Is Masturbation a Sin?

[bashful]

I have heard both ways.

[hatian30]

Uhh Yeah

[bashful]

Uhh Yeah

What evidence do you base your statement on?

[Qyöt27]

I have heard both ways.

I've heard both ways as well. I think the difference in opinion is one of saying, well, there's nowhere that we can find in the Bible where it says "No, masturbation is not allowed", in that it explicitly says it. Most evidence I've seen against it is in the form of following certain other pieces of scripture against other practices and sort of 'connecting the dots', as it were, hoping it applies to the situation but aren't really sure as to whether it does or not. I tend to hold the belief that if it doesn't explicitly state it or use some sort of euphemism(sp?) to soften the impact of the statement, it's more of a personal decision. I actually did see a youth pastor's column in one of Focus on the Family's magazines say that as long as it's not done in excess or with pornography or similar content in front of your eyes, that it's fine. Just not to get addicted to it, which is hard. That column basically showed me that it's a personal decision. It depends on the person. Some people view it as normal, don't get guilty about it, and as long as they don't have an addiction, I would say it's fine in their case. If you don't feel comfortable with it, feel guilty, and either don't want to have or actually do have an addiction, I'd say it's a problem, or at least, something you should work on. I think the latter of those two statements holds true for most Christians, but like I said before, it depends on the person. Some people feel comfortable with it themselves (not talking about it, keeping it a personal matter), but feel guilty about it after the face, and may or may not have an addiction. There's a lot of different standpoints and combinations of personal feelings about it and about actually doing it. I say to just be wise in your decisions concerning it.

[tqpix]

I don't think masturbation is a sin. If one should get "excited", it is better to masturbate than to have pre-marital sex, or, God forbid, rape.

You could also follow the Bible's advice:

1 Corinthians 7:9
(9) But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

[lands21]

I don't think masturbation is a sin. If one should get "excited", it is better to masturbate than to have pre-marital sex, or, God forbid, rape.

You could also follow the Bible's advice:

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As you saying this verse has to do with masterbation? Specifically?

[AngelusSax]

I don't think masturbation is a sin. If one should get "excited", it is better to masturbate than to have pre-marital sex, or, God forbid, rape.

While I'm thinking more along the lines of pre-marital sex being a misnomer, I'll agree with you on this. Especially rape.

But the verse you provided talks of marrying only, not of masturbation.

[ridesawhitehorse]

Masturbation is a sin against purity and has no place in the life of a person who is seeking a higher holy life. It also mocks the gift of marital relations, and suggests that we are animals that cannot control our carnal urges. We are humans.
To condone it, or to say that it is a relative matter - does not add to dignity of human life which is what we christians are all about, no?

[AngelusSax]

To condone it, or to say that it is a relative matter - does not add to dignity of human life which is what we christians are all about, no?
I don't think it takes away from it either.

It's better to have the restraint to simply masturbate than it is to go out and force someone to have sex with you.

[ridesawhitehorse]

So, Angelus.. Then we use masturbation... a lesser sin - to pacify rapists, a greater sin.
That is illogical also. It is like saying you tolerate people beating each other up if it keeps them from killing each other.
Either one is a sin before God.

[Blazin4Christ]

its very much wrong, if you go to the guys forum in the youth section of lifestages in the CHristian only area you can see how people debate about it, but ultimately I personally think its wrong

[Ceph]

I don't think masturbation is a sin. If one should get "excited", it is better to masturbate than to have pre-marital sex, or, God forbid, rape.
God forbid rape, where?

[tqpix]

1 Corinthians 7:9
(9) But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.



As you saying this verse has to do with masterbation? Specifically?No, I'm saying that if one prefers not to masturbate and still engage in a sexual act, it would be better for him to follow this advice. :)

God forbid rape, where?:confused: Huh?

[Qyöt27]

So, Angelus.. Then we use masturbation... a lesser sin - to pacify rapists, a greater sin.
That is illogical also. It is like saying you tolerate people beating each other up if it keeps them from killing each other.
Either one is a sin before God.

Masturbation may hurt people's feelings, create guilt, and whatnot, but rape causes far more damage than pleasuring oneself ever could. Rape is a sin before God, yes, but it is also a sin and violent crime against another human being. One wrong that's self-contained and a private matter between one person and God (and any people you might tell, and all of them will be understanding, not deeply wounded by it) is infinitely less harmful than one wrong that is actually dozens of wrongs, psychologically, emotionally, and physically for the victim and the pain their family members will experience. It's not illogical at all. It's minimizing the damage, not condoning anything. If it was either masturbation or rape, which one would any normal person choose, and which one do you think God would rather us choose, knowing that there is no "third option". That's the question, hypothetically. My personal thoughts on the matter is that masturbation is an extremely gray area, but in all possible scenarios, not to resort to it.

[DO/JD]

Interestingly

Over masturbation can lead to impotence.

As well as regular involvemente in pornographic material.

I think asked us to be saints for a reason.

[MQTA]

Masturbation is a sin against purity and has no place in the life of a person who is seeking a higher holy life. It also mocks the gift of marital relations, and suggests that we are animals that cannot control our carnal urges. We are humans.
To condone it, or to say that it is a relative matter - does not add to dignity of human life which is what we christians are all about, no?
What other animals masturbate? I'll also bet they don't feel guilty about it. And they probably don't enjoy it as much as we can.

[MQTA]

Yeah, they Mass Debate it. Such a shame that the one thing that people can do to please themselves is shunned so much. The guilt alone must drive people crazy.

I wonder if there's any stats on people who get prostate cancer from not keeping their plumbing working properly.


its very much wrong, if you go to the guys forum in the youth section of lifestages in the CHristian only area you can see how people debate about it, but ultimately I personally think its wrong

[MQTA]

A man's penis should be his best friend. Nobody can tell you what to do with it when you're completely alone with it. If you want to suppress your humanness, go right ahead.

I always heard that statistics show 95% of males masturbate, the other 5% lie about it.

Comparing masturbation to anything else is apples to oranges.

[tqpix]

I always heard that statistics show 95% of males masturbate, the other 5% lie about it.The only time I heard this was from Jay Leno.

[Ceph]

Over masturbation can lead to impotence.
Then also having too much sex would lead to impotence.

Now if I may I will re-post my question: In where did God forbid rape?

[Blazin4Christ]

A man's penis should be his best friend. Nobody can tell you what to do with it when you're completely alone with it. If you want to suppress your humanness, go right ahead.

I always heard that statistics show 95% of males masturbate, the other 5% lie about it.

Comparing masturbation to anything else is apples to oranges.

your not alone when you masturbate,

Proverbs 15:3
"The eyes of the Lord are in every place beholding the evil and the good."

[InnerPhyre]

I don't think it takes away from it either.

It's better to have the restraint to simply masturbate than it is to go out and force someone to have sex with you.
I don't know about you, bro, but abstaining from masturbation does not lead me to want to rape women. BY that logic, it's also better to get a prostitute than to rape someone, right?

[suzie]

Over masterbation can lead to importence??? That is very interesting. I would love to know the reference for that little known fact.

[Bonhoffer]

Matthew 5:28 "if a man looks lustfully at a woman then he has committed adultry with her in his heart".

Masterbation itself isnt the sin, its the fact that you are thinking lustfully about women as you do it. Some people need to masterbate in order to let out sexual tension and stress. It could be argued that one could masterbate without having lustful thoughts.

From this perspective then it would be just as bad for someone to think lustfully about women for an hour without even touching the penis than it is for someone masterbating for an hour and thinking about women lustfully.

[Bonhoffer]

If you do happen to do it however then please don't develop a guilt complex about it.

Christianity isnt about legalism, its about where the heart is at.

Remember that Soloman ( a supposed Godly man) slept with almost a thousand women.

[MQTA]

your not alone when you masturbate,

Proverbs 15:3
"The eyes of the Lord are in every place beholding the evil and the good."
How do you know who's joining me? Then it would be called mutual masturbation, wouldn't it?

Oh, He can watch if he wants. I'm sure He's seen it all.

[The Julikenz]

