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overnight
9th May 2004, 04:25 AM
I know what most people outside the wesleyan movment think of women pastors but I thought I would run a poll here to see what we think. Should women be pastors? Don't just say yes or no lets hear some thoughts.

dsdumpling
9th May 2004, 08:19 AM
I voted no so please don't flame me. This is my feeling and my belief. I'm not comfortable with a woman minister. I don't feel she's strong enough emotionally for the job. We women tend to take emotional matters at heart. Men can stand at arms length with emotional matters. As far as other positions in the church, yes, women can and do handle them well. I am the Superintendent for my Sunday school, I also teach Adult Sunday school at times. We have women who are chairs on our boards. I feel this all is fine but I believe the ministering should be left to the men.

tesnusxenos
9th May 2004, 08:43 AM
What is the definition of "pastor"?
1. A Christian minister or priest having spiritual charge over a congregation or other group.
2. A layperson having spiritual charge over a person or group.
3. A shepherd

I personally do not think a woman should have "spiritual charge" over a group but that is not to say that she shouldn't give the message (sermon).

People talk about :
1 Corinthians 14
29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
34As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. (NIV)

When is you look closely at what they are talking about in this verse you may come to realize that Paul is speaking about orderly worship and the interputing of toungues.
Earlier Paul tells us:
1 Corinthians 11
5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just as though her head were shaved.(NIV)

so we know that Paul is comfortable with women speaking in church and did not completly outlaw it.

Piano Player
10th May 2004, 05:46 AM
Yes! I know some great women Methodist Ministers. The minister of my father's church has a circuit of three churches. Her sermons are inspired, and her support for my father after his stroke was so much appreciated. Every minister will have strengths and weaknesses. We should concentrate on them instead of gender.

Celticflower
10th May 2004, 10:39 AM
I have only known 2 women who were pastors, one was good, the other just starting out. But if God calls them who are we to judge? Since I have not had much experience in this area, I voted "undecided".

Celtie

Joshua Howard
10th May 2004, 03:59 PM
The Bible clearly says that women should not userp authority over a man (A), and also that they should not prophesy in the Church. It may also be of worth to realize that as of old, the term 'Prophesy' referred to preaching. I stand firmly against women as preachers.

wonder111
10th May 2004, 04:49 PM
I wonder if you are going to get only methodists voting on here though

La Bonita Zorilla
10th May 2004, 07:08 PM
I voted yes. I believe there is no reason whatsoever to limit women's options to serve in whatever capacity they choose.

elanor
10th May 2004, 08:47 PM
My pastor is a woman. She is strong in her faith; speaks the truth even in the middle of challenge; honors the Lord by her witness; pours out her time, strength, and heart in service to our congregation; and inspires us always to follow God. She is beloved by the people in our church--men, women, and children.

I also believe that it is God who gives the gifts. If he gifts a woman as a pastor, who am I to say she should not fill that role?

I voted yes. :)

Edit: I'm in the UMC, by the way.

Lady_Firehawk
11th May 2004, 01:47 AM
The Bible clearly says that women should not userp authority over a man (A), and also that they should not prophesy in the Church. It may also be of worth to realize that as of old, the term 'Prophesy' referred to preaching. I stand firmly against women as preachers.

I second that.

overnight
11th May 2004, 02:14 AM
Now that a few have responded I want to say a few words. I have a female pastor and she is great. To the one person who said something about women being emotional inferior shame shame. My pastor is a seasoned veterian and she can distanse herself from the hardships of being a pastor great. She has been a great rolemodel for me and a great mentor.

Secound I am glad that a few non-meathodists have said some things in here. I noticed however, they are quting scripture alone. Let us not get legalistic in our Chirstianity please. If you want to look deeply the Bible says that women should wear viels over thier head while in church. Very often we want to pick and choose scriptures that we want to beilieve only what makes us comfortable. We read how women should stay quite in church in one passage by Paul but tend to ignore where Paul put Poebe (roman 16:1) as Deaconess (NKJ) in Cenchrea. I know deacon is not same as pastor but here Paul the same man who says a woman should be silent in church puts a woman in charge. I think the most improtant thing to remeber here is "Who are we to question someones call" Judge not...
Good discusion I hope to hear from more Wesleians out there.

