Protestant to Messianic

[LeeS]

I've heard it said that Messianic is "way different" from being protestant, but I don't understand. How is it "way different?"

[Jenna]

Well, I've never known any 'protestants' who kept the traditions and worship style of the Jews, if that is what you are referring to. If not, could you explain in which area you are speaking of? :)

[BarbB]

Why don't you post this in the Messianic Forum - they're great people there!

[LeeS]

I have spent a lot of time in the Messianic forum and I've done quite a bit of reading. I personally don't see that many differences. At least not differences that would make a difference in one's salvation. However, the treatment I've had from some protestant believer's here at CF, who think I'm converting, has been disheartning. Some refuse to talk to me anymore and have told me that it is "way different" from being a protestant. So, I'm just wondering, what is so different that I would lose friends over it?

[P_G]

I have spent a lot of time in the Messianic forum and I've done quite a bit of reading. I personally don't see that many differences. At least not differences that would make a difference in one's salvation. However, the treatment I've had from some protestant believer's here at CF, who think I'm converting, has been disheartning. Some refuse to talk to me anymore and have told me that it is "way different" from being a protestant. So, I'm just wondering, what is so different that I would lose friends over it?
Hi there!

It's me that whacky Messianic Mennonite!

Now I know there are many who don't think Mennonites are Protestant. But golly what about that whole Pastoring a Presbyterian church thing? Where do we shoe hole that?

OK why would you be shunned? Simple because you are different. You are placing a lot of emphasis on the Tanach (Old Testement) rather than the Brit Chadassa (New Testement)

You start using lots of Hebrew words that people don't understand and dont want to learn and they think you are Messuginah. And who is this Y'shua any way and what is up with Ha'shem?

You begin to see that the law will bring blessing in your life you start to strive for holiness and a very intimate relationship with the Father. People see you as being legalistic when in fact you desire a true close walk with him and by being obedient to his law you begin to develop it.

You start to learn about the Hellenization of the church and how pagan infulences have colored it's perspective. Perhaps it starts with not wanting to celebrate Christmas or Easter. People are offended and call you non Christian. Things like Passover and Sucoth become more what you want to celebrate and that because G-d told you to do that in his word.

Oh yes the O you some how loose the O! People just don't quite get why you write G-d now or maybe just Gd. But what are you doing with all those "O"'s?? It must be a plot.

You might even begin to dress differently you find out that maybe women really should be covering thier heads and dressing very modestly. Maybe you learn about the tzitzit and what it means so you begin to wear a tallit when you pray. It all begins to look "very Jewish"

So now you get the opportunity to not only share the blessings of the Jewish people but also something else that is uniquely theirs. Anti Semitism. Welcome to the world of the hated and the despised!

Mat 10:22 "And you will be hated by all on account of My name. But the one enduring to the end will be saved.


I pray that you shall endure.


Pastor George :wave:

[Andyman_1970]

Hi there!

It's me that whacky Messianic Mennonite!



I guess I'm a Messianic Baptist (or in the process of becoming one)...........cool! Question: can you be Messianic and a Gentile?

Simple because you are different. You are placing a lot of emphasis on the Tanach (Old Testement) rather than the Brit Chadassa (New Testement)

Guilty.

You start using lots of Hebrew words that people don't understand and dont want to learn and they think you are Messuginah. And who is this Y'shua any way and what is up with Ha'shem?

Guilty.

You start to learn about the Hellenization of the church and how pagan infulences have colored it's perspective.

The more I learn about that the more I want to teach others that we have "missed the point".

Perhaps it starts with not wanting to celebrate Christmas or Easter. People are offended and call you non Christian. Things like Passover and Sucoth become more what you want to celebrate and that because G-d told you to do that in his word.

Next "Easter" (which we have started to refer to as Ressurection Sunday), we will celebrate Passover instead.

Maybe you learn about the tzitzit and what it means so you begin to wear a tallit when you pray. It all begins to look "very Jewish".

What's the thinking with a Gentile wearing the Tallit? Is it ok?

[LeeS]

Hi there!

It's me that whacky Messianic Mennonite!

Now I know there are many who don't think Mennonites are Protestant. But golly what about that whole Pastoring a Presbyterian church thing? Where do we shoe hole that?