MQTA: i disagree with almost every single view you have posted over this subject. and ill give u a few good reasons why. This is nothing less than God words, rebuking your evil spirit. you are condoning a sin, condoning disobeying God, and possible influencing others to do the same. The bible says that if you cause one of His (God) followersm to sin it is worse than sinning yourself... anyway mastubation IS A SIN because: "FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD , YOUR SANCTIFICATION:THAT YOU SHOULD ABSTAIN FROM SEXUAL IMMORALITY" 1Thessalonians 4:3 ABSTAIN means to "keep yourself from doing something" Jesus says in Matthew 5 that if u look at a woman with lust in your heart its adultery, so if just by looking at a woman sexually, you sin, how can u masturbate with no sin? is it still not sexually satisfying your body?"OR DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOUR BODY IS A TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS IN YOU,WHOM YOU HAVE FROM GOD,AND YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN?" 1Corinthians6:19 The Lord is always with you, and u say He can watch if He wants, like you have no idea what an insult it is for God to look at something He loves sooo much and see it in sin. Some may argue that you donot need sexual thoughts, however the bible says in 2Timothy 2:22, "FLEE ALSO YOUTHFUL LUSTS; BUT PURSUE RIGHTEOUSNESS, FAITH, LOVE,PEACE WITH ALL THOSE WHO CALL ON THE LORD OUT OF A PURE HEART" youthful lusts... sexual imorality, if you cant control it heres one for you- "SO THAT SATAN DOES NOT TEMPT YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF SELF CONTROL" 1Corinthians7:5b God cannot tempt you with evil, for there is no unrighteousness within Him "THEREFORE YOU SHALL BE PERFECT JUST AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS ALSO PERFECT" Matthew 5:48 so therefore if you cannot control not masturbating even wiothout having lustful thougths it is from satan. John 10:10 says "THE THEIF COMES ONLY TO STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY..". God is ultimately in every way perfect, satan is ultimately in every way evil. From the start the devil has contradicted every single thing God ever said, right from the Garden of Eden God said: "BUT OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEGDE OF GOOD AND EVIL YOU SHALL NOT EAT, FOR IN THAT DAY THAT YOU SHALL EAT, YOU SHALL SURELY DIE" Genesis2:17
Satan says "THEN THE SERPENT SAID TO THE WOMAN 'YOU WILL SURELY NOT DIE' " And one final verse to finish "AND THEIR IS NO CREATURE HIDDEN FROM HIS SIGHT, BUT ALL THESE THINGS ARE NAKED AND OPEN TO THE EYES OF HIM TO WHOM WE MUST GIVE AN ACCOUNT" Hebrews 4:13. if you want to disobey the word of God and ignore the Lord, then you are in line to be judged guilty before the Lords Holy angels. "FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD"
Man u need Jesus, we all do "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD"Romans 3:23, Jesus said, "I TELL YOU NO, UNLESS YOU REPENT YOU WILL LIKE WISE PERISH" u need Him, to come into ure heart and confess before the father that you are His, "FOR YOU ARE CHRISTS AND CHRISTS IS GODS" 1Corinthians 3:23 but you must first recieve and confess Him before man "THEREFORE WHOEVER CONFESSES ME BEFORE MEN, HIM I WILL CONFESS BEFORE MY FATHER WHO IS I HEAVEN. BUT WHOEVER DENYS ME BEFORE MEN, I WILL DENY BEFORE MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN" Mathew 10:32.

Its your eternity, and im praying for you, "as the father loved me, i also have loved you", so i shall share the Lords love too. Bless you, my brother who is in darkness, and may you find light.

Lord Jesus i praise you that you are in control of everything and this is just one more perfect plan you have. i commit this soul to you and ask you will draw him. i pray Lord you will breakdown the strongholds in his heart and rescue him from the fire. help him to see Your Huge-moungous amount of love for him amoungst this perveerse generation of sin. help him to listen to the spirit and submit to you. i pray always in Jesus' name, :pray: :prayer: Amen

[MQTA]

Masturbation is sex with someone I love
Does God or Jesus ever talk to you? Do you listen? Does you ever hear something that may go against what you were taught or what you may even think you're reading? Which do you believe?

If prayer is you talking to God, then intuition and your heart is Him talking back to you.

The Kingdom of Heaven is within.

Anyone who doesn't honor their own temple makes their own choice. NO other human, written or verbal, is going to tell me what I can and can't do inside my universe.

Call me an adulterer, I don't care. Call me lustful, I don't care. Call me a sinner, I don't care. My body, my heart, my mind, my spirit, the presence I feel inside me, guides me.

I am a spirtual being having a human experience. The human experience is a rainbow, not just black and white and read all over.

You can make all the interpretations you want.. your choice. I won't even attempt to tell you what I think about your lack-of-paragraphs mishmash.

The OP is is Masturbation a sin?

NO. Masturbation reaches the ultimate glory and sensations humankind can feel alone. It's a gift from God. A gift nobody ever has to share with another human, and except for Online, it's one that most people don't freely discuss. You can do it with shame and guilt or you can enjoy your body, your existance and celebrate life.

Your choice. Your gain, or your loss, but you won't find out til it is too late to go back and enjoy all that you passed up.

Is mental masturbation admonishing others a sin?

[Mustaphile]

This is looking distinctly like a debate. :)

[MQTA]

and if a lot of people are involved? Is it a Mass Debate?

[cleft_for_me]

There's a good section about this in the new book release by Joshua Harris called Not Even a Hint, part 2 chapter 6. It's more than one page long and full of sound views and a perspective that is seeking to honor God's higher plan for sex.

God bless,
cleft_for_me

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"They say that I can find You in a flower, but I need you in the car." ~Caedmon's Call

[BenjaminK]

There's no point debating about such a subject.

To me, it's purely a self-seeking act. The guilt, frustrations and shame that accompany it clearly points to something.

Tell me if I'm wrong, one cannot masturbate without having lustful and immoral mental images in the mind or the imagination. This, in itself is sin.

But, there is therfore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. There's freedom from sin and addiction. The victorious life of Jesus is within every heart of true believers of Christ.

Freedom from guilty conscience, shame and sin "feels" so much better than masturbating.

Ben

[MQTA]

There's no point debating about such a subject.

To me, it's purely a self-seeking act. The guilt, frustrations and shame that accompany it clearly points to something.

Tell me if I'm wrong, one cannot masturbate without having lustful and immoral mental images in the mind or the imagination. This, in itself is sin.

But, there is therfore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. There's freedom from sin and addiction. The victorious life of Jesus is within every heart of true believers of Christ.

Freedom from guilty conscience, shame and sin "feels" so much better than masturbating.

Ben
Ok, you're wrong.

The guilt and shame you feel after you do it is because you don't accept yourself and your feelings and are told they're wrong, so you feel bad afterwards. And go around saying how wrong it is so you can try to make yourself feel better about not doing it.. until the urge takes over again and you repeat the process.

One can easily masturbate without having lustful and immoral mental images.

Ask a blindman.


And yep, it's a self-seeking act. Keeps your plumbing healthy too.

I'll bet a lot of people who preach against masturbation either have the dirtiest unhealthy genitals, or the CLEANEST you'd ever seen. Scrub scrub scrub.

It's the one thing that regardless of what one says to others, it's nobody elses business. It doesn't become Wrong or Sin until one is lead to believe it.

[cleft_for_me]

Ok, you're wrong.

The guilt and shame you feel after you do it is because you don't accept yourself and your feelings and are told they're wrong, so you feel bad afterwards. And go around saying how wrong it is so you can try to make yourself feel better about not doing it.. until the urge takes over again and you repeat the process.

One can easily masturbate without having lustful and immoral mental images.

Ask a blindman.


And yep, it's a self-seeking act. Keeps your plumbing healthy too.

I'll bet a lot of people who preach against masturbation either have the dirtiest unhealthy genitals, or the CLEANEST you'd ever seen. Scrub scrub scrub.

It's the one thing that regardless of what one says to others, it's nobody elses business. It doesn't become Wrong or Sin until one is lead to believe it.
Dude, with all due respect, why are you here? Ah! is selfishness the correct motive you should use to determine right from wrong? I've been living in the dark for years... Please explain yourself.

[MQTA]

Dude, with all due respect, why are you here? Ah! is selfishness the correct motive you should use to determine right from wrong? I've been living in the dark for years... Please explain yourself.
Why am I where? Here on CF? Here on Earth? Where? huh?

You explain yourself... what's your question?

[oworm]

... what's your question?
I have a question.................. On what authority do you speak when you state something is right or wrong?

[MQTA]

I have a question.................. On what authority do you speak when you state something is right or wrong?


There's no point debating about such a subject.

To me, it's purely a self-seeking act. The guilt, frustrations and shame that accompany it clearly points to something.

Tell me if I'm wrong, one cannot masturbate without having lustful and immoral mental images in the mind or the imagination. This, in itself is sin.


So I said "Ok, you're wrong". Was definitely tongue in cheek, but I keep forgetting people here don't seem to have much of a sense of humor.

However, he said "one cannot.....".... well, I guess the authority would be that This >One< can, without having lustful and immoral mental images. I'm sure others can and do too.

In any case, of all the things that can be legislated and controlled, playing with oneself is definitely one thing that can not.

I really don't care what people say about this subject... that's their problem, or not, but definitely their choice.

[HackerCatcher]

I am tired of the judgmentalism of some posts on this thread. Listen! I have a friend who has lustful thoughts. He tells me when he is sometimes away from his wife he finds it extremely difficult. He is tempted to buy girlie magazines, or see a porn movie, or fantasizes about going to a strip club, or even a prostitute. Yet, he loves his wife dearly. He is just a weak human being like all of us. He tells me that the bad thoughts can go on for days driving him absolutely mad with temptation.

He has been a Christian for decades, so he prays about it, but the temptation does not go away. In the end, he masturbates to put a stop to the whole thing. He wants to be loyal to his wife and so far has not been unfaithful. He says masterbation is the only thing that allows him rest from his lustful thoughts. He says he hates being away from his wife on business, because of this situation. I don't judge him. How can I! I think if I told him about some of your judgmental comments he would be devastated. Some choices in life are like Rahab's lie, the lesser of two evils.

[BenjaminK]

Hi again,

Actually, I'm not very interested to debate or preach against masturbation.
As a normal (and healthy :) ) human being, I understand the urges of sex and so on.
My points may not be "eloquent" enough to please some of your raging minds.

Today, we live in a "hedonistic" culture. If it feels good, then do it! Or to put it further, if it feels good, and it harms "no one", then by all means DO IT!!

In my humble understanding, this clearly reveals the character of sin in all of us. It deceives us. We ease our conscience and we offer excuses. To everything said and done, it's not a question of right and wrong anymore. It is how we can justify the "wrongs" that we do so that it "becomes" right...

As I mentioned earlier, I understand the struggles of lusts and sexual urges like every healthy man would. I have my shares of weaknesses and failures. It does not mean that I will compromise or water down the truth of God. Because I know whom I have believed. My loving God is not out to punish and condemn sinners like me who've failed. He walked on this earth before and He definitely understands what it means to be a man. And He offered a new and living way. To those who would humble themselves and acknowledge their need for freedom from sin and embrace His offer for forgiveness and redemption - the way to life abundant is then revealed and manifested to them. There is a life of victory (rather than to choose the lesser of two evils) and pleasure forevermore before the Presence of the Living God.