Piano Player
11th May 2004, 02:26 PM
We read how women should stay quite in church in one passage by Paul but tend to ignore where Paul put Poebe (roman 16:1) as Deaconess (NKJ) in Cenchrea. I know deacon is not same as pastor but here Paul the same man who says a woman should be silent in church puts a woman in charge. I think the most improtant thing to remeber here is "Who are we to question someones call" Judge not...
Good discusion I hope to hear from more Wesleians out there.Paul uses the same Greek word to describe Phoebe that he used to describe himself in relation to the church. Many believe that the word to describe Phoebe should have been minister, but early translators of the Bible refused to consider this possibility. Similarly, in Romans 16:7 Paul describes Junia (female) as a recognized apostle at that time. Again, many translators shamelessly added an s (Junias) in an attempt to turn her into a male.

1 Timothy does not have the same provenance as Romans. It differs enough in language structure, theological content, and focus as to raise questions about its authorship. Many Biblical scholars do not believe it was written by Paul at all. Some believe it was written 50 to 80 years after his death to try to authoritativly resolve early church disputes. Among the motives attributed to the writer is the motive to reverse the acceptance of women in the ministry by both Jesus and Paul. As you will recall, the first human Jesus asked to witness about his resurrection was a woman. This was extraordinary at the time since women were not considered competent to witness anything.


For a more in depth discussion see http://www.religioustolerance.org/ord_bibl.htm

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those who are sent to you! How often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you would have none of it!" Matthew 23:37 Luke 13:34 (Please note Christ does not compare himself to a rooster)

Before we reject a woman who considers herself called to minister, make sure we do not reject someone sent by God.

WesleyJohn
11th May 2004, 02:41 PM
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La Bonita Zorilla
12th May 2004, 02:24 AM
Wesleyjohn, are Nazarenes considered Weslayan?

WesleyJohn
12th May 2004, 08:03 AM
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wvmtnkid
12th May 2004, 09:10 AM
I have never had a woman for a pastor, but I have had the pleasure of hearing some women speak, who were pastors. I had no doubt that they were called by God to do what they were doing. If God had given them that gift, wouldn't we be sinning by not allowing them to use the gifts that He had bestowed upon them?

Sign Of The Fish Burger
12th May 2004, 04:44 PM
Good discusion I hope to hear from more Wesleians out there.Well... seeings how I am Wesleyan,I might as well pipe up in this one.

This is a subject that I hold very dear to my heart, as thats what I will be studying to be in teh fall. I have strongly felt the Lord calling me to ministry, and so I am following the Lords call.

Now saying that, before I even considerd doing so, I sat down with the Sr Pastor at our church (Dr. Buckingham) whom I respect more then anyother person in ministry, adn asked him not only what HE thought about female pastors, but what our denomination feels about female pastors.
He explained to me that the Wesylan denomination is all for it. He encourages me in my call and has given me his blessing. And that is a HUGE compliment.

Anyways, I am on my way to work, but I will certainly be back to post more. I too would like to hear more points of view from Wesleyans.

overnight
12th May 2004, 11:02 PM
This is a subject that I hold very dear to my heart, as thats what I will be studying to be in teh fall. I have strongly felt the Lord calling me to ministry, and so I am following the Lords call.

Now saying that, before I even considerd doing so, I sat down with the Sr Pastor at our church (Dr. Buckingham) whom I respect more then anyother person in ministry, adn asked him not only what HE thought about female pastors, but what our denomination feels about female pastors.
He explained to me that the Wesylan denomination is all for it. He encourages me in my call and has given me his blessing. And that is a HUGE compliment.
You go. :clap: I hope all here will pray for you as you search out Gd's call on your life. I know I will be praying for you. I also hope you will do the same for me as I am seeking this same call.

La Bonita Zorilla
13th May 2004, 02:36 AM
are Nazarenes considered Weslayan?
Absolutely! :D
I was told by someone who is a Nazarene that they are very similar to Southern Baptist except they do not believe in 'once saved, always saved'.

In his book James Dobson's War on America Gil Alexander-Mogerle, a former top aide to Dobson, includes a chapter called "A Peculiar People" where he addrsses Dobson's belief that he himself is completely free from sin, and he states he believes Dobson arrived at this from his Nazarene traditions.

It does not, considering if those two items if accurate, appear to have much in common with the UMC.

overnight
13th May 2004, 02:52 AM
Wesleyjohn, are Nazarenes considered Weslayan?http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Nazaren.html
This site should answer that question.

WesleyJohn
13th May 2004, 08:52 AM
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Sign Of The Fish Burger
13th May 2004, 12:04 PM
You go. :clap: I hope all here will pray for you as you search out Gd's call on your life. I know I will be praying for you. I also hope you will do the same for me as I am seeking this same call.Wow... thank you very much. I really appreciate it. :hug:

ChiRho
13th May 2004, 01:12 PM
WesleyJohn With all due respect, I never suggested that Nazarenes were similar to the UMC. I said that we were Wesleyan.

