those people, a million apologies

[Latreia]

Those who have nothing to be ashamed of shouldn't feel a thing.

From what I have seen, and from my friends on this board and elsewhere, Atheists who see acceptance tend to not think of 'us' not as bad as they have heard. Interesting.

What is also interesting is that any atheistic acceptance of Christianity and the rights of Christians to their faith without attacks and sarcastic remarks would certainly make "us" tend to not think of them as "bad" -- although they are still accusing "us".


Odd note: the prejudicial use of 'us' to indicate Christians. It is the same as this:

Atheists who see acceptance tend to not think of 'Christians' not as bad as they have heard. Interesting.

A subtle way of putting a label on those who are not acting in the ways approved by liberal Christians and atheists, who tend to support each other quite openly.

Interesting, indeed.

:confused:

[tapero]

All believers are the church - all BELIEVERS - NOT non believers. The church isnt a building or a place - its the group of believers. This is not a secular board.

Again it was promised there would be no non believers in admininstration or senior staff when this was discussed before - again it was not true.

Looks like if such a promise were given, minds were changed. Happens. And I'm very glad for the new non Christian admin. She'll do an awesome job!




From what I have seen, atheists and other non-Christians find Christian love and acceptance anathema. Makes them feel sick.

But it is a good way to project shame and guilt on Christians by not cowering enough to atheistic preaching.

CF has one self-declared Atheist Christian. What's the problem?

Staff and members alike simply use the Christian icon any way they wish. That has now become completely meaningless.

And worse, icons can be used against orthodox and traditional Christians.

:sigh:

That's odd! Your first para above saying non christians find Christian love anathema.

My whole family are non Christians as well as some friends, and never seen any one of them say that they don't desire my love cause I'm a Christian. Nor do they consider my love anathema.

They don't find my Christian love anathema to them. Strange that!:scratch:

So, not sure what universe you hang out in where non Christians tell you your love is anathema to them; as it is we - the Christians who love the non Christians which is what is part of what draws people to Christ, which may not have been the case in how you came to Christ, but is the case in how many many come to Christ, for as you may well know, it given by Christ for us to love others and reach out to others and to share the gospel.

On to your 2nd para, proselytizing for faiths other than Christianity is not allowed in most forums to my knowledge, and I know for sure in debate forums, that is discussion and debate forums on debate team.

I dont' know what you mean by the atheistic Christian member, but of a gazzillion members on cf you are concerned with one person?

Any idea of the zillion sort of Christians on this site?

Icons were always meaningless, as just as there are non Christians sitting in your church every sunday, those who to all appearances to others are Christian but in fact are not, and they themselves may not be aware, but can assure you there are many who are aware who are in churches, and are there for political, or business, or to be seen, etc, all manner of reasons are non Christians in church, and say they are Christians and you are sitting right next to them, and perhaps have had them over your house.

So point being anyone has always had the ability to say they are Christian and saying one is a Christian doesn't mean they are, and to boot, many know the church speak to speak so that they are not spotted, that is if they are aware they are not Christian.

As well as there are those Christians who are Christians, but perhaps in your opinion and judgment they are not, but funny thing, to God they are. And they've got a Christian icon as well.

How are icons used against whatever you mean by traditional and orthodox Christians?


What is also interesting is that any atheistic acceptance of Christianity and the rights of Christians to their faith without attacks and sarcastic remarks would certainly make "us" tend to not think of them as "bad" -- although they are still accusing "us".


Odd note: the prejudicial use of 'us' to indicate Christians. It is the same as this:

Atheists who see acceptance tend to not think of 'Christians' not as bad as they have heard. Interesting.

A subtle way of putting a label on those who are not acting in the ways approved by liberal Christians and atheists, who tend to support each other quite openly.

Interesting, indeed.

:confused:

You may desire to stay away from the debate team forums for one, so that you are not threatened in any way by the same people who are also in this world, who we speak with every day, as you may possibly run into one who may attack you or make sarcastic remarks (IF) you speak to them about your faith.

Interestingly enough; I recall Jesus going through such, and said we will however run into such as well.

However, is where I majority post, that is in forums majority non Christians; and as like any Christian can make sarcastic remarks so can non Christians and such does occur. Is the same as with any poster, it all depends on that member.

Classifying all non christians one way is wrong (not correct), and is called predjudice, and classifying all Christians one way by non Christians is also wrong (incorrect) and is also predjudice.