May the weak, hungry and humble in heart acknowledge their need and therein at the foot of the cross, victory, freedom and life may be found in Jesus' Name!

Rgds,
Ben

[MQTA]

I am tired of the judgmentalism of some posts on this thread. Listen! I have a friend who has lustful thoughts. He tells me when he is sometimes away from his wife he finds it extremely difficult. He is tempted to buy girlie magazines, or see a porn movie, or fantasizes about going to a strip club, or even a prostitute. Yet, he loves his wife dearly. He is just a weak human being like all of us. He tells me that the bad thoughts can go on for days driving him absolutely mad with temptation.

He has been a Christian for decades, so he prays about it, but the temptation does not go away. In the end, he masturbates to put a stop to the whole thing. He wants to be loyal to his wife and so far has not been unfaithful. He says masterbation is the only thing that allows him rest from his lustful thoughts. He says he hates being away from his wife on business, because of this situation. I don't judge him. How can I! I think if I told him about some of your judgmental comments he would be devastated. Some choices in life are like Rahab's lie, the lesser of two evils.Now, what would be the difference in his emotions and cognitive dissonance if he would embrace and love his own body the way he is, and not feel guilty about it? Same act, different feeling, possible better outcome.

How can you please another if you don't know how to please yourself?

Perhaps there's a misunderstanding, and then putting objectives one can't meet, and then feeling bad about not meeting them, doing it anyway, and then beating yourself up over it. How sad.

If you pray to God and ask for Him to show you the way, and He approves of your actions, isn't that more up to date and valid than what other people are trying to tell you is wrong for yourself?

Most males play with themselves before they even know the language we all speak. We learn to do it in private after getting yelled at constantly for doing it in front of mommy and daddy. Do we STOP doing it? No, we just learn to do it when we're alone. We also learn it's not a good topic to talk to others about, because THEY have their own hangups and would just project them on to you and make you feel worse.

I really don't care what anyone SAYS, I couldn't even possibly, or want to, verify their sincerety or practices. This is one thing that truly is nobody else's business but your own.

When you're in a shower, being afraid to wash your own body and know that it feels good, is your own choice to make.

That which you suppress and repress comes out in other ways, sometimes a lot worse than just accepting you were made to feel what you feel.


Could be a lot of our earthly problems stem from this one topic.

It's interesting to see which topics keep coming Up over and over.

[mrlolman04]

LOL if masterbation's a sin, then I guess I have hundreds of sins that I need to get rid of.

[2001MustangGT]

Over masterbation can lead to importence??? That is very interesting. I would love to know the reference for that little known fact.


This is not true. Masturbation does not lead to impotence. I did a google search and found nothing about masturbation causing impotence. Not on menstuff, not on globalfamilydoctor, not on webmd, not anywhere.

I also did a search on google for masturbation and prostate cancer, and I found that there was a study recently that showed that regular masturbation well decrease your chances for developing prostate cancer


Since Im under 15 posts I cannot put exact links on yet otherwise I would.


So either do a search on google for "masturbation and prostate cancer" there is stuff on globalfamilydoctor website and on menstuff website.


they say that ejaculation is negatively associated with prostate cancer, which means in laymens terms that the more you masturbate the less likely you are to develop prostate cancer.

[Rafael]

Here's good link about mastubation. Might as well call it what it is and deal with it in truth:
http://www.bible.com/answers/amasturb.html

[gary cook]

yes their is in gen. GOD cursed a man for taking it out of a women ,our seed is HOLY ,but our flesh is weak and controls most people ,when in truth we are too control it ,He also said it is better to put your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground ,you judge is it better to put those million or so babys on the ground or have the one above the rest that make it to be a child ?we are MORE than we appear,

[Dust and Ashes]

Tell me if I'm wrong, one cannot masturbate without having lustful and immoral mental images in the mind or the imagination. This, in itself is sin.
Ben
So, if my wife is out of town for a few days and I notice my eyes lingering a bit too long on images on tv or the net so I decide to masturbate while fantasizing about my wife, that's immoral? hmmm...what does that make the things we do when we're together? :eek:

[Dust and Ashes]

yes their is in gen. GOD cursed a man for taking it out of a women ,our seed is HOLY ,but our flesh is weak and controls most people ,when in truth we are too control it ,He also said it is better to put your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground ,you judge is it better to put those million or so babys on the ground or have the one above the rest that make it to be a child ?we are MORE than we appear,
Onan got into trouble because he was supposed to be giving his late brother's wife offspring for his brother as was the custom. Instead, he just used her for sex and pulled out so that she wouldn't get pregnant. It had nothing to do with masturbation.

The part about putting your seed in the belly of a whore is a just an urban legend. It's not in the Bible.

[Grace_Alone4gives]

So, if my wife is out of town for a few days and I notice my eyes lingering a bit too long on images on tv or the net so I decide to masturbate while fantasizing about my wife, that's immoral? hmmm...what does that make the things we do when we're together? :eek:I have wondered about this myself - but my conclusion is - it is still immoral as you are using images of your wife - and not your wife. Could you do this and pray right afterwards for God to bless you marraige?

Note that I am not calling you a sinner - I understand this is a struggle - but it would not be a struggle for humankind to resist such temptations to please themselves, if it wasn't infact sinful. KWIM?

[Dust and Ashes]

I have wondered about this myself - but my conclusion is - it is still immoral as you are using images of your wife - and not your wife. Could you do this and pray right afterwards for God to bless you marraige?

Note that I am not calling you a sinner - I understand this is a struggle - but it would not be a struggle for humankind to resist such temptations to please themselves, if it wasn't infact sinful. KWIM?
It's not really a struggle with me, I was just using myself as an example to make a point. When things like that start bothering me, I'll pray about it and if that doesn't help, I'll go to rotten.com and look at some autopsy pics to get a better perspective on the ultimate nature of flesh. :sick:

[gary cook]

GOD cursed a man in the bible for it ,and HE said it was better to put your seed in the belly of a whre than on the ground ,our seed is HOLY ,not a toy

[Song]

In where did God forbid rape?
what kind of question is this?? are you trying to justify something??

lets see read the story about David’s daughter...

the bible doesn't come right out and say "thou shall not rape" but it does say though shall not steal, commit adultery....



if you rape someone you are taking something that does not belong to you. Plus society has told us this act is wrong... Jesus commanded his disciples to obey them that have rule over you (ie the law).

[Miles Peterson]

GOD cursed a man in the bible for it ,and HE said it was better to put your seed in the belly of a whre than on the ground ,our seed is HOLY ,not a toy
Can you please cite the chapter & verse that says "it was better to put your seed in the belly of a whre"

[Dust and Ashes]

what kind of question is this?? are you trying to justify something??

lets see read the story about David’s daughter...

the bible doesn't come right out and say "thou shall not rape" but it does say though shall not steal, commit adultery....



if you rape someone you are taking something that does not belong to you. Plus society has told us this act is wrong... Jesus commanded his disciples to obey them that have rule over you (ie the law).


What was the penalty for rape according to the Law?

[Dust and Ashes]

GOD cursed a man in the bible for it ,and HE said it was better to put your seed in the belly of a whre than on the ground ,our seed is HOLY ,not a toy
This is it. It says nothing about masturbation and certainly nothing about putting your seed in the belly of a whore.

Gen 38:8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Gen 38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

[Philo]

Not again!

[Philo]

Freaking masturbation threads, seriously. They go on forever. This is what happens when the bible offers no clear-cut rules on an issue. I'll just go with the Pauline standard here. If your conscience convicts you, don't do it.

Simple? Yes. Biblical? Yes.

Try it! It works!

Yucky,

Philo

[Philo]

I wonder if some of the posters in this thread realize that not everyone feels guilty when they masturbate. Because the way they talk, it seems like they believe that we all have a perpetual ruler-bearing nun sitting on our shoulder.

I feel guilty when I write with my left hand. Which, incidently, was long thought to be a sin on par with or exceeding masturbation in severity.

Oh Snap,

Philolander

[Rising_Suns]

Freaking masturbation threads, seriously. They go on forever...and I do not understand why. It seems people will look for any excuse to give in to every whim of their sexual impulses. If there was a good indicator for the lack of discipline and order in one's life, it is being a slave to their very bodies; lack of will, lack of control, and further ignoring the fact their bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit.

[suzie]

Good answer philo....I'll just go with the Pauline standard here. If your conscience convicts you, don't do it.

Simple? Yes. Biblical? Yes.

[violetstar]

Yes, anything sexual before marriage is a sin.

[Rising_Suns]

..I'll just go with the Pauline standard here. If your conscience convicts you, don't do it.

Simple? Yes. Biblical? Yes.

So you believe ignorance is bliss?


...what if it is voluntary ignorance?

[One Truth Prevails]

No, if you've got the urge, masturbate... It's that simple. You get the job done, and don't have to wory about the reprecussions (sp?) of pre-marital sex or rape.....


Remember: One Truth Prevails... PM me if you want to know what that means...

[Rising_Suns]

No, if you've got the urge, masturbate... It's that simple.
What if I get the urge to kill you? Is it that simple?

[romanseleventhirtytwo]

Yes.
1 Corinthians 6.19-20: Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have recieved from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

[suzie]

So you thinik that Paul was speaking about masterbation in this verse?

[romanseleventhirtytwo]

I do because he was just talking about how everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial. He goes onto say that the body is meant for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. You have to ask yourself: why do people masturbate? The honest answer is to fulfill our fleshly desires- which I think definately gives the devil a foothold.