There are many who have felt that branches of Methodism have drifted from their Wesleyan roots. That's precisely why the Church of the Nazarene exists. It began as renewal movements to restore the Doctrine of Holiness within the Methodist movement. Ultimately, the founder of the CotN was relieved of his responsibilities within the Methodist-Episcopal church because he was preaching an authentic Wesleyan message about Entire Sanctification and living without sin.


Could you elaborate upon this statement?

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

WesleyJohn
13th May 2004, 01:53 PM
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BjBarnett
13th May 2004, 02:00 PM
well i vote no because of the scripture that someone else quoted in this thread. i dunno if i should say anything in this thread or not for fear of a moderator lol :) but thats my vote.

wonder111
13th May 2004, 02:30 PM
hi Ben you can definitely post here I always post in the Catholic forum, it's just that the OP wanted a poll based on the methodists opinion :)

HumbleMan
13th May 2004, 03:06 PM
I hope y'all don't mind a funnymentalist charismatic (Church of God) to jump in. I voted no, not because I don't believe they can't spread the word, but because of scripture. I've been blessed many times by female preachers. But there is a difference between preaching and shepharding.

La Bonita Zorilla
13th May 2004, 08:36 PM
There are many who have felt that branches of Methodism have drifted from their Wesleyan roots
No doubt, but many of us in the liberal wing of the UMC beleive we are closer to Wesley's vision through inclusiveness of the dispossessed than those who choose fundamentalism and similar tangents.

In any case, Dobson's position is pretty authentic to Wesley, who believed and preached that the Holy Spirit desired to make believers holy and pure, sanctified and free from sin.
Well, in the rest of the book, Alexander-Mogerle gave ample evidence Dobson himself is far from being free from sin. Not to put down anyone else's doctrine but while as you state it it's reasonable but as Dobson sought to apply it is indicated smugness and hubris. If you wish to start a thread on the topic, by all means, do so.

overnight
14th May 2004, 02:39 AM
my original intent was for Wesleayans to vote but anyone was welcome to comment. Oh well at least it is getting good discussion going.

suzie
17th May 2004, 12:37 PM
Well, I will post even though I am not Wesleyan, I am currently attending a UMC, although we havent joined yet (which is a thread in itself...lol) however, I firmly believe women are called and gifted as pastors, leaders, and whatever else God desires for them to be. While some hold fast to certain verses without coming to understand what context those were being written, why, Greek meaning, etc, they forgo others which tell us that we are all the body of Christ and each one a part of it, then showing us all the ministries within this body, apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, healers, helpers, administration, tongues, and ends with telling us to desire the greater gifts. These are not gender authorized, but as God sees fit. We see this in Ephesians 4 and again in 1 Corinthians 12. There is neither slave nor free; woman nor man; greek nor jew--all are one in Christ. We are a priesthood of believers.

overnight
18th May 2004, 12:11 AM
:amen: suzie

You hit it right on the nose. The problem mostly boils down to we foget that CHhrist tought love and acceptance not judfment and ridicul. TO accept each other and whatever call puts on their life is the greatest thing we can do.

wvmtnkid
18th May 2004, 09:08 AM
I thought I would throw this little tidbit of information in. Our confirmation class visited the local Jewish synagogue this past Friday evening to take part in their Sabbath service. To my surprise, they had a female rabbi. She was wonderful! I had been in this synagogue perhaps about 12-13 years ago. The service had a totally different feel to it. It was more open, more joyous. Afterwards I was talking to one of the male members and unfortunately, they were going to lose this female rabbi because she was a student and was getting ready to move on to the next part of her training. He told me though that he hoped they would be blessed with another female rabbi. He said that the children and youth of the synagogue and females had taken so well to her that it had opened up new ways for them that they just hadn't been able to imagine before.

I just found that really interesting.

ceedaisy
20th May 2004, 11:57 PM
I have voted yes. I would never ever want someone who feels called to preach the Word and spread the message to be squashed. While in times when the Bible was written, woman were to be seen and not heard that is not so true today. Also Paul, I don't think, mingled much with the ladies, and was against marriage. He condoned it if it kept you from sinning. Also he said that this was something that worked for HIM and is not for everyone. He also spoke about woman not speaking out in Church, but as I was told, he WAS writing to a particular Church where they were speaking out and making a rucous (my words). I'm not quoting anything exact here, just an overall view. Now basically we need to look at what Jesus would want. The Bible is not God. Jesus would not keep ANYONE from preaching his word. As long has they aren't hypocritical (such as a gay lifestyle, criminal, etc). And as someone else said, it is mentioned over and over about Mary Magdelene and other women disciples. They followed Him just like the men did. If a woman hears God calling she should not disobey. I would worry more about making him angry than us humans

zachflash
6th June 2004, 12:35 AM
I voted not sure. Throughout my conscious thought of life, I've always had female pastors at my church. But now, after reading the Bible, it's getting a lot more confusing about how I should stand on this issue.