Much pain however that non christians feel and you may see vented; is in response to the nightmare Christians who think for some odd reason that non christians are trash, and well, it's a long story of what occurs here on cf.

The accuser of the brethren, by the way is satan, and moreso comes through Christians on cf, as non Christians rarely accuse Christians.

Christians accuse Christians, such as those who say oh, you're not really a Christian cause of x y z or whatever else the one who apparently knows mens hearts comes up with and posts about another.

So Christians are used by satan or rather satan uses to his advantage those Christians who accuse Christians of many things and the same also makes non Christians feel like garbage and treats them as if they are garbage.

As if God calls a Christian to do so, which indeed He does not, but nonetheless the great dread and fear of non Christians again is fairly interesting and amazing to see, as all of us were once non christians.

Somehow again, some Christians forget they were non Christians, and further neglect the word of God as pertains to those who are not Christians.

So anyway, why are you afraid again of non c's being mods?

[Latreia]

That's odd! Your first para above saying non christians find Christian love anathema.

My whole family are non Christians as well as some friends, and never seen any one of them say that they don't desire my love cause I'm a Christian. Nor do they consider my love anathema.

They don't find my Christian love anathema to them. Strange that!:scratch:


........

So anyway, why are you afraid again of non c's being mods?




Since this post provides the best example I have ever seen of neutralizing statements of those who oppose the liberal Christian and Atheistic perspectives, I won't waste my time on the entire thing.

Just examining the first "debate point" made, the usual misinterpretation and switch to an entirely irrelevent example:

Tapero, do you really think that I was talking about your family and friends experiences?

No question that in real life, the kind of attitudes and comments made in CF General Apologetics, as well as other fora here, would not be tolerated by persons in real life.

You avoid the real animosity and insults CF Christians are forced to endure on these threads.

And your last line is not only completely incorrect, as I never implied any fear, but it is deliberately sarcastic and misleading:

So anyway, why are you afraid again of non c's being mods?

On the good side, your entire post is a perfect lesson on how to misinterpret everything another member posted, dissemble facts, and also invalidate another poster's integrity and intelligence.

[tapero]

Since this post provides the best example I have ever seen of neutralizing statements of those who oppose the liberal Christian and Atheistic perspectives, I won't waste my time on the entire thing.

Just examining the first "debate point" made, the usual misinterpretation and switch to an entirely irrelevent example:

Tapero, do you really think that I was talking about your family and friends experiences?

No question that in real life, the kind of attitudes and comments made in CF General Apologetics, as well as other fora here, would not be tolerated by persons in real life.

You avoid the real animosity and insults CF Christians are forced to endure on these threads.

And your last line is not only completely incorrect, as I never implied any fear, but it is deliberately sarcastic and misleading:

So anyway, why are you afraid again of non c's being mods?

On the good side, your entire post is a perfect lesson on how to misinterpret everything another member posted, dissemble facts, and also invalidate another poster's integrity and intelligence.

Well, yes, you are talking about my family and friends in this statement, as you are talking of all non believers in this your statement:


Originally Posted by Latreia http://www3.christianforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=42440144#post42440144)
From what I have seen, atheists and other non-Christians find Christian love and acceptance anathema. Makes them feel sick.


And my family and friends are not sick about my love, nor are the people in discussion and debate forums sick over Christian love, or is my love and acceptance anathema to them, so not sure how you missed what you said above about atheists and other non christians.

On your comment about liberal and atheistic perspectives, I didn't go back far enough to know what your speaking about as pertains to that. Though I did go back to all of today's posts before I replied in last post, so I must've missed previous postings about
your 'opposition of liberal and atheistic perspectives.'

you wrote:

You avoid the real animosity and insults CF Christians are forced to endure on these threads.


You aren't forced to endure anything. You can log off, scramble your password.

And in no wise are the non Christians here, the majority who are giving animosity and insults here on cf. imo

Majority is done by Christians who desire Christians to be made in their image, or if differs from their beliefs as pertains to Christianity then are called x, y, or z.

As you said is different than real life, but what's different is not how atheists or non christians post (for the most part), it's how Christians treat non Christians and regard them, which they'll do here, but would never do in real life, as they'd lose their job, spouse, child, whatever if they talked to those, the same way they post here to non Christians.