[Philo]

I do because he was just talking about how everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial. He goes onto say that the body is meant for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. You have to ask yourself: why do people masturbate? The honest answer is to fulfill our fleshly desires- which I think definately gives the devil a foothold.
The same could be said of eating good food as opposed to simply eating bland staple foods. Or having a car instead of walking, or any number of other things.

If you think masturbation is hindering you spiritually, I would suggest not doing it.

Philo

[Philo]

What if I get the urge to kill you? Is it that simple?
Well, since murder is pretty clearly not loving, I'd stay away from it.

But what about killing someone to defend your loved ones? How about your country? Your property? Yourself?

Ophello

[Philo]

So you thinik that Paul was speaking about masterbation in this verse?
I think that verse refers to the Church. It makes more sense in that context.

[Philo]

[/font]

So you believe ignorance is bliss?


...what if it is voluntary ignorance?
"Where there is no law, there is no transgression."

[Rising_Suns]

I do because he was just talking about how everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial. He goes onto say that the body is meant for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. You have to ask yourself: why do people masturbate? The honest answer is to fulfill our fleshly desires- which I think definately gives the devil a foothold.
amen.

[Rising_Suns]

The same could be said of eating good food as opposed to simply eating bland staple foods. Or having a car instead of walking, or any number of other things.

If you think masturbation is hindering you spiritually, I would suggest not doing it.

PhiloPhilo,
First, let me welcome you to the boards.:)

Second, let me make a secondary point that it is very important that you understand the words you speak, and realize there are many individuals who are reading what you are saying; some of whom may be totally consumed by their habit of masturbation and would look for any excuse to continue doing it. So you must take responsibility in the words you speak.


Third, I am truly wondering if you believe masturbation is ok, or if you are not just willfully being ignorant of its sinfull nature. Please, for the sake of the good of everyone here, do not rationalize away this behavior. Just because you cannot find Scripture that directly condemns masturbation, doesn't give you the green light to do what you want. If you understand the spirit of the Bible, it will just be common sense that it is morally wrong.

Our bodies are not our own; they belong to God. Would God treat His body in such a way? Do you think Jesus gave in to His earthly desires like that?


Masturbation is allowing your body to control your actions; it is giving in to every whim of your sexual impulses, and it reflects a lack of self-control and dicipline, but I should not be surprised to see this, being that we live in a country where pleasure is on demand.

[Philo]

Philo,
First, let me welcome you to the boards.:)
Thanks. I've been around for a while, actually. Just nto too prolific a poster.

Second, let me make a secondary point that it is very important that you understand the words you speak, and realize there are many individuals who are reading what you are saying; some of whom may be totally consumed by their habit of masturbation and would look for any excuse to continue doing it. So you must take responsibility in the words you speak.
I understand this. If someone has anything that consumes them besides Christ, they have a problem. Sexual addiction, drug addiction, food addiction, or whathave you are all spiritually detrimental.

Third, I am truly wondering if you believe masturbation is ok, or if you are not just willfully being ignorant of its sinfull nature. Please, for the sake of the good of everyone here, do not rationalize away this behavior. Just because you cannot find Scripture that directly condemns masturbation, doesn't give you the green light to do what you want. If you understand the spirit of the Bible, it will just be common sense that it is morally wrong.

Our bodies are not our own; they belong to God. Would God treat His body in such a way? Do you think Jesus gave in to His earthly desires like that?

Masturbation is allowing your body to control your actions; it is giving in to every whim of your sexual impulses, and it reflects a lack of self-control and dicipline, but I should not be surprised to see this, being that we live in a country where pleasure is on demand.
Now, here's where things get sticky.

You don't think God wants us to treat our bodies that way. Why?

You think that masturbation equates to giving into every whim of your sexual impulses. Why?

You think that masturbation reflects a lack of self-control and discipline. Why?

Here's a hint... You know what a tautology is? Because you will most likely fall into one on question number 1.

I have more stuff to tell you that is even more important, but that will come after you answer the above questions.

Thinking,

Philo

[Rising_Suns]

philo,
If you have to ask those questions after what I have previously said, I am afraid my words would be of no benefit to you. I will pray for you brother.

[Philo]

philo,
If you have to ask those questions after what I have previously said, I am afraid my words would be of no benefit to you. I will pray for you brother.
These aren't questions I have. They are questions for you. Don't take your ball and go home just yet.

Socratic all up in this,

Philo

[suzie]

I do because he was just talking about how everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial. He goes onto say that the body is meant for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. You have to ask yourself: why do people masturbate? The honest answer is to fulfill our fleshly desires- which I think definately gives the devil a foothold .

In reading this passage which begins in v9... it appears to be laying out the implications for sexual immorality and is concerned with religious prostitution. There were temple prostitutes in Corinth that were significant in number. Sex was part of the worship in these pagan temples. ..the goddess Aphrodite was goddess of love and very much a part of this culture as well as sexual immorality. I think that when we take Scriptures and make our own rules and laws that we impose onto others as sin, then we walk that line of legalism. It is a matter of the heart and motive that God judges.

[fashionably_lonely]

the "Fleshly desires" that God made me with..hmm, cant think of a reason why I'd wanna enjoy that..

[InnerPhyre]

Would Jesus do it?

[climbrgirl]

I don't it's a sin but read the verse: Do not set no worthless thing before your eye's......
not that it's before your eyes......u know what mean........

[climbrgirl]

Wwjd.......

[Asaph]

I don't know if this will help or not but here goes:

Rom 14:21-23
22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
NKJV

Asaph

[SarahAblaze06]

oh my. well you can argue that the word "masturbation" isnt in the bible-- there are also alot of other words taht arent in the bible "pornography", "molestation" the list goes on, but does that make those things any less wrong? - it's not about how far close to the edge we can get, but how high our goal of holiness is. i'm not saying anyone is perfect, we all have our temptations and downfalls, but it is the ones who fight the temptations of the flesh who will gain the spiritual benefits. even Jesus had temptations... but he quoted the word and stood his ground. i think we should aim for that same kind of holiness.

[Asaph]

oh my. well you can argue that the word "masturbation" isnt in the bible-- there are also alot of other words taht arent in the bible "pornography", "molestation" the list goes on, but does that make those things any less wrong? - it's not about how far close to the edge we can get, but how high our goal of holiness is. i'm not saying anyone is perfect, we all have our temptations and downfalls, but it is the ones who fight the temptations of the flesh who will gain the spiritual benefits. even Jesus had temptations... but he quoted the word and stood his ground. i think we should aim for that same kind of holiness.
I don't know if this was directed at what I posted or not, but I think probably not. I offered the scripture that I did to make almost the same point I think. If we set our minds on spiritual things we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Aim for God and try not to miss. Ultimately though, the answer to the question of whether or not it's a sin is between God and the person asking isn't it? I couldn't find any scriptures other than the one I posted to make a judgement on it. (Personally, I think if a person asks God about it with a sincere heart, they will come away knowing God does not accept such a practice as holy). IMHO anyway.

Grace, Mercy, and great overflowing Joy to you today,
Asaph

[Rising_Suns]

Ultimately though, the answer to the question of whether or not it's a sin is between God and the person asking isn't it?

Do you believe sin is relative?

[Asaph]

Do you believe sin is relative?
Your question cannot be answered. Relative to what? Only God is sinless. Who is it who judges what is perfection and what is sin, but He who knows no sin? How could one rotten apple turn to another rotten apple and tell it that it is sinful because it is rotten on the wrong side?
All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. So who are we to judge another's servant?

Or did I read too much into your question?...LOL If so, I apologize.
Asaph

[Rising_Suns]

Your question cannot be answered. Relative to what? Only God is sinless. Who is it who judges what is perfection and what is sin, but He who knows no sin? How could one rotten apple turn to another rotten apple and tell it that it is sinful because it is rotten on the wrong side?
All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. So who are we to judge another's servant?

Or did I read too much into your question?...LOL If so, I apologize.
Asaphyou could have just said no. :)

[Asaph]

you could have just said no. :)
You are absolutely correct, that's why I apologized just in case...LOL

Have a blessed evening,
Asaph

[MusicMelOU]

Yes, I think it is because it is driven by lust, which is said to be impure in the Bible.

[Asaph]

Yes, I think it is because it is driven by lust, which is said to be impure in the Bible.
As in the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, or the Pride of life?

[Rising_Suns]

Yes, I think it is because it is driven by lust, which is said to be impure in the Bible.
and it should also be said that it's not just lust in the sexual sense, but anything that consumes a persons desire and takes one's focus off of God, can be lust; masturbation being the prime candidate.

[on fire 4 christ]

:hug: hello

[on fire 4 christ]

Iwill only say one thing about this dont love pleasure of the world more than Christ plus why would u want to God is greater than all things give more time to God not yourself

[on fire 4 christ]

I will only say one thing about this dont love pleasure of the world more than Christ plus why would u want to God is greater than all things give more time to God and less time for you

[on fire 4 christ]

amen

[Duggie]

[HopeTheyDance]I have wondered about this myself - but my conclusion is - it is still immoral as you are using images of your wife - and not your wife. Could you do this and pray right afterwards for God to bless you marraige?

Note that I am not calling you a sinner - I understand this is a struggle - but it would not be a struggle for humankind to resist such temptations to please themselves, if it wasn't infact sinful. KWIM?
Hi :) I would respectfully have to disagree with you. If my wife is away for a few days on a work related course and I am missing her, physically, and I then commit the act of masturbation whilst totally focusing on my wife how is that even remotely sinful? If there is a verse in the bible that anyone can find that catigorically states that man should not have lustful thoughts about his wife then please post. If I were to focus my lust on another women then obviously I am commiting sin, but my own wife? Na!!! I don't consider it sin. Peace!!!

