What are the main issues that concern a fundy?

[TasManOfGod]

Here is a list
It begins with some I think are up there and perhaps will be modified as you make comments
Issues where fundamentalists see a breakdown of God's Word
Abortion
Divorce
Adultary/fornication
Homosexuality
Tattoos / Body piercing
Witchcraft in children's TV and books

[Oblio]

I think the last two are examples of Tilting at Windmills.
I do agree that many Protestant Fundamentalists focus, on them. IMO, their energies should be focused elsewhere.

[BarbB]

Where, Oblio? The list does seem incomplete to me, but I've not had my breakfast yet! :D

Gee, the freedom of having this forum has rendered me speechless! :eek:

[tulc]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)

[BarbB]

Good point tulc. In my town in Florida, the churches serve a hot lunch for free to anyone who shows up. Those who can contribute do and those who can't, don't! Good food and fellowship for all. It's such a blessing to the homeless and poor, as well as those souls who lead lonely lives. One of the advantages of being in a small town!

[tulc]

One of the advantages of being in a small town!
True and one of the blessings we can still do in a big town! ;)
tulc(living in Chicago where the need is the same! :wave: Hi newlamb!)

[HumbleMan]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Neenie]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)

Amen tulc! :)

[TasManOfGod]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)Perhaps we could sum all that up in the clause "Being Christ -like" That way we could include other aspects as well ie: fervant prayer, fasting, healing the sick, casting out devils.
Do you all agree that it be added this way?

[tulc]

this space for rent ;)
tulc( :cool: )

[Victorian Rose]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)
Awesome point! That is the most important thing. IMHO :)

[didaskalos]

Here is a list
It begins with some I think are up there and perhaps will be modified as you make comments
Issues where fundamentalists see a breakdown of God's Word
Abortion
Divorce
Adultary/fornication
Homosexuality
Tattoos / Body piercing
Witchcraft in children's TV and books
You forgot hair, proper dress, jewelry.... your basic "shame facedness" approach.

[didaskalos]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)It is because nobody every go kicked out of a church for not doing these things.

[TwinCrier]

I don't think that list represents what is important to us fundies, but those are the things the world has the biggest exception to.

[Shane Roach]

When I read the question, what I see is that these are the biggest issues where fundametnalists see a breakdown of God's Word. You don't see a lot of people out arguing that it's actually a bad thing to help the widows and orphans. I think the reason these sorts of things don't get as much attention is because they are not things that anyone has a problem with. It is also clear to me that, though many like to throw accusations that the church doesn't do enough of these and concentrates too much on the others, that in fact about the only place you see anyone caring for widows and orphans and those who are imprisoned is IN the CHURCH. So I do not feel the church is doing that bad a job on these things. I have seen individual churches where the emphasis may change, so that for example one church may concentrate a lot of energy on foreign missions and not have much in the way of outreach, but then you will turn around and have an inner city church where there is almost no emphasis on foreign missions and almost all outreach. And everything in between.

Within the church itself though, I think a breakdown in the understanding of church discipline is the most eroded portion of the Word of God. The pendulum has swung in some places from being exclusive in an un-Godly manner to being libertine and refusing to acknowledge authority. Probably there are churches at both extremes, but the majority that have a problem on one of those two fronts seem to me to be too libertine rather than too exclusive anymore. This is just my personal experience.

[Shane Roach]

It is because nobody every go kicked out of a church for not doing these things.
Interestingly, it seems I labor in vain to find a scripture that says anyone should be thrown out for not doing these things. There are, however, specific scriptures that address things like sexual immorality. A poor person, for example, might have a hard time participating in such outreaches, and how could one expect a needy widow to also be participating when she herself is the one in need.

I don't see the point of placing burdens on people that don't exist. Different people are called to different service, and all have different gifts. These things are good deeds, but there are many, many ways to do good things for the Lord, and not participating in specific ones is not a reason to toss someone out of the church, or even question whether they present a discipline problem within the church.

[BarbB]

Hey, Shane - glad you're here! :hug:

[Shane Roach]

Hey, Shane - glad you're here! :hug:
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_200.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) Hi you! Can ya believe it?

[BarbB]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_200.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) Hi you! Can ya believe it?

God is good all the time!

I don't think we are bashing enough, do you? I think that lurkers will be surprised at what they read in this forum! :clap:

[tulc]

Interestingly, it seems I labor in vain to find a scripture that says anyone should be thrown out for not doing these things.
Well, not to nit pick (Lord knows I have more then my fair share of nits! :eek: )
Matthew 25: 31-46 (KJV)
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (I love Bible Gateway!)
True it's the Lord who does the separating so I guess your point about not getting kicked out of Church for failing to do these things is true, but these things do seem important to the Lord. Just a thought. :)
tulc(who oddly enough does own a nit comb!)

[Shane Roach]

Well, not to nit pick (Lord knows I have more then my fair share of nits! :eek: )
Matthew 25: 31-46 (KJV)
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (I love Bible Gateway!)
True it's the Lord who does the separating so I guess your point about not getting kicked out of Church for failing to do these things is true, but these things do seem important to the Lord. Just a thought. :)
tulc(who oddly enough does own a nit comb!)
I think I made it clear that I am not arguing against doing these things. I am saying that on the subject of things being taught that are against the Bible, which is what I understood the thread to be about according to how the original post was worded concerning seeing a "breakdown", that there is no breakdown in the teaching that people should do good things.

When people go to point out that something is against the Bible, they should not have to deal with accusations that they are not doing other things. Most Christians, and especially fundamentalist Christians, that I know personally are supporters of helps ministries.

I'm not trying to accuse you of whapping people on the noggin with the Bible, I am just trying to make it clear what I think the difference is between what was brought up as a concern and what your response was. :) Obviously ministries involving helping people are important, but they aren't exactly under attack either.

[tulc]

Post no bills!
tulc

[ridesawhitehorse]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)
:clap: :clap: :clap: Bravo.

[Marissa]

What concerns me isn't specifically anything listed in this thread, but rather what leads to the increase in the immoral behaviour and the lack of the moral behaviour mentioned. We live is Godless hostile pagen world. That is what leads to abortion, homosexuality, witchcraft, divorce, abuse of the elderly, deserting the sick etc. etc. So that's what I care about. The core of the problem, not the consequences.

If we get out countries to the Lord and encourage eachother to grow in the Lord those issues will take care of themselves. Without doing that even if we do succeed in turning the behaviour of countries around they'll be nothing but white washed tombs and that's not good enough.

[praying]

Tattoos / Body piercing ??? How so?

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

It was apparently very important to the OP and not very important to the rest of the posters in this forum. Just one of those flukes.

[alaurie]

Would these be somethings to add to the list? Helping widows and orphans, housing the homeless, visiting those in prison and shut-ins, helping neighbors, helping the sick and dieing. Loving the unloved.
tulc(always wondered why those never seem to make the top of the lists of things the Church should be doing more of.)

tulc (in his wondering why) is a very wise man :)

[alaurie]

Galations 5

19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, your lives will produce these evil results: sexual immorality, impure thoughts, eagerness for lustful pleasure, 20 idolatry, participation in demonic activities, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, divisions, the feeling that everyone is wrong except those in your own little group, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other kinds of sin. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
22 But when the Holy Spirit controls our lives, he will produce this kind of fruit in us: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Here there is no conflict with the law.
24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 If we are living now by the Holy Spirit, let us follow the Holy Spirit's leading in every part of our lives. 26 Let us not become conceited, or irritate one another, or be jealous of one another.

NLT

:sigh: The bolded portions aren't on a lot of Christian lists regarding a breakdown of God's word, fundie or not.