If you do any reading in the forums where non Christians are the majority, it won't take you but 2 minutes to understand why non Christians may reveal feelings they do, as the nightmare Christians here as I said, treat such as dogs, garbage, filth, etc.

So what mods are you having to endure and who are you feeling animosity from. If not mods;

what forums are you talking about if you are not talking about non christian mods.

you wrote:

You avoid the real animosity and insults CF Christians are forced to endure on these threads.


How do you figure that? I'm a CF Christian and in no wise forced to endure anything. And the worse thing going on this forum is how Christians are to other Christians.

Now, if a Christian goes about with self righeousness and superiority and all that, that kind is gonna run into many problems here, and should, and I'm glad they do.

Of course those mentioned above in particular when do run into difficulties, then say they are doing wonders for the kindgdom as they are suffering persecution for Gods sake, and must be striking a nerve, someone must be convicted, etc, when in actuality their self righteousness, pride, hatred and disdain for others not like them, etc is the cause of the replies they get.

Not saying such of you as don't know how you post, but is a common occurance and a reaping of what is sown.

In no wise did I take your post other than at face value and if I misunderstood what I read, I apologize, but I took what I read and replied to what was there.

Please let me know what forums you are talking about where you are getting animosity and insults.

[Latreia]

Since this post provides the best example I have ever seen of neutralizing statements of those who oppose the liberal Christian and Atheistic perspectives, I won't waste my time on the entire thing.

Just examining the first "debate point" made, the usual misinterpretation and switch to an entirely irrelevent example:

Tapero, do you really think that I was talking about your family and friends experiences?

No question that in real life, the kind of attitudes and comments made in CF General Apologetics, as well as other fora here, would not be tolerated by persons in real life.

You avoid the real animosity and insults CF Christians are forced to endure on these threads.

And your last line is not only completely incorrect, as I never implied any fear, but it is deliberately sarcastic and misleading:

So anyway, why are you afraid again of non c's being mods?

On the good side, your entire post is a perfect lesson on how to misinterpret everything another member posted, dissemble facts, and also invalidate another poster's integrity and intelligence.


Friday, 1/11/08

Today I was advised to edit this post, as the last line I wrote was deemed a rule violation:

Flaming, baiting, trolling, or feeding trolls is not allowed. This also applies to groups. In other words, play nice, don't hurt others, nor call them names.

What I really think is the problem here is that I did not quote the entire post which was addressed to me, personally, and not just actually answering my post with actual quotes that I wrote. This poster simply reinterpreted almost everything I said and then implied many insults at me personally, by refering to my own church and my alliance with satan for criticizing what I do not agree with about atheists and liberal Christians.

For the sake of all members and Staff, I think a new rule needs to be written that warns Christians against trying to defend themselves and correct those who wish to portray them as being of satan, even if they are church going Christians.

With a new rule like that, I would understand that have to simply endure, and never answer, false accusations and attacks on my personal life for the privilege of posting anything at all as my own views and opinions.

Thank you.


Looks like if such a promise were given, minds were changed. Happens. And I'm very glad for the new non Christian admin. She'll do an awesome job!



That's odd! Your first para above saying non christians find Christian love anathema.

My whole family are non Christians as well as some friends, and never seen any one of them say that they don't desire my love cause I'm a Christian. Nor do they consider my love anathema.

They don't find my Christian lo:scratch:ve anathema to them. Strange that!



So, not sure what universe you hang out in where non Christians tell you your love is anathema to them; as it is we - the Christians who love the non Christians which is what is part of what draws people to Christ, which may not have been the case in how you came to Christ, but is the case in how many many come to Christ, for as you may well know, it given by Christ for us to love others and reach out to others and to share the gospel.


On to your 2nd para, proselytizing for faiths other than Christianity is not allowed in most forums to my knowledge, and I know for sure in debate forums, that is discussion and debate forums on debate team.


I dont' know what you mean by the atheistic Christian member, but of a gazzillion members on cf you are concerned with one person?


Any idea of the zillion sort of Christians on this site?


Icons were always meaningless, as just as there are non Christians sitting in your church every sunday, those who to all appearances to others are Christian but in fact are not, and they themselves may not be aware, but can assure you there are many who are aware who are in churches, and are there for political, or business, or to be seen, etc, all manner of reasons are non Christians in church, and say they are Christians and you are sitting right next to them, and perhaps have had them over your house.


So point being anyone has always had the ability to say they are Christian and saying one is a Christian doesn't mean they are, and to boot, many know the church speak to speak so that they are not spotted, that is if they are aware they are not Christian.