[sykotick]

ok, so if married men get to masturbate while there spouse is on vacation, away from home for buisness etc. then how is it any worse for a single man to do it???? and consiquently, it is VERY possible to do it without having lustfull thoughts, it is quite easy, just to close your eyes and go off. and if you do it to feel good, and that is such a sin to fell good, then really you shouldnt do anything at all that makes you feel happy/good/special etc. etc. right? or am i just totally off track here.

[sykotick]

o, and if its a sin to look at a really pretty girl (not talking about masturbation here) then how do u know who you like? If it is a sin to look at your b/f or g/f and to say that they are very pretty, beautifull, or to look at someone that you want to ask out, then making every bodly look different would really have been pointless right? now im not trying to offend in any way, i just want to get the facts straghit.

[DamnAtheists]

Of Course, If U Masturbate You Will Go To Hell Imediatly

[Dust and Ashes]

o, and if its a sin to look at a really pretty girl (not talking about masturbation here) then how do u know who you like? If it is a sin to look at your b/f or g/f and to say that they are very pretty, beautifull, or to look at someone that you want to ask out, then making every bodly look different would really have been pointless right? now im not trying to offend in any way, i just want to get the facts straghit.
Admiring someone's good looks is quite different from lusting. I can look at a very beautiful woman and admire her beauty and there is nothing wrong with it. When I start to think how nice it would be to...that's when it starts getting lustful.

[sykotick]

ok, thank you, i was always confused about that.:)

[Rising_Suns]

If my wife is away for a few days on a work related course and I am missing her, physically, and I then commit the act of masturbation whilst totally focusing on my wife how is that even remotely sinful?
I would say that is still lust.


If one's spouse goes away on vacation, that is not a free ticket to give into to your fleshly desires to please yourself. You belong to your spouse and your spouse belongs to you, and you should repect your spouse enough to wait till they get back home to please them instead of your hand.

Don't let society water you down. Atleast have the tiniest bit of control over your carnal desires. If one can't wait a couple weeks, then I would say there is a bigger problem going on with lust in your life.

[but'n'ben]

I would say it is a sin. The old testament tells us that Man was made in Gods image. Which mean we are supposed to be like God. Desire is generally looked at as being from Satan and if we can't control animal instincts then Satan has us right where he wants us.

However, I am not sure about it within marriage. Isn't this better than adultry?

[vanshan]

If it's a sin to look on a woman and have lustful thoughts, doesn't that pretty much answer the question in this thread? I don't know what's on everyone else's mind while doing this, but . . . :idea:

The best idea is to build a habit of fasting on a regular basis (the ancient Church didn't require a fast from any food, just giving up meat and dairy for a couple days a week and eating smaller portions of a strict vegetarian diet) and making a habit of prayer. These things give strength to resist bodily appetites like the appetite for sex as well as the temptation to overindulge in food. I have been amazed at how this has helped me, but don't take my word for it try it.

Basil

[Rising_Suns]

If it's a sin to look on a woman and have lustful thoughts, doesn't that pretty much answer the question in this thread? I don't know what's on everyone else's mind while doing this, but . .
A common arguement against this, that some people try to argue, is that one can masturbate without lusting, and therefore it would not be sinfull. How that works though, I haven't a clue, since I am of the belief that masturbation is inherently sinfull.

[Rising_Suns]

The best idea is to build a habit of fasting on a regular basis
Yes, I agree completely. Fasting will help build stength of will over one's body and passions. We need to resist this cultural infusion of pleasure on demand, and trun to Christ in all that we do.

[fashionably_lonely]

I think we need to get over this idea that God doesn't intend for us to have pleasure..

[OrthodoxyUSA]

You guys have missed the point, the nature of sin, indeed the word sin means to "miss the mark".
All of us fall short of perfection, because we miss the mark....
Perfection does not include our own satisfaction, when we satisfy ourselves we have left the path to God.
God is the only one who can satisfy man.... the rest are lies, we know where "they" come from.
Man has been trying to satisfy himself since Adam and Eve were thrown out of the garden.
We have free will and God will suffer to see us through our sins. Do not dispair, ask forgiveness, be penitent and try again.

Talk to an Orthodox Priest for a better understanding of sin.....

[hola]

I believe that masturbation is a sin. If we look at how God has made things known in his creation/nature, we see that when God created man, it was a type of himself. And when God created Eve, it was a type of his church. I don't believe God wanted to show us that he found only fulfillment in himself, as masturbation would without a partner in a certain sense. I believe God created women to show that he delights in his bride, and I'm sure that he's been waiting eagerly for her.

[God_of_Mercy]

Yes it is a sin, it is self-abuse and while u do it other sins come such as unclean thoughts

[Asaph]

IS MASTERBATION A SIN?

If you find yourself asking that question.........of course it is.

[duh_hikki_zealot]

Well, it leads to bigger, more sins, so.. it is a sin.

[Thunderchild]

Masturbation which violates the principles of love would definitely be a sin.

[New_Wineskin]

If the Lord is telling you not to do it , don't do it . If He says nothing or says it's fine , don't worry about it . If one wants to go back to needing a list of written sins to determine what to do and what not to do , Judaism may be a better source for them .

[sakamuyo]

I have heard both ways. If you think it's a sin, it's a sin. If you don't, it isn't. Romans 14, 15. Same issue as drinking, smoking, or eating meat sacrificed to idols.

[J.David]

I believe it is something that most, if not all men or even women have done. I think it is something that doesn't edify, but in the same time something that has to be patiently worked upon to stop. The bad part about it is not really the act, but rather the lusting or coveting of another in your mind to come to climax. When Jesus said the lusting of another is committing adultery, I think He was showing that no matter how "pure" your acts are, the sin is still there inside of us and you need His atonement for the forgiveness. This is something that all people can relate to because we all do it. This isn't to condemn us, but to make us think soberly about what we are, sinners. Only because of Him are we saved and this is a gift of God and not the results of our actions. When we get stronger in the Lord we may be able to restrain, but if not then marriage is definately the answer. Don't be hasty though, be patient and don't let your carnal mind condemn you. Peace brothers...

[J.David]

I would like to add that, I think masturbation is a weakness of the flesh and not a sin. The Ten Commandments are what we should adhere to along with what Jesus said, if not, then sin lies at the door. I find that alot of infirmities of the flesh(weaknesses) are being incorrectly labeled as sins from people trying to separate themselves in the sight of men. I have many weaknesses and am working on them in the Lord, there was a time when I viewed this as sin, but have come to the understanding that this is just our infirmities. It's the world and the god of it trying to belittle us and look for a way in by self-condemnation. We can overcome them, but again it takes patience and perserverence (sp). Just keep growing in the Lord brothers, there is nothing that will separate us from the love of God, we are His no matter what. Am I saying to just give up and not try anymore? Of course not, keep fighting the good fight and may the Lord Jesus Christ be with you...

[Rising_Suns]

If you think it's a sin, it's a sin. If you don't, it isn't. Romans 14, 15. Same issue as drinking, smoking, or eating meat sacrificed to idols.
There have been murders who thought they were justly carrying out God's will. By your logic, they did not sin.

[sakamuyo]

No. Incorrect use of the logic. Scripture clearly states that murder is a sin. Romans 14/15 deals with neutral issues, not absolute issues. Murder is not a Romans 14,15 issue.

[eternalmade777]

what how is masterbation not a sin? explain to me that?
tell me what are you think of when you masterbate hmm sex, lust, ect and that is most defintantly a sin and if ur doing some thing that causes you to sin thats a sin too i mean come on!:doh:

signed eternal made777

[eternalmade777]

Would Jesus do it?hmm... well put

[J.David]

what how is masterbation not a sin? explain to me that?
tell me what are you think of when you masterbate hmm sex, lust, ect and that is most defintantly a sin and if ur doing some thing that causes you to sin thats a sin too i mean come on!:doh:

signed eternal made777
Then watching T.V. and even living in todays society is a sin in your rationale. The Ten Commandments and Jesus' doctrine are what is to be adhered to. Half-naked women if not fully nude, violence, lies, etc., etc., is all portrayed as O.K. in today's society. So if I glance at a billboard with a fair looking woman on it and the thought of sex crosses my mind, I have sinned?

[eternalmade777]

yes

[J.David]

You have never done that then? Or anything remotely close or far away even?

[eternalmade777]

no i have most defintly fallen but that dosnt change that fact that it is a sin. all i can do is repent and keep walking

[J.David]

no i have most defintly fallen but that dosnt change that fact that it is a sin. all i can do is repent and keep walking
I see what you're saying now, it was a little unclear to me at first. So what are our weaknesses then? Just asking your thought on it...

[eternalmade777]

umm weakness ? dont quite no .. i think that sin can be weakness also dont no quite what ur asking?

[J.David]

umm weakness ? dont quite no .. i think that sin can be weakness also dont no quite what ur asking?
When Paul specifically draws the line between infirmity (weakness) of the flesh and sin. What are these infirmities that he is referring to? Hope this helps...

[eternalmade777]

When Paul specifically draws the line between infirmity (weakness) of the flesh and sin. What are these infirmities that he is referring to? Hope this helps... were in the bible is this , just askin havent studed it:confused:

[J.David]

It is referred to alot in 2 Corinthians chapters 11 and 12. But that isnt the only place, but the most listed.

