Am I a Conservative Republican?

[HeartLineToYou]

Do I need to be against abortion and for the death penalty in order to be considered in this forum as a Conservative Republican? I still like the sound of a Conservative Christian Republican. That is how I was raised but now I question if I am one. There are two key issues for me...abortion and the death penalty. I know abortion is murder but as a Christian, I find it hard to force my beliefs on others. That is not what Christ did. He would have welcomed these women into His home and provided all their needs and given a home to their unwanted child. He would not have fought to make it illegal for them to abort their child.
Secondly, we are not to kill. Or murder. It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not. That is between them and God. We are not supposed to take another mans life, so how can we support a party that condones this?
Does this mean I am no longer a Conservative Republican, according to this forum? I would really like to know where I belong.

[Izdaari]

This isn't a conservative Republican forum, or necessarily anything at all politically, but rather a theological conservative forum. You can believe whatever you want politically and be a member, so long as you agree with the Statement of Faith. The SoF, as I remember the wording, does require that you believe abortion to be wrong, but stops short of requiring a particular political position on it. The death penalty isn't mentioned at all.

I'm a member here, and while I'm theologically conservative enough to be a member (though probably just barely), I'm socially moderate and politically libertarian. Probably most members to the extent they're political at all are conservatives, and probably (if they're Americans) Republicans. But I'm certainly not the only exception: some aren't political at all, and some are liberal in politics while remaining conservative in theology.

[sageoffools]

Do I need to be against abortion and for the death penalty in order to be considered in this forum as a Conservative Republican? I still like the sound of a Conservative Christian Republican. That is how I was raised but now I question if I am one. There are two key issues for me...abortion and the death penalty. I know abortion is murder but as a Christian, I find it hard to force my beliefs on others. That is not what Christ did. He would have welcomed these women into His home and provided all their needs and given a home to their unwanted child. He would not have fought to make it illegal for them to abort their child.
Secondly, we are not to kill. Or murder. It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not. That is between them and God. We are not supposed to take another mans life, so how can we support a party that condones this?
Does this mean I am no longer a Conservative Republican, according to this forum? I would really like to know where I belong.


This may be a little out of place, but am I the only one that sees the problem with this line of thinking?
On one hand you say we should not allow the death penalty, because we are not supposed to kill. On the other hand you say you think we should allow abortion, because we don't want to force our beliefs on others. :scratch:
Abortion IS killing!
I realize this is not the direction the OP was going, but I think it is still relevant to the discussion.
Why is it OK to kill a child that has never done anything wrong, simply because it is "inconvenient", but it is not OK to kill someone who raped and beat to death a 75 year old grandmother?
Sorry, that ruffles my feathers a little.

I guess, to address the issue of not want to force your beliefs on others, thats the joy of living in a Democratic Republic, we each get to express our own opinions, without feeling bad about repressing others. The opinions of the majority rule. Express and vote for your beliefs, that's what makes America great!

[Simon_Templar]

This may be a little out of place, but am I the only one that sees the problem with this line of thinking?
On one hand you say we should not allow the death penalty, because we are not supposed to kill. On the other hand you say you think we should allow abortion, because we don't want to force our beliefs on others. :scratch:
Abortion IS killing!
I realize this is not the direction the OP was going, but I think it is still relevant to the discussion.
Why is it OK to kill a child that has never done anything wrong, simply because it is "inconvenient", but it is not OK to kill someone who raped and beat to death a 75 year old grandmother?
Sorry, that ruffles my feathers a little.

I guess, to address the issue of not want to force your beliefs on others, thats the joy of living in a Democratic Republic, we each get to express our own opinions, without feeling bad about repressing others. The opinions of the majority rule. Express and vote for your beliefs, that's what makes America great!
actually what made america great was the fact that it was peopled by good and moral people.

Further, America wasn't about voting and democracy. This changed largely with the introduction of compulsory public schools and the social views of Horace Mann which were inculcated into all the teachers

America was about the idea that individual people have rights which the government can not take away and can not infringe upon, and that it is the job of the government to protect those rights, whether the majority of the people agree or not.

The founders of America actually thought that democracy was an unstable and dangerous form of government because it invariably degenerates into mob rule and chaos, then finally into anarchy which is immediately replaced with Tyranny.

Which is why they created a constitutional republic with a representative, but not democratic government.

As for the OP, it is typical liberal logic, We can't make abortion illegal because we can't force our beliefs on others, but we also can't enforce a death penalty because its wrong to kill.

So the end result is you kill the innocent and spare the guilty. That is where liberal logic usually ends up.

I would almost say that liberalism as it is defined in america today is the art of taking a proposition which sounds reasonable, and applying it in such a manner that it produces the most unreasonable result possible.

[Simon_Templar]

Do I need to be against abortion and for the death penalty in order to be considered in this forum as a Conservative Republican? I still like the sound of a Conservative Christian Republican. That is how I was raised but now I question if I am one. There are two key issues for me...abortion and the death penalty. I know abortion is murder but as a Christian, I find it hard to force my beliefs on others. That is not what Christ did. He would have welcomed these women into His home and provided all their needs and given a home to their unwanted child. He would not have fought to make it illegal for them to abort their child.
Secondly, we are not to kill. Or murder. It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not. That is between them and God. We are not supposed to take another mans life, so how can we support a party that condones this?
Does this mean I am no longer a Conservative Republican, according to this forum? I would really like to know where I belong.

the short answer is no, you are not a conservative republican. (I don't speak for the forum here so I'm not talking about posting or whether you belong in the forum or anything like that).

However, in regards to the WWJD portion of your question, what would Jesus do...

one of his comments on children was "if anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for them to be cast into the sea with a millstone around their neck". I some how don't think he is going to appreciate our putting the little ones to death.

[WannaWitness]

I joined CC as I consider myself conservative theologically. With me, politics has nothing to do with it.

[NewGuy101]

Definetely dont seem like a theologically conservative christian which is what matters here.

[Albion]

Do I need to be against abortion and for the death penalty in order to be considered in this forum as a Conservative Republican? I still like the sound of a Conservative Christian Republican. That is how I was raised but now I question if I am one. There are two key issues for me...abortion and the death penalty. I know abortion is murder but as a Christian, I find it hard to force my beliefs on others. That is not what Christ did. He would have welcomed these women into His home and provided all their needs and given a home to their unwanted child. He would not have fought to make it illegal for them to abort their child.
Secondly, we are not to kill. Or murder. It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not. That is between them and God. We are not supposed to take another mans life, so how can we support a party that condones this?
Does this mean I am no longer a Conservative Republican, according to this forum? I would really like to know where I belong.


What we are not to do, according to the Bible, is murder, not "kill." Biblically speaking and traditionally speaking, capital punishment is acceptable.

On the other hand, we are not overly strict on this forum, knowing that people who are generally conservative, Christian traditionalists, and Bible-believing, tend to have a few issues on which they are not "type-cast." There may be a hundred topics here other than those two which you would like to participate in and concerning which you'd be right at home. I don't know, since you didn't give us any additional information about your views, but it's possible.

As for being a Republican, there are plenty who agree with you although moderate-to-liberal Republicans (which may be what you are) are not as numerous as conservative ones. However, this forum does not discriminate between members on the basis of party preference in any case.