OK why would you be shunned? Simple because you are different. You are placing a lot of emphasis on the Tanach (Old Testement) rather than the Brit Chadassa (New Testement)

You start using lots of Hebrew words that people don't understand and dont want to learn and they think you are Messuginah. And who is this Y'shua any way and what is up with Ha'shem?

You begin to see that the law will bring blessing in your life you start to strive for holiness and a very intimate relationship with the Father. People see you as being legalistic when in fact you desire a true close walk with him and by being obedient to his law you begin to develop it.

You start to learn about the Hellenization of the church and how pagan infulences have colored it's perspective. Perhaps it starts with not wanting to celebrate Christmas or Easter. People are offended and call you non Christian. Things like Passover and Sucoth become more what you want to celebrate and that because G-d told you to do that in his word.

Oh yes the O you some how loose the O! People just don't quite get why you write G-d now or maybe just Gd. But what are you doing with all those "O"'s?? It must be a plot.

You might even begin to dress differently you find out that maybe women really should be covering thier heads and dressing very modestly. Maybe you learn about the tzitzit and what it means so you begin to wear a tallit when you pray. It all begins to look "very Jewish"

So now you get the opportunity to not only share the blessings of the Jewish people but also something else that is uniquely theirs. Anti Semitism. Welcome to the world of the hated and the despised!

Mat 10:22 "And you will be hated by all on account of My name. But the one enduring to the end will be saved.


I pray that you shall endure.


Pastor George :wave:
Thank you Pastor George. Yes, I will endure. The funny thing is that my words have not really changed that much yet. Holiday's, have not had to be endured yet. . .but after reading several books on the History of the Christian church, I was horrified to find out the beginnings of traditions that I, as a Christian have held dear all my life. :( And how and when the seperation came with the early Messianic's and the split into what we know as the Christian church. :( These were not Messianic books I read either. They were books in the regular religion section of the library.

I'm finding though, while it is playing a bit of havoc with my Protestant upbringing, my walk and conversations with God are more enriching. :prayer:

[WildCelt]

Shalom Andyman_1970,

I guess I'm a Messianic Baptist (or in the process of becoming one)...........cool! Question: can you be Messianic and a Gentile?

Yes. Typically we are called Messianic Gentiles, but for the most part Messianic Jew tends to be a neutral term (although I am sure there will be some to debate this)

[brentsbaby612]

Oh yes the O you some how loose the O! People just don't quite get why you write G-d now or maybe just Gd. But what are you doing with all those "O"'s?? It must be a plot.

*^_^ I much enjoyed your thread PG!*

For me it was pork. I was reading the old testament and suddenly realized" Hey! G-d must have said not to eat pork for a reason". So, I stopped eatting pork! Then came the sabbath, which is in the ten commandments. and so on, and so on,....With each step closer to messianic judaism, I felt closer to G-d. It all really depends on if the L-rd is leading you in that direction or not. If you feel He is, then maybe try hanging out in the MJ for a while just to see for sure if this is where you belong.:)
Shalom/Erin

[iitb]

*^_^ I much enjoyed your thread PG!*

For me it was pork. I was reading the old testament and suddenly realized" Hey! G-d must have said not to eat pork for a reason". So, I stopped eatting pork! Then came the sabbath, which is in the ten commandments. and so on, and so on,....With each step closer to messianic judaism, I felt closer to G-d. It all really depends on if the L-rd is leading you in that direction or not. If you feel He is, then maybe try hanging out in the MJ for a while just to see for sure if this is where you belong.:)
Shalom/Erin
It was pretty similar for me. There are a few things that piqued my interest in MJ, but it was ultimately dietary laws that pushed me off the fence.

[Jenna]

Pastor George, you just rock! ;)

[P_G]

Pastor George, you just rock! ;)
I knew those guitar lessons would start paying off quick!
I have already learned how to play "Bind us Together" and
"Oh how I love Jesus" D A7 D A7 D D D A7

Whew I am exahusted now.


Blessings

PG :wave:

[SpiritPsalmist]

I'm not quite sure what to call myself. I'm sorta on the same wave as Pastor George. . . Penticostal/Charasmatic/Word of Faith/Messianic :D I have not left my current church and don't know that I plan to. I'm waiting for the Lord to show me what to do. I have the icon because I like it. :)

For me, it was when I was eating ham and I got this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach and I heard God say, "Ya know I really don't want you to eat that". Then He showed me that scripture in the NT where it say's "all things are lawful but not all things are beneficial".