[eternalmade777]

When Paul specifically draws the line between infirmity (weakness) of the flesh and sin. What are these infirmities that he is referring to? Hope this helps... where is this in the bible just asking. havent studied it:confused:

[eternalmade777]

:) :) sry bout that 2nd reply im new at this and thx ill get back to ya on that when i study it hopefuly soon.lol talk u u agean hopefully ima gona:sleep:
eternal made777

[J.David]

The point I'm getting at is there is a distinction between infirmity, iniquity and sin. I also believe that this distinction is becoming all sin in the worlds view to try and destroy the love of the brethren towards eachother. Causing divisions by saying that our weaknesses are sin so they can accuse us falsley of living a life of sin. Trying to overthrow the love of God in the sight of babies in Christ. This is impossible to really happen, but if satan can sway the faith and trust of some that are babies in Christ it will make their steps much more difficult. Not to mention labeling the believers as all hypocrites in the eyes of non-believers.

[eternalmade777]

The point I'm getting at is there is a distinction between infirmity, iniquity and sin. I also believe that this distinction is becoming all sin in the worlds view to try and destroy the love of the brethren towards eachother. Causing divisions by saying that our weaknesses are sin so they can accuse us falsley of living a life of sin. Trying to overthrow the love of God in the sight of babies in Christ. This is impossible to really happen, but if satan can sway the faith and trust of some that are babies in Christ it will make their steps much more difficult. Not to mention labeling the believers as all hypocrites in the eyes of non-believers. good point i disnt relly no where you were coming from but i still think its a sin you might not but i think we can both agree its wrong

[cygnusx1]

I have heard both ways.
Why has no-one quoted this scripture?


"And if a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening." Leviticus 15:16-18

[sakamuyo]

Why has no-one quoted this scripture?

"And if a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening." Leviticus 15:16-18

Probably because it has nothing to do with the conversation. If you want to use that passage to claim masturbation is a sin, you need to read the entire passage and deduce that a husband having sex with his wife is also sin.

In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with masturbation. However, if your faith tells you it is a sin, then you should not do it. No different than drinking or smoking.

[eternalmade777]

yes but what does drinkin lead to? druknardness
and somking ? to addiction both are sin what does masturbation lead to? hhmm...

[Rising_Suns]

From a Catholic standpoint, although the Bible can be intepretted in many ways, the Church's teaching is very clear about the nature of masturbation.
2352 "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." 138 (http://www.kofc.org/publications/cis/catechism/getnote.cfm?ParNum=2352&FNoteNum=138) "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved." 139 (http://www.kofc.org/publications/cis/catechism/getnote.cfm?ParNum=2352&FNoteNum=139)

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

So there you have it. No room to rationalize/justify this behavior as a Catholic. :)

[sakamuyo]

yes but what does drinkin lead to? druknardness
and somking ? to addiction both are sin what does masturbation lead to? hhmm...
I will agree that sexual addiction (of any kind - including sexual addiction within the confines of marriage) is a problem requiring healing. But to say that drinking leads to drunkardness is immature. It /can/ lead to drunkardness, but does not lead to this in all cases. The possibility of leading to a problem is certainly a good reason to avoid drinking, smoking, or masturbation. That is a far cry short of making those things wrong or sinful, though.

[AVBunyan]

I have heard both ways.First - I can't believe this is even being brought up http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

Second - I can't believe I'm even responding http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/doh.gif

To thougths should settle this:

First - can the person fixing to commit the act bow his/her head and ask God's blessing upon the act and give thanks for the opportunity?
1 Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Second - Can the person fixing to commit the act say it is for the glory of God?
1 Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

The two above principles should settle the issue!

God bless http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/indiff.gif

[Asaph]

First - I can't believe this is even being brought up http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

Second - I can't believe I'm even responding http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/doh.gif

To thougths should settle this:

First - can the person fixing to commit the act bow his/her head and ask God's blessing upon the act and give thanks for the opportunity?
1 Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Second - Can the person fixing to commit the act say it is for the glory of God?
1 Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

The two above principles should settle the issue!

God bless http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/indiff.gif
Yeah AV, you would think that would settle it, but I'll lay odds it doesn't!....:D

Asaph

[cygnusx1]

Probably because it has nothing to do with the conversation. If you want to use that passage to claim masturbation is a sin, you need to read the entire passage and deduce that a husband having sex with his wife is also sin.

In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with masturbation. However, if your faith tells you it is a sin, then you should not do it. No different than drinking or smoking.
I have read the entire chapter and it has everything to do with the question....:doh:


"2. The Book of Leviticus provides many illustrations of the defilements that we all inherited from Adam. Leviticus 15:16-18 refers specifically to uncleanness resulting from an emission of semen:
"And if a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening."
Ray C. Stedman comments on this passage as follows:
"It would be a great mistake to judge from this passage that the Bible suggests in any way that sex in marriage is immoral or wrong. This is simply God's reminder of the pollution of nature, of the fact that the nature of humanity is fallen and that man cannot solve his problems himself. He desperately needs a Savior. And he passes on to his children the same fallen, twisted nature and propensities which he himself is born with...
"Life is continually confirming this great fundamental fact which the Scriptures set before us---that there is something wrong with nature. So all that God is doing here when he says that the act of sex results in an uncleanness until evening is simply reminding us that man is a fallen creature and that he must deal with that problem realistically. He can't avoid it. There is no way that he can eliminate it himself. God must handle it, and God has handled it. There is only one way it can be handled---the redemptive intervention of God---and if it isn't handled that way there is no escape from the defilement and the destruction of humanity which will follow. So God reminds us that even in the act of sex which results in conception there is a fallen nature involved." (Ray C. Stedman, The Trouble with Nature, from Commentary on Leviticus).
In the Bible Knowledge Commentary (Victor Books, 1985) F. Duane Lindsey comments on the above passage from Leviticus as follows:
"The second case pertaining to males was the periodic discharge of an emission of semen, whether possibly a nocturnal emission or one during intercourse. For this case no sacrifice [for sin] was required and the uncleanness was resolved by a simple wash-and-wait (till evening). It is noteworthy that while the normal sexual process between husband and wife made both partners ceremonially unclean---no guilt was involved and so no sacrifice was required." (Commentary on Leviticus, p. 195).
It would seem that all forms of sexual activity, even in a marriage where sexual expression carries God's endorsement and approval, carry the taint of original sin. Portions of Leviticus are designed to protect against sexually-transmitted diseases, and much of Leviticus contains the "holiness codes" for sexual conduct which were imparted to mankind as part of the Law of Moses.
3. A thorough discussion of masturbation and other topics of sexual morality is found in the book Sexual Chaos by John Vertefeuille, published by Crossway Books in 1988. The author is college pastor of Faith Chapel in La Mesa, California.
4. Dr. John White's book Eros Redeemed (Intervarsity Press, 1993)--is excellent.
John White writes as follows (pp124-125),
"In Eros Defiled I wrote about masturbation with compassion. I still have compassion for the victims of masturbation, but the time has now come for me to challenge the views that prevail and to call on Christians to face reality. Masturbation is sin. It is not grave sin, not nearly as serious as pride, or cruelty, or even unkindness. But still it is sin.
Let me state my reasons for calling it sin at all. It is sin because sexuality was not given us for that purpose. In masturbating we use our bodily parts for a purpose God never intended for them. To say that the release of sexual tension justifies it is what my grandmother would have called "all my eye and Peggy Martin"---or what logicians might call specious reasoning.
My first argument, then, for calling masturbation sin is what could be called the argument of design. My body is mine only in the sense that I am responsible for its proper use. I am its steward. For what was my body designed? The Westminster Confession asks a similar if not identical question. "What is the chief end of man?" The answer the authors give is, "Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him forever."
Paul expresses the same end for our bodies. He concludes, "So glorify God in your body" (1 Cor 6:20 RSV). The argument I have been using from chapter three onward concerns the offering of our bodies to God as an act of worship. In the NIV version of Romans 6, Paul even mentions the parts of our bodies, saying, "Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness . . . offer the parts of your body to him [God] as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master" (Rom 6:13- 14)
My body was not designed to masturbate. My body was designed to be used exclusively to glorify God. To use it in any other way is to rob God of something that is his by right, for there are no morally neutral actions."

http://www.ldolphin.org/Mast.shtml

[sakamuyo]

You absolutely have the right to your final statement, that your body was not designed to masturbate. I will not question that. It is not my place to question that. However, the lengthy commentary you posted misses out on something very important. The scripture is clear that an emission of semen resulted in being ceremonially unclean. Two further things need to be pointed out:

1) The scripture says /any/ emission will make you unclean, not just emissions outside of marriage.

2) "Ceremonially unclean" does not always equate "sin" or "wrong." Are you going to suggest a woman is sinning when she menstruates because Levitical law says a woman is "unclean" during that time? I certainly hope not!

[cygnusx1]

You absolutely have the right to your final statement, that your body was not designed to masturbate. I will not question that. It is not my place to question that. However, the lengthy commentary you posted misses out on something very important. The scripture is clear that an emission of semen resulted in being ceremonially unclean. Two further things need to be pointed out:

1) The scripture says /any/ emission will make you unclean, not just emissions outside of marriage.

2) "Ceremonially unclean" does not always equate "sin" or "wrong." Are you going to suggest a woman is sinning when she menstruates because Levitical law says a woman is "unclean" during that time? I certainly hope not!
The lengthy commentary I posted made clear both your points,and it seems that 'unclean' is not a sin,does touching a dead person make one unclean?Yes,but someones got to do it!
Same goes for those passages from Leviticus.
The only difference I can perceive is one of intent........does an intention to make oneself 'unclean' involve sin?