As well as there are those Christians who are Christians, but perhaps in your opinion and judgment they are not, but funny thing, to God they are. And they've got a Christian icon as well.


How are icons used against whatever you mean by traditional and orthodox Christians?




You may desire to stay away from the debate team forums for one, so that you are not threatened in any way by the same people who are also in this world, who we speak with every day, as you may possibly run into one who may attack you or make sarcastic remarks (IF) you speak to them about your faith.


Interestingly enough; I recall Jesus going through such, and said we will however run into such as well.


However, is where I majority post, that is in forums majority non Christians; and as like any Christian can make sarcastic remarks so can non Christians and such does occur. Is the same as with any poster, it all depends on that member.


Classifying all non christians one way is wrong (not correct), and is called predjudice, and classifying all Christians one way by non Christians is also wrong (incorrect) and is also predjudice.


Much pain however that non christians feel and you may see vented; is in response to the nightmare Christians who think for some odd reason that non christians are trash, and well, it's a long story of what occurs here on cf.


The accuser of the brethren, by the way is satan, and moreso comes through Christians on cf, as non Christians rarely accuse Christians.


Christians accuse Christians, such as those who say oh, you're not really a Christian cause of x y z or whatever else the one who apparently knows mens hearts comes up with and posts about another.


So Christians are used by satan or rather satan uses to his advantage those Christians who accuse Christians of many things and the same also makes non Christians feel like garbage and treats them as if they are garbage.


As if God calls a Christian to do so, which indeed He does not, but nonetheless the great dread and fear of non Christians again is fairly interesting and amazing to see, as all of us were once non christians.


Somehow again, some Christians forget they were non Christians, and further neglect the word of God as pertains to those who are not Christians.


So anyway, why are you afraid again of non c's being mods?

[Latreia]

Well, yes, you are talking about my family and friends in this statement, as you are talking of all non believers in this your statement:



And my family and friends are not sick about my love, nor are the people in discussion and debate forums sick over Christian love, or is my love and acceptance anathema to them, so not sure how you missed what you said above about atheists and other non christians.

On your comment about liberal and atheistic perspectives, I didn't go back far enough to know what your speaking about as pertains to that. Though I did go back to all of today's posts before I replied in last post, so I must've missed previous postings about
your 'opposition of liberal and atheistic perspectives.'

you wrote:


You aren't forced to endure anything. You can log off, scramble your password.

And in no wise are the non Christians here, the majority who are giving animosity and insults here on cf. imo

Majority is done by Christians who desire Christians to be made in their image, or if differs from their beliefs as pertains to Christianity then are called x, y, or z.

As you said is different than real life, but what's different is not how atheists or non christians post (for the most part), it's how Christians treat non Christians and regard them, which they'll do here, but would never do in real life, as they'd lose their job, spouse, child, whatever if they talked to those, the same way they post here to non Christians.

If you do any reading in the forums where non Christians are the majority, it won't take you but 2 minutes to understand why non Christians may reveal feelings they do, as the nightmare Christians here as I said, treat such as dogs, garbage, filth, etc.

So what mods are you having to endure and who are you feeling animosity from. If not mods;

what forums are you talking about if you are not talking about non christian mods.

you wrote:


How do you figure that? I'm a CF Christian and in no wise forced to endure anything. And the worse thing going on this forum is how Christians are to other Christians.

Now, if a Christian goes about with self righeousness and superiority and all that, that kind is gonna run into many problems here, and should, and I'm glad they do.

Of course those mentioned above in particular when do run into difficulties, then say they are doing wonders for the kindgdom as they are suffering persecution for Gods sake, and must be striking a nerve, someone must be convicted, etc, when in actuality their self righteousness, pride, hatred and disdain for others not like them, etc is the cause of the replies they get.

Not saying such of you as don't know how you post, but is a common occurance and a reaping of what is sown.

In no wise did I take your post other than at face value and if I misunderstood what I read, I apologize, but I took what I read and replied to what was there.

Please let me know what forums you are talking about where you are getting animosity and insults.


According to my profile and reality, I was born into a Christian family and have been a Christian for 63 years. That should give me some authority to state my own views without being preached to and without continuous assault on my integrity and faith as a Christian.

This is the second post by the same Staff Member that is personally insulting and offensive for me.