There are other area's God has brought to my attention as well. But I won't go into it here.

All my Christian life though, I've always wondered why sometime's OT scripture was not acceptable and sometimes it was :scratch: I mean if God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. . .why is an OT scripture not acceptable to back up one argument but perfectly acceptable to back up another? That does not make sense to me.

And if God say's something is wrong then at what point did it not become wrong in the NT? He's the same yesterday, today, and forever.

I've heard it said that the Messianic is relying on the law in order to be saved. However, in my hanging around on the MJ forum, I don't see that at all. There is the understanding that we are saved by grace through faith. Obeying Torah is a priviledge and as I've read through a few commentaries on the Torah already, I'm consistently having brought to my rememberance the sister scripture's in the NT as still something that is pleasing to God and still for today.

We're all the time saying "what would Jesus do?" Well, Jesus followed Torah.

[Mary_Magdalene]

the last few weeks have been hard on me. to come to CF and read things in the MJ forum.....ugghhh. i just want to cry. :cry: i dont know why - maybe its the Holy Spirit on my heart, maybe i long for the relationship the MJ's have with Him.

i have been feeling so convicted of certain things. i am kinda feeling like Lee and Andyman are. i feel my 'church' is so far from where we are supposed to be. i have been praying about this for weeks now. i love G-d sooo much and want to please Him, want to be as close to Him as possible. :bow:

i know people at my church think im nuts anyway (baptist church).

Quaffer- I have that same Scripture about not everything being beneficial taped to my bathroom mirror. im trying to memorize it.

[Lotar]

MJs are pretty much just Baptists and Non-Denoms. Take a Baptist, add in OT ritual law, and you pretty much have a MJ.

[JeffreyLloyd]

MJs are pretty much just Baptists and Non-Denoms. Take a Baptist, add in OT ritual law, and you pretty much have a MJ.
What do you mean?

[brentsbaby612]

MJs are pretty much just Baptists and Non-Denoms. Take a Baptist, add in OT ritual law, and you pretty much have a MJ.
I know of a least two Messianics that would have a hay day with this!:)

[JeffreyLloyd]

Sin is not hurtful
because it is forbidden,
but it is forbidden
because it is hurtful. -Ben Franklin

Great quote!

[Adoniram]

Maybe I don't understand the full implications of what being a Messianic Jew is, but I had always thought it was a Jew by birth who had come to the realization and acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah. Thus becoming part of the "church," the "bride of Christ" as every other Christian is. If they follow the laws of their Jewish heritage, where is the harm? We should all be diligent in trying to obey the 10 commandments, et. al. Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Mt. 5:17

What I say is- God Bless You all.

[Buccaneer]

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto MASHIYACH, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of ELOHIYM by faith in MASHIYACH YAHSHUA.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into MASHIYACH have put on MASHIYACH.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in MASHIYACH YAHSHUA.

29 And if ye be MASHIYACH's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians chapter 3

(No I'm not messianic, I just like to use proper names)

[LeeS]

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto MASHIYACH, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of ELOHIYM by faith in MASHIYACH YAHSHUA.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into MASHIYACH have put on MASHIYACH.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in MASHIYACH YAHSHUA.

29 And if ye be MASHIYACH's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians chapter 3

(No I'm not messianic, I just like to use proper names)
As far as I understand, a schoolmaster would be there to "make" us follow the law. But once we are free from that schoolmaster, we follow the law out of love and commitment to the One Who gave us the law in order to bless us. It is not following the law that makes one saved. It is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. And out of my love and adoration for God I am learning to do what I know will please Him.

[LeeS]

MJs are pretty much just Baptists and Non-Denoms. Take a Baptist, add in OT ritual law, and you pretty much have a MJ.:scratch: I'm not sure what you mean, but I was raised in the Penticostal environment. The MJ's I have recently come in contact with are not even close to what you seem to have described above.

Granted, there are some who are wearing an MJ tag for fad but there are other's who are not. I sincerely desire to obey God in all of His way's. At the church I currently attend there is very little reverence for the Word of God. Also, the services tend to concentrate more on the people than they do God. The Lord's Day is His day, not our's and most of the day, at least what I've observed in my church and a few others, we give Him a couple of hours in the morning and then the rest of the day playing and satisfying our flesh on things other than the Bread of Life.