[Rising_Suns]

The lengthy commentary I posted made clear both your points,and it seems that 'unclean' is not a sin,does touching a dead person make one unclean?Yes,but someones got to do it!
Same goes for those passages from Leviticus.
The only difference I can perceive is one of intent........does an intention to make oneself 'unclean' involve sin?Sin is traced back to intention; indeed, that is the source of it, but actions also play a large role as well.

As for the OT, it's a lost cause to try to prove the wrongness of masturbation through it alone, as you have noted in Levitius. Based on the OT alone, if it's wrong to spill your seed, it is also wrong to eat fat (Lev 7:23), let a woman into Church until 42 days afer giving birth (lev 12:4-5), and that a beard must have sqaure corners (lev 19:27), and so on.

As someone mentioned before (see below), the most compelling arguments are found in the New Testament, mainly in that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and should be treated as such, not abused for our own personal sexual pleasures and impulses.

First - can the person fixing to commit the act bow his/her head and ask God's blessing upon the act and give thanks for the opportunity?
1 Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Second - Can the person fixing to commit the act say it is for the glory of God?
1 Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

[sakamuyo]

As someone mentioned before (see below), the most compelling arguments are found in the New Testament, mainly in that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and should be treated as such, not abused for our own personal sexual pleasures and impulses. Of course, this argument requires somehow determining that masturbation is abusive to your body or otherwise defiling of the temple. I will agree that we need to be good to our bodies, but we're still looking for something that says masturbation is unhealthy. It just isn't there in any direct statement or command, and even the indirect arguments are stretching it. This puts masturbation into the "neutral" category, meaning Scripture is not clear on the subject and each one of us need to make our own decision.

I highly respect and appreciate a decision to abstain for masturbation. I am not at all suggesting anyone should change his or her opinion of what is proper behavior. Since this is not an issue with a single, simple answer, we all need to respect one another and not look down on the other for coming to a different interpretation of Scripture.

(FWIW, I personally stay away from it. For me, it can be an unhealthy habit that leads down a bad path. While it is not a good thing for me, I am trying to recognize that Scripture does not make this a sin and that because it's wrong for me does not make it wrong for someone else.)

[Rising_Suns]

It just isn't there in any direct statement or command, and even the indirect arguments are stretching it. This puts masturbation into the "neutral" category, meaning Scripture is not clear on the subject and each one of us need to make our own decision.hmmmm, i would be carefull with your reasoning. Scripture doesn't directly condemn cloning or abortion either, but that doesn't mean it's up to our own personal judgement whether we can do it or not.

[New_Wineskin]

hmmmm, i would be carefull with your reasoning. Scripture doesn't directly condemn cloning or abortion either, but that doesn't mean it's up to our own personal judgement whether we can do it or not.
They weren't just talking about direct or indirect but that the indirect passages being used in this case can only be used by stretching the definition . To apply abortion to what they were saying is to actually consider that claiming a fetus is human is stretching the definition . But , people do not consider that to be stretching and neither do I . Abortion is murder because a fetus is human - a DNA sample would prove it . The passages that are presented to "prove" that the Scriptures are against masturbation have to do some fancy dancing to make it fit the subject .

[Rising_Suns]

I . Abortion is murder because a fetus is human - a DNA sample would prove it . The passages that are presented to "prove" that the Scriptures are against masturbation have to do some fancy dancing to make it fit the subject .
A piece of hair also contains DNA, does that mean it is a human life?


See, my point was simply that not everything in life is directly talked about in the Bible. If one believes that the Bible is their sole authority of God's word, there will inevtably be left alot of room for interpretation, which we see with the thousands of Protestant denominations in existence today.

But even if one is a sola scripturist, I believe the spirit of the Bible is very clear regarding masturbation. It's only when fundamentalists try to dissect and twist words to make the Bible say what they want it to say, is when we get into trouble.

[New_Wineskin]

A piece of hair also contains DNA, does that mean it is a human life?
The DNA in the piece of hair would determine if it came from a human and you knew that was what I was saying .



See, my point was simply that not everything in life is directly talked about in the Bible. If one believes that the Bible is their sole authority of God's word, there will inevtably be left alot of room for interpretation, which we see with the thousands of Protestant denominations in existence today.

But even if one is a sola scripturist, I believe the spirit of the Bible is very clear regarding masturbation. It's only when fundamentalists try to dissect and twist words to make the Bible say what they want it to say, is when we get into trouble.
Yeah , I understood that you were going for the need of human authority as well as biblical authority . I don't agree with either . I didn't want to get into that because a discussion on SS versus the stool would get us way off topic .

[Carl Carlson]

I believe it is a sin. It brings impurity into the mind and defiles the body. Such acts outside of marraige serve as selfish pleasure to the body in a sin-loving world, who love to justify their evil with poor rationale. What is the motive? What is the result? What does your conscience tell you? We can't ignore God's law written on our hearts and we can't continue to justify our sinful actions. We can plead our case to a just judge, but we will only get what we deserve.

[revrobor]

Why does this subject come up over and over again? The Bible does not address masturbation and the assumption that everyone who does it (men and women alike) is lusting is ludicrous. It's been answered repeatedly. Give it a rest.

[PaladinGirl]

In my opinion, masturbation is not a sin. If you happen to get excited, it's probably a good idea to try and relieve your urges as soon as you can. That way it doesn't bother you constantly and people don't notice. I honestly believe that sexual urges are perfectly natural and should not be suppressed.

[PaladinGirl]

I will agree that sexual addiction (of any kind - including sexual addiction within the confines of marriage) is a problem requiring healing. But to say that drinking leads to drunkardness is immature. It /can/ lead to drunkardness, but does not lead to this in all cases. The possibility of leading to a problem is certainly a good reason to avoid drinking, smoking, or masturbation. That is a far cry short of making those things wrong or sinful, though.
Hey there sakmuyo. I agree with what you said. I just wanted to add some things. Drinking is only a sin when it leads to drunkeness. And drinking can only lead to drunkeness through excess drinking. Most addictions are acquired by participating in something with excess. I believe it to be the same with masturbation. If you don't practice it in excess, then there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with masturbation as long as it doesn't become an obsessive thing that you have to do all the time.

[Rising_Suns]

In my opinion, masturbation is not a sin. If you happen to get excited, it's probably a good idea to try and relieve your urges as soon as you can. That way it doesn't bother you constantly and people don't notice. I honestly believe that sexual urges are perfectly natural and should not be suppressed.peace be with you holly.

I would just like to address a few things here....

First, you are a woman, and as a woman, you do not understand the plight men have to deal with regarding sexual immorality. You must realize that what you say on these boards could easily be used to rationalize sexual addiction.

Drinking is only a sin when it leads to drunkeness.....I believe it to be the same with masturbation.

There's nothing wrong with masturbation as long as it doesn't become an obsessive thing that you have to do all the timeYes, Jesus drank wine in moderation so as not to lead to drunkardness. But can you honestly tell me that Jesus masturbated in moderation? Can you honestly look me in face and tell me that if Jesus was standing right beside you while you were masturbating, you would continue to masturbate?


God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit see all that we do. And when we continue in our vices and sins, we continue to crucify Jesus in them, every day of our lives.

You say it is ok to give in to our sexual impulses, but if we did so then we would be no different than annimals because that is exactly what they do. God gave us the ability to deny our impulses, and this is what seaprates us from the animal kingdom. He expects us to use our will instead of being a complacent doormat and give in to every whim of our fleshly desires.

Masturbation is inherently disordered and not part of God's natural law or plan for our lives, and as such, it must be rooted out of our habit so as to avoid falling into the downward spiral.

Anyway, I kind of went off on a tangent again, so please don't take all this as directed to you.

God's peace be with you,
-Davide

[fashionably_lonely]

people who touch themselves before they become AWARE of "Sex" don't know anything about it other than it's an enjoyable feeling. Just like hot baths, chocolate, backrubs, and so on. I do NOT believe God is disgusted, offended, or grieved by a natural act of masturbation.

[Carrye]

Masturbation is inherently disordered and not part of God's natural law or plan for our lives, and as such, it must be rooted out of our habit so as to avoid falling into the downward spiral.
And this is really the bottom line. It is disordered, and none of God's Creation is to be that way ... that's what we call sin. Think about other examples. What are some sins? Every one will come down to a deviation from the way God created one thing or another to be.

[PaladinGirl]

peace be with you holly.
And peace be with you as well.

I would just like to address a few things here....

First, you are a woman, and as a woman, you do not understand the plight men have to deal with regarding sexual immorality. You must realize that what you say on these boards could easily be used to rationalize sexual addiction.
You don't think women deal with sexual issues as well?

Yes, Jesus drank wine in moderation so as not to lead to drunkardness. But can you honestly tell me that Jesus masturbated in moderation? Can you honestly look me in face and tell me that if Jesus was standing right beside you while you were masturbating, you would continue to masturbate?
Honestly, I have no idea if Jesus masturbated or not. I don't tend to think of Jesus in that way. Um, if Jesus was standing right next to someone while they were masturbating, I don't think they would continue. But it wouldn't be because they were ashamed. Most people would prefer to have privacy during such an act as that. Besides, it'd just be awkward to have anyone with you besides your boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, or wife.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit see all that we do. And when we continue in our vices and sins, we continue to crucify Jesus in them, every day of our lives.
And who says that masturbation is a sin? I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says masturbation is a sin. It is a gray area if you will.

You say it is ok to give in to our sexual impulses, but if we did so then we would be no different than annimals because that is exactly what they do. God gave us the ability to deny our impulses, and this is what seaprates us from the animal kingdom. He expects us to use our will instead of being a complacent doormat and give in to every whim of our fleshly desires.
Yes, that is what I said but you misinterpreted me. I didn't mean that it is ok to give in to your sexual impulses without restraint. You should exercise restraint and control in all things. There is a time to do things and a time not to do things. Our ability to control our sexual desires is what differentiates us from animals.