If others have every right to confront me and accuse me, I most certainly have every right to defend and explain myself without harassment by Staff telling me I can't say anything like this without facing rules violations.

These recent circumstances show clearly what it wrong with attitudes on CF and in administration today.

Atheists are praised and Christians are demeaned. Guess which one gets the clear to defend their views?

Only one, easy guess.

It is a non-brainer.

If this post is OT, then I suggest that the Staff who posted the personal accusations at me is also OT.

[tapero]

According to my profile and reality, I was born into a Christian family and have been a Christian for 63 years. That should give me some authority to state my own views without being preached to and without continuous assault on my integrity and faith as a Christian.

This is the second post by the same Staff Member that is personally insulting and offensive for me.

If others have every right to confront me and accuse me, I most certainly have every right to defend and explain myself without harassment by Staff telling me I can't say anything like this without facing rules violations.

These recent circumstances show clearly what it wrong with attitudes on CF and in administration today.

Atheists are praised and Christians are demeaned. Guess which one gets the clear to defend their views?

Only one, easy guess.

It is a non-brainer.

If this post is OT, then I suggest that the Staff who posted the personal accusations at me is also OT.
According to my profile and reality, I was born into a Christian family and have been a Christian for 63 years. That should give me some authority to state my own views without being preached to and without continuous assault on my integrity and faith as a Christian.

This is the second post by the same Staff Member that is personally insulting and offensive for me.

If others have every right to confront me and accuse me, I most certainly have every right to defend and explain myself without harassment by Staff telling me I can't say anything like this without facing rules violations.

These recent circumstances show clearly what it wrong with attitudes on CF and in administration today.

Atheists are praised and Christians are demeaned. Guess which one gets the clear to defend their views?

Only one, easy guess.

It is a non-brainer.

If this post is OT, then I suggest that the Staff who posted the personal accusations at me is also OT.

Hi, I am not a staffer.

However, if I were would that mean I can't have feelings or thoughts and not able to post them?

I replied to your post and the topic is non Christian mods. Actually, I replied to both your posts and statements, which is what occurs normally online; someone posts and someone replies.

I don't look at profiles before replying to someone, but what you stated doesn't mean that you would not get replied to if you post.

If you don't wish to be replied to, then perhaps you might wish to not post.

Your profile, or your years as a Christian doesn't mean you have a force field around you or that you can post your statements and none can respond back.

As to your saying above that atheists are praised and Christians demeaned which you wrote above;

You may be unaware of what occurs on the forums here, and atheists or non believers, which is what atheists are no matter how one slices it, are not to be diminished as to their worth as occurs here.

As you'll note in the wiki article in caps says get rid of non christian mods.

Now, if your name were typed in caps there as to get rid of, how would you feel? non Christians have feelings and of course are precious to God and again so precious and of great value and worth to God, that He died for them, as you recall again, you and I were once non believers, as well of course God died for all.

However, some Christians think non Christians have no feelings and as I said feel they are garbage.

As to Christians not being praised, if you are speaking of those who accuse other Christians and name call, which is somewhat big here, as well as some also treat non Christians as refuse, well, let their praise come from God.

You said guess who gets to state their views.

You have stated your views as well as any other has stated their view in this thread.

It appears you're not going to answer the question of what forums you referring to where you are insulted and treated with animosity in as pertains to non Christians?

[BlazeLight]

According to my profile and reality, I was born into a Christian family and have been a Christian for 63 years. That should give me some authority to state my own views without being preached to and without continuous assault on my integrity and faith as a Christian.

This is the second post by the same Staff Member that is personally insulting and offensive for me.

If others have every right to confront me and accuse me, I most certainly have every right to defend and explain myself without harassment by Staff telling me I can't say anything like this without facing rules violations.

These recent circumstances show clearly what it wrong with attitudes on CF and in administration today.

Atheists are praised and Christians are demeaned. Guess which one gets the clear to defend their views?

Only one, easy guess.

It is a non-brainer.

If this post is OT, then I suggest that the Staff who posted the personal accusations at me is also OT.
Mentioning your age and how long you've been Christian is a non sequitor, which is a serious flaw in your argument--it's also another flaw, an appeal to perceived authority.

[Latreia]

Mentioning your age and how long you've been Christian is a non sequitor, which is a serious flaw in your argument--it's also another flaw, an appeal to perceived authority.

There is no difference, then, between an 18 year old and a person of 63 years when speaking of their experiences right?

