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Jason of Iolkos
11th May 2004, 09:32 PM
Hi all! :wave:

I know that we have some great authors from the Reformed camp but I would like to know who are some of the non-Reformed authors/theologians that you enjoy reading?



God Bless


Jesaiah

Beoga
11th May 2004, 11:50 PM
well john macarthur is my favorite author but...
i really really really like phillip yancey (where does he stand).
i don't know, i tend to read books that have a biased toward reformed theology.
i like lee strobel a lot (don't know where he stands either).
i kind of like c.s. lewis.
wow, i am going blank. oh well

Cal
12th May 2004, 04:55 AM
Hi all! :wave:

I know that we have some great authors from the Reformed camp but I would like to know who are some of the non-Reformed authors/theologians that you enjoy reading?



God Bless


JesaiahI like the vivid imagination and stories of Tolkien, I think his Roman Catholicism contributed greatly in this regard. I also like James Herriot, but being raised in Scotland and England I'm sure he had some reformed tendencies, who knows?

Plutarch is interesting when studying Greek and Roman lives.

Augustine should qualify, he really is good!

Benjamin Franklin is awesome, I think he got his wisdom from his Puritan parents and he loved George Whitefield (calvinist Methodist minister) but he was a deist and hated calvinism. So he should count!

I like some of Josh McDowell's evidence's that demanded a verdict and Ann Coulter is fascinating (I'm not sure if these two are reformed....but they should be....LOL)!

BronxBriar
12th May 2004, 07:01 AM
Hi all! :wave:

I know that we have some great authors from the Reformed camp but I would like to know who are some of the non-Reformed authors/theologians that you enjoy reading?God Bless
Jesaiah
Catholic Trappist Monk, Thomas Merton
Dostoevsky
Hemingway

Wilfred of Ivanhoe
12th May 2004, 07:53 AM
I like MacArthur as well,
J.C. Ryle

On the secular side:

Alexandre Dumas
Sir Walter Scott
Steven Longhead

Knight
12th May 2004, 10:22 AM
MacArthur is Reformed..... though dispensational.

Wilfred of Ivanhoe
12th May 2004, 10:40 AM
oh really..... well, I guess he would have to be dispinsational to be a true blue Baptist, no?

Other than infant baptism, what are some other good examples of dispinsationalism?

Knight
12th May 2004, 10:47 AM
You're asking the wrong person regarding details on Dispensationalism. I favor Covenant Theology.

My only intent was to point out that MacArthur is, in fact, Reformed in his doctrine. He freely teaches soveriegn election and grace. Pick up a copy of his Study Bible some time. You'll see what I mean.

Wilfred of Ivanhoe
12th May 2004, 11:02 AM
I too favor convenant theology. I was asking what other points dooes dispensationalionalism differ from convenant theology.

Knight
12th May 2004, 11:18 AM
Perhaps another thread would be appropriate for that.

BTW, there are those who favor CT who do not practice infant Baptism. (Myself, for example.... :)) But that topic is already being addressed.

seawolf_48
12th May 2004, 02:50 PM
Favorite non-reformed

Harry Ironside, great preacher, very practical, understood sanctification. Good Scott's man. Was a dispy however! When you eat chicken, you eat the meat and spit out the bones.

Jason of Iolkos
12th May 2004, 03:46 PM
What do you all think about Brennan Manning?


Although I am Reformed, I have found that at times it is refreshing to look at theological issues from a different perspective. So who is a non-reformed theologian that you read and respect even though they differ from your theological beliefs (within Christian Orthodoxy)?

Gabriel
12th May 2004, 03:58 PM
Swindoll, Dobson, Mc Dowell. Not what I would call theologians though.

Most oif the non fiction I read is Reformed, though. Perhaps I should get out more?

Bulldog
12th May 2004, 04:00 PM
I have not read many Refiormed/Calvinist books, but I have heard Jonothan Edwards is excellent.

frumanchu
12th May 2004, 07:10 PM
Non-Reformed authors? Hmmm...

Definitely Phillip Yancey and Lee Strobel. Also D Brian Shafer for fiction (I see that he just released a fourth Chronicles of the Host book...got to get me that :) )

I really hate to say it, but I have actually enjoyed the Left Behind books (as fantasy fiction).