Masturbation is inherently disordered and not part of God's natural law or plan for our lives, and as such, it must be rooted out of our habit so as to avoid falling into the downward spiral.
And how would you know this? Did God tell you so in a dream or something? I highly doubt it. You are not God and therefore you cannot know if masturbation is a part of God's natural law or plan for our lives. Stop putting words in my God's mouth!

Anyway, I kind of went off on a tangent again, so please don't take all this as directed to you.
Don't worry and don't take what I said too harshly either. I tend to sound harsh when engaging in debates even if I do not intend to be harsh. :P

[mobertmacbeth]

So I said "Ok, you're wrong". Was definitely tongue in cheek, but I keep forgetting people here don't seem to have much of a sense of humor.

However, he said "one cannot.....".... well, I guess the authority would be that This >One< can, without having lustful and immoral mental images. I'm sure others can and do too.

In any case, of all the things that can be legislated and controlled, playing with oneself is definitely one thing that can not.

I really don't care what people say about this subject... that's their problem, or not, but definitely their choice.
I did notice that you didn't answer the question of "on whose authority do you say that soemthing is right or worng?" You did say that you are the one who has authority to say whether or not YOU think immorally while masterbating....I have another question for you: where do your beliefs lie? What is it that you believe in?

There seems to be some hostility from you towards those answering this question with written scriptures...Many call that proof....Someone asked a question, and those answering them biblically are answering them with evidence written years ago...One may say, "Well, times have changed." Why yes, yes they have, but what are the two things that remain unchanging? God and the Bible....So, rather than go by what a constantly changing world (or unstable world) sees as right and good, it's seems to make much more sense to go by something that is secure and NEVER changes it's story....Nobody wants to fight, or get hostile, but we do want to do the will of God, and to do that, we have to be pure...I think tht we should all again take a look at those scrptures:

MQTA: ...The bible says that if you cause one of His (God) followersm to sin it is worse than sinning yourself... anyway mastubation IS A SIN because: "FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD , YOUR SANCTIFICATION:THAT YOU SHOULD ABSTAIN FROM SEXUAL IMMORALITY" 1Thessalonians 4:3 ABSTAIN means to "keep yourself from doing something" Jesus says in Matthew 5 that if u look at a woman with lust in your heart its adultery, so if just by looking at a woman sexually, you sin, how can u masturbate with no sin? is it still not sexually satisfying your body?"OR DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOUR BODY IS A TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS IN YOU,WHOM YOU HAVE FROM GOD,AND YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN?" 1Corinthians6:19 The Lord is always with you, and u say He can watch if He wants, like you have no idea what an insult it is for God to look at something He loves sooo much and see it in sin. Some may argue that you donot need sexual thoughts, however the bible says in 2Timothy 2:22, "FLEE ALSO YOUTHFUL LUSTS; BUT PURSUE RIGHTEOUSNESS, FAITH, LOVE,PEACE WITH ALL THOSE WHO CALL ON THE LORD OUT OF A PURE HEART" youthful lusts... sexual imorality, if you cant control it heres one for you- "SO THAT SATAN DOES NOT TEMPT YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF SELF CONTROL" 1Corinthians7:5b God cannot tempt you with evil, for there is no unrighteousness within Him "THEREFORE YOU SHALL BE PERFECT JUST AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS ALSO PERFECT" Matthew 5:48 so therefore if you cannot control not masturbating even wiothout having lustful thougths it is from satan. John 10:10 says "THE THEIF COMES ONLY TO STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY..". God is ultimately in every way perfect, satan is ultimately in every way evil. From the start the devil has contradicted every single thing God ever said, right from the Garden of Eden God said: "BUT OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEGDE OF GOOD AND EVIL YOU SHALL NOT EAT, FOR IN THAT DAY THAT YOU SHALL EAT, YOU SHALL SURELY DIE" Genesis2:17
Satan says "THEN THE SERPENT SAID TO THE WOMAN 'YOU WILL SURELY NOT DIE' " And one final verse to finish "AND THEIR IS NO CREATURE HIDDEN FROM HIS SIGHT, BUT ALL THESE THINGS ARE NAKED AND OPEN TO THE EYES OF HIM TO WHOM WE MUST GIVE AN ACCOUNT" Hebrews 4:13. if you want to disobey the word of God and ignore the Lord, then you are in line to be judged guilty before the Lords Holy angels. "FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD"
Man u need Jesus, we all do "FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD"Romans 3:23, Jesus said, "I TELL YOU NO, UNLESS YOU REPENT YOU WILL LIKE WISE PERISH" u need Him, to come into ure heart and confess before the father that you are His, "FOR YOU ARE CHRISTS AND CHRISTS IS GODS" 1Corinthians 3:23 but you must first recieve and confess Him before man "THEREFORE WHOEVER CONFESSES ME BEFORE MEN, HIM I WILL CONFESS BEFORE MY FATHER WHO IS I HEAVEN. BUT WHOEVER DENYS ME BEFORE MEN, I WILL DENY BEFORE MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN" Mathew 10:32.


I agree with her wholeheartedly, and just because a man or woman feels guilty if he or she masterbates does not mean that he or she is not comfortable with themself in some way - it may mean that he or she has soemthing to feel guilty about....The Holy Spirit is our guide, and our better judgement....If a Christian, sprit-filled (that's HOLY SPIRIT filled) man or woman feels guilty about masterbating, it is because he or she has the Holy Spirit to let him or her know that it is wrong...Men and women alike who are not Christians and have never known the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ do not feel guilty because they do not have the Holy Spirit....It's a matter of where your better judgement lies....Christian men and women tend to feel guilty, non-Christian do not for the reasons specified above....If you're a Christian man or woman, and you do not feel guilty, maybe you should take a closer look at your walk with Christ. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." PHIL. 4:13

When Jesus comes back, He will be looking for a pure and spotless bride, and the way to be pure and spotless can be found in the quoted scriptures above...This is also a matter of how important God is to you, and how important it is to be in everlasting life with Jesus when you pass....I would much rather be with Christ than in eternal damnation with satan...John 10:10....And to be with Chirst, we have to do all that He has called us to do....After all, look at all He has done for us....He died for us on that cross so that we could have forgiveness from our sins....NOT so that we could sin and sin and sin without guilt, remorse, or repentance, and then expect to get into Heaven...Watch "The Passion of Christ," and understand what He went through for you, and all He asks in return is that you be pure....There aren't very many people on this earth who would go through what He went through for us...

Also, if masterbation has such a control over a person that they can't stop, then that's somehting they need to seek help on.....And, if someone reasons that they masterbate because it's a good way to pleasure themselves, they may need to ask the question, "Why do I need to pleasure myself?" God gave us sex to recieve that kind of pleasure - sex between a married man and woman, that is - so I ask, why would someone opt for a quick, sloppy, pleasure for themself, when they could have the greatest pleasure - SO MUCH GREATER THAN MASTERBATION - with another person (and this "greater pleasure" comes when it happens with the one you'll be with for the rest of your life.)

Think abotu that.....I'll be praying for you.....

[mobertmacbeth]

This is not true. Masturbation does not lead to impotence. I did a google search and found nothing about masturbation causing impotence. Not on menstuff, not on globalfamilydoctor, not on webmd, not anywhere.

I also did a search on google for masturbation and prostate cancer, and I found that there was a study recently that showed that regular masturbation well decrease your chances for developing prostate cancer


Since Im under 15 posts I cannot put exact links on yet otherwise I would.


So either do a search on google for "masturbation and prostate cancer" there is stuff on globalfamilydoctor website and on menstuff website.


they say that ejaculation is negatively associated with prostate cancer, which means in laymens terms that the more you masturbate the less likely you are to develop prostate cancer.
You also have to look at what causes cancer, or raises the risks....There are so many products and actions that can cause so many kinds of cancer...If a shampoo has cancer causing agents in it, it doesn't mean that everyone who uses that shampoo is going to get cancer.....Eating certain fruits and vegetables, nutrients, minerals, and vitamins can also lower your risk of cancer, but that doesn't mean that everyone who takes these things are going to be exempt fro getting cancer....

[mobertmacbeth]

I think that verse refers to the Church. It makes more sense in that context.
It is referring to each individual body...For one, look at the verse right above it

1 Corin. 6:18 "Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body."

1 Corin. 6:19 "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own."

1 Corin. 6:20 "For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's."

Paul is writing to the church in Corinth, and he is addressing the bodies of individuals, and actually, it is directly addressing sexual immorality....

[mobertmacbeth]

oh my. well you can argue that the word "masturbation" isnt in the bible-- there are also alot of other words taht arent in the bible "pornography", "molestation" the list goes on, but does that make those things any less wrong? - it's not about how far close to the edge we can get, but how high our goal of holiness is. i'm not saying anyone is perfect, we all have our temptations and downfalls, but it is the ones who fight the temptations of the flesh who will gain the spiritual benefits. even Jesus had temptations... but he quoted the word and stood his ground. i think we should aim for that same kind of holiness.
AMEN

[mobertmacbeth]

o, and if its a sin to look at a really pretty girl (not talking about masturbation here) then how do u know who you like? If it is a sin to look at your b/f or g/f and to say that they are very pretty, beautifull, or to look at someone that you want to ask out, then making every bodly look different would really have been pointless right? now im not trying to offend in any way, i just want to get the facts straghit.
Just lookign at a pretty girl is different than lusting after them...That is where teh difference is .....Hope that helps...:)

[mobertmacbeth]

I think we need to get over this idea that God doesn't intend for us to have pleasure..