But there is an understanding that both of them are due some respect and validation of their views and opinions right?

Then you need to be challenged on everything that you say or post in CF.

Then I can tell you where you are wrong and what I know is right to correct you.

Would you enjoy that?

[tapero]

Being a certan number of years in Christ in no wise equals wisdom, maturity etc.

Each person is who they are and where they are regardless of time being a Christian.

One who is five years in Christ may have much more of the above than one with many years.

There was a young child on Larry King routinely until he passed, who's depth was more than most adults will ever get as pertains to God.

[Latreia]

Hi, I am not a staffer.

However, if I were would that mean I can't have feelings or thoughts and not able to post them?

I replied to your post and the topic is non Christian mods. Actually, I replied to both your posts and statements, which is what occurs normally online; someone posts and someone replies.

I don't look at profiles before replying to someone, but what you stated doesn't mean that you would not get replied to if you post.

If you don't wish to be replied to, then perhaps you might wish to not post.

Your profile, or your years as a Christian doesn't mean you have a force field around you or that you can post your statements and none can respond back.

As to your saying above that atheists are praised and Christians demeaned which you wrote above;

You may be unaware of what occurs on the forums here, and atheists or non believers, which is what atheists are no matter how one slices it, are not to be diminished as to their worth as occurs here.

As you'll note in the wiki article in caps says get rid of non christian mods.

Now, if your name were typed in caps there as to get rid of, how would you feel? non Christians have feelings and of course are precious to God and again so precious and of great value and worth to God, that He died for them, as you recall again, you and I were once non believers, as well of course God died for all.

However, some Christians think non Christians have no feelings and as I said feel they are garbage.

As to Christians not being praised, if you are speaking of those who accuse other Christians and name call, which is somewhat big here, as well as some also treat non Christians as refuse, well, let their praise come from God.

You said guess who gets to state their views.

You have stated your views as well as any other has stated their view in this thread.

It appears you're not going to answer the question of what forums you referring to where you are insulted and treated with animosity in as pertains to non Christians?

It appears that you're not going to see anything you don't want to see, even if others can.

as you recall again, you and I were once non believers

The exact opposite of my entire life. I have never been non-believer in the Christian Faith. That is a lie and slander.

Everything I stated were my opinions and views from my own experience. Apparently your stand is that you are so righteous that you can judge me and other Christians in the negative sense. That is what atheists are saying, right down the line.

Everything you say seems to be that your views are correct because all my comments are either lies or I am one of those bad "Christians"

Well, I am not a liar and I have never been a bad person and only God can know whether I am a bad Christian.

NOT YOU.

And if you cannot see what is going on in forums in CF that now openly use negatives in every "question" about Christians, so be it.

Just keep on repeating that until the only members left on CF have no memory of what Christians have been and shall be.
Just their own ideas, that is all there will be.

[Latreia]

Being a certan number of years in Christ in no wise equals wisdom, maturity etc.

Each person is who they are and where they are regardless of time being a Christian.

One who is five years in Christ may have much more of the above than one with many years.

There was a young child on Larry King routinely until he passed, who's depth was more than most adults will ever get as pertains to God.

That is not the Traditional or Orthodox faith. That is the New Version creed.

All of it is based on sociological and political views that are hostile to Christians who do not agree with them.

Most of it is simply individuals' personal preferences in what they choose to think.

It isn't even faith. It is secular, not spiritual.

[tapero]

It appears that you're not going to see anything you don't want to see, even if others can.



The exact opposite of my entire life. I have never been non-believer in the Christian Faith. That is a lie and slander.

Everything I stated were my opinions and views from my own experience. Apparently your stand is that you are so righteous that you can judge me and other Christians in the negative sense. That is what atheists are saying, right down the line.

Everything you say seems to be that your views are correct because all my comments are either lies or I am one of those bad "Christians"

Well, I am not a liar and I have never been a bad person and only God can know whether I am a bad Christian.

NOT YOU.

And if you cannot see what is going on in forums in CF that now openly use negatives in every "question" about Christians, so be it.

Just keep on repeating that until the only members left on CF have no memory of what Christians have been and shall be.
Just their own ideas, that is all there will be.

ah, you misunderstood me. I said we were all non believers before we came to Christ. I did not say otherwise.

You are misreading my posts in general and taking what I'm saying in a way your spirit determines to take them which is not something I can help.