Bulldog
12th May 2004, 09:05 PM
As long as it is emphasized as ficiton ;)

Donny_B
13th May 2004, 03:21 AM
J. Vernon McGee is also both Reformed and dispensationalist.

Cal
13th May 2004, 05:22 AM
J. Vernon McGee is also both Reformed and dispensationalist.
My dad told me he was a calvinist and I didn't believe him, would you post a site that supports he was reformed?

Donny_B
13th May 2004, 07:27 AM
My dad told me he was a calvinist and I didn't believe him, would you post a site that supports he was reformed?From www.ttb.org/DrMcGee.htm (http://www.ttb.org/DrMcGee.htm)

After completing his education (earning his A.B. from Southwestern University in Memphis, Tennessee; his B.D. from Columbia Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia; his Th.M. and Th.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas), and after pastoring Presbyterian churches in Decatur, GA, Nashville, TN, and Cleburne, TX, he and his wife came west, settling in Pasadena, where he accepted a call to the Lincoln Avenue Presbyterian Church. He recalls this period as the happiest in his life, with a young family and a young congregation whom he loved.

Columbia is a Presbyterian seminary. If you listen to his daily radio broadcast, you will know he was Calvinist.

Cal
13th May 2004, 10:09 AM
From www.ttb.org/DrMcGee.htm (http://www.ttb.org/DrMcGee.htm)



Columbia is a Presbyterian seminary. If you listen to his daily radio broadcast, you will know he was Calvinist.
My dad has listened to it for years and that's why he said McGee was a calvinist. I haven't debated it with my dad but I remember looking it up 6 or 7 years ago for a friend at work and we decided McGee was not calvinist.

Just because McGee's presby doesn't necessarily mean he's a calvinint. Robert Schuler is reformed presby and he is not only not a calvinist but he is quoted as saying Jesus Christ is not the only way to heaven.

For instance I thought McGee didn't believe in predestination, in your research did you find anything indicating he did believe in predestination?

All I can find is stuff like this on the net right now:

"To: (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b8344d42520.htm#15) P-Marlowe
J. Vernon McGee was NO Calvinist..he taught at Dallas Tehological Seminary in the 1950's before moving on to California...McGee may have thought of himself as being a Calvinist..but ONLY a "4-point" Calvinist...BUT if you read what he has written over the years, PLUS listened to his radio program.. you would find that McGee was actually 4 point ARMINIAN..for he AFFIRMED that man was NOT Totally Depraved.. he AFFIRMED a CONDITIONAL Election, he AFFIRMED a UNIVERSAL Atonement...he AFFIRMED that God's Grace CAN BE Resisted.. the ONLY Calvinistic Doctrine that J. Vernon McGee EVER Affirmed was a TRUNCATED version of Perseverance of the Saints, which he called "Eternal Security".. No. J. Vernon McGee was NO Calvinist..PERIOD. McGee DENIED Classical Reformed Theology."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b8344d42520.htm (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b8344d42520.htm)



You see, my dad has been struggling with calvinism but he loves McGee and has listened to him for years, he just informed me how he was shocked to find out McGee was a calvinist. All I could say was "wow, I didn't know that!"

So I would love it if you could provide any support for him being a calvinist.

Thanks a lot.

Donny_B
13th May 2004, 03:27 PM
So I would love it if you could provide any support for him being a calvinist.

Thanks a lot.
From http://members.truevine.net/shadrach/calvin.htm

J. Vernon McGee "I heard this story many years ago. A black boy in Memphis, Tennessee, wanted to join a conservative, fundamental church, and the deacons were examining him. They asked 'How did you get saved?' He answered, 'I did my part and God did His part.' The deacons thought they had him, so they asked him what was his part and what was God's part. He said, 'My part was the sinning. I ran from God as fast as these rebellious legs would take me and my sinful heart would lead me. I ran from Him. But you know He done took out after me 'til He done run me down'. My friend, there is nothing in a theology book that tells it as well as that. God is the One who did the saving. Our part was the sinning." (Thru the Bible, Volume 5 pg 213, Ephesians 1:4)



"God chose believers in Christ before the foundation of the world, way back in eternity past. That means that you and I didn't do the choosing. He did not choose us because we were good or because we would do some good, but He did choose us so that we could do some good. The entire choice is thrown back upon the sovereignty of the wisdom and goodness of God alone. (Thru the Bible, Volume 5 pg 213, Ephesians 1:4)