2 Peter Ch3

[IHaveQuestions]

I would like to ask the Calvinists amongst you how you interpret 2 Peter Chapter 3 especially verse 9


God's Word 2Pe 3:9 The Lord isn't slow to do what he promised, as some people think. Rather, he is patient for your sake. He doesn't want to destroy anyone but wants all people to have an opportunity to turn to him and change the way they think and act.

KJV 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Good News 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow to do what he has promised, as some think. Instead, he is patient with you, because he does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants all to turn away from their sins.

[BBAS 64]

I would like to ask the Calvinists amongst you how you interpret 2 Peter Chapter 3 especially verse 9


God's Word 2Pe 3:9 The Lord isn't slow to do what he promised, as some people think. Rather, he is patient for your sake. He doesn't want to destroy anyone but wants all people to have an opportunity to turn to him and change the way they think and act.

KJV 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Good News 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow to do what he has promised, as some think. Instead, he is patient with you, because he does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants all to turn away from their sins.

Good Day, IHQ

:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

**Remember this is written to Belivers
2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

* believers- beloved,YE

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

*Un regenerate man

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

*Unregenerate Man's Charge
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

* Unbelivers rewards for thier ungodly- ness
2Pe 3:8 But,
beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

*Believers
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

* Believers - Chargeof the ungodly in verse #4 debuffed


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


*Reward for Believers

Hope that Helps,

Bill

[tigersnare]

Very Nice exposition Bill. :wave:

[Cal]

I would like to ask the Calvinists amongst you how you interpret 2 Peter Chapter 3 especially verse 9



KJV 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


I agree with the previous post. Peter is writing his second letter to "the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father."

Therefore the "us-ward" would be Peter and the elect that he is writing too, and the "all" would be all of "us-ward."

[LynneClomina]

I would like to ask the Calvinists amongst you how you interpret 2 Peter Chapter 3 especially verse 9

KJV 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

my translation: the Lord isnt being a slow poke when it comes to bringing about His promise, in the way that men think of being a slowpoke (lazy, not keeping a prominse); but He is PATIENTLY WAITING, for our benefit, becuase He is not gonna bring about His promise too soon and kill off His elect; He's waiting for all the elect of all time to come to salvation and THEN He will bring about the promise.....as He planned.

:cool:

[Beoga]

this is what i have learned:
KJV 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
in other verses it says wishes anyone. but in scripture, when it talks about God's will, it is one of three things. one-what he he will do, two-his commands, and three-his desires (or wishes).
if we use the first definition, then God will save everyone, this is universalism and it is not scriptural, so throw out the first definition. since we know that everyone is not going to heaven, we can't use the second definition because somepeople are going to hell, God would have to punish people for going to hell with more damnation, and this keeps going on and on, which makes no sense. So we use the third definition. Sometimes God's desires does not always come to pass. Some things that he wants are under his will (this is a very bad way to put it i know, i am no expert and i am trying to recall this purly from memory). Like when Adam and Eve sinned and turned against him, I don't think it was his desire for them to do that.

[Bulldog]

listen to this:

http://www.prbc.org/Sermons/jwSS081901.ram (the second part, after it does an exposition on Matt. 23:17)

[frumanchu]

my translation: the Lord isnt being a slow poke when it comes to bringing about His promise, in the way that men think of being a slowpoke (lazy, not keeping a prominse); but He is PATIENTLY WAITING, for our benefit, becuase He is not gonna bring about His promise too soon and kill off His elect; He's waiting for all the elect of all time to come to salvation and THEN He will bring about the promise.....as He planned.

:cool:
Lynne, that is an excellent paraphrase.

[LynneClomina]

:blush: thanks.

[IHaveQuestions]

Thanks for the replies but could someone please explain the answer in simple language, as I am unable to follow it.

Thanks

[BBAS 64]

Thanks for the replies but could someone please explain the answer in simple language, as I am unable to follow it.

Thanks
Good Day, IHQ

If you would ask more pointed questions it would be helpful in addressing the confusion we are causing.

Peace to u,

Bill

[frumanchu]

Thanks for the replies but could someone please explain the answer in simple language, as I am unable to follow it.

Thanks
IHQ, I noticed that you have the KJV (which is a translation) sandwiched between the Good News and the God's Word (which are more paraphrases and thus more subject to the theological interpretations of those doing the paraphrase).

In short, this verse refers not to all men without exception, but to all the elect. What this section of 2 Peter 3 is essentially saying is that the elect need not fear abandonment. God has decreed the end from the beginning and operates according to His own timetable. Before the elect are born they were chosen by grace to be brought to salvation, and He WILL NOT deviate from His plan. Election in and of itself does not save anyone. It is a decree which is not its own fulfillment, but rather which finds its fulfillment in the salvation of the elect. Were God to "rush to judgement" before the full number of the elect (including those not yet born) were brought to faith and salvation, then those elect would perish in their sinfulness. In other words, God would fail to do what He had purposed and decreed to do.

We can be assured, in the face of the scoffers who say "where is your Lord who said He'd come?" and challenge His credibility, that when all whom the Lord has graciously elected to save from among the damned come to faith and salvation, He will come as promised. And we will say as King Solomon did, "LORD God of Israel, there is no God in heaven above or on earth below like You, who keep Your covenant and mercy with Your servants who walk before You with all their hearts. 24You have kept what You promised ... You have both spoken with Your mouth and fulfilled it with Your hand, as it is this day." 1 Kings 8:22-24