1 Timothy 2:12-15
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint."

Now, I've talked to my female Sunday School teacher about this a long time ago and she said it has to do with the society at that time. Women were uneducated and had problems with gossiping. Maybe Paul is "recommending" not commanding this to be this way, because it may be easier for a woman to not have self-restraint. The quote about Adam and Eve, however, may make this everybody, not just for a community. So that confuses me.

Perhaps, the roles of men and women are different to serve Christ, but of equal importance. Men were made to be more aggressive then women and obtain the role of leadership for a community.

There have been prophetesses in the Bible, however, and Jesus is criticized by his disciples for telling the Samaritan woman out at the well to go out into the city to talk about Him. But perhaps, this is a different story with a church. If you read further through 1 Timothy, Paul describes how the deacon should have one wife, manage his household well, etc. So, that might be in order to be a good example for the community to follow.


I'm just really confused. I am a teenager and I go with my family to church, so it is not like I can abandon them to go to a church with a male preacher. My question to those who have answered no, is it a sin to listen to a female preacher, since I may be in conflict with the roles of men and women that God has established? Should I go to a different church? Thank you.

bloodofthelamb12
6th June 2004, 09:00 PM
Yes-16
No-15
Not Sure-2
Undetermined-5

[edit]

...Perhaps now would be a good time to quote God? (see 2 Timothy 3:16)
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve." 1Ti 2:12-13
Think this is a sexist perspective? Paul said it, not me. And Paul was talkin for somebody much bigger than either me or him. And guys, just because 2000 years have passed doesn't mean the Word of God is any less applicable.

"Unto the woman he (God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Gen 3:16

As it was Adam's curse to toil in the dirt that he might eat, so to was it Eve's curse to be subservient to her husband. Simply because society says you don't have to be subservient to your husband does NOT negate the command of God. For as it was written,

"For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Rom 3:3-4

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zachflash
6th June 2004, 10:57 PM
What do you suggest that I do, bloodofthelamb12? I go to a church as a teenager with my family that has a female pastor. I don't think they would go to a different one, since I believe my mom thinks that Biblical statement only relates to the society at that time and that my mom has friends at this church. I know that they are going against this biblical teaching by Paul, but I am concerned if I would do more harm than good by not going to this church anymore, as in breaking apart the body of Christ and not helping out others in my Sunday School class, not being a Vacation Bible school helper anymore, causing a fissure in my family, etc. What exactly are the repercussions of having a female pastor, two of whom that I have had throughout my conscious being?

Thank you.

wvmtnkid
6th June 2004, 11:38 PM
Just stepping in with a little Mod reminder here. This is the Wesleyan forum. While we welcome all of our brothers and sisters from other denominations to come in and fellowship with us, this is not the place for debate with those outside of the Wesleyan tradition. If you have questions, fine. If the answers put forth don't jive with you or you don't doctrinally agree with them, just keep in mind this is the Wesleyan forum.

Thanks! :)

Amandine
7th June 2004, 11:16 PM
Women pastors sure, women priests no.

There is a difference in the two vocations. :)

As for the early church, there were many influential women.
-Catherine

Flipper
8th June 2004, 02:09 PM
Hi. :) We've been having our own discussion in the Lutheran forum on the same subject. Thought you might be interested to see what we've come up with: http://www.christianforums.com/t694278

CryptoKnight
15th June 2004, 05:40 PM
I have no problem with a woman pastor, priest, bishop, or whatever.
Galatians 3 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
Galatians 3 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
Galatians 5 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Galatians 5 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

While most people tend to favor Paul's misogynistic themes, they throw away his excellent discussions on applied grace and active Spirit. His "rules" about whom can teach whom are in response to particular troubles at a particular time. He backs the statements up with some O.T. references, because that was the only written guide they had. He then spends his career trying to abolish the "by the law" crowd and to get people to act in the spirit.

Can a woman be my minister, preacher, priest? Of course, if the fruits of her spirit are love, joy, patience, etc. as above. If she is a "spirit filled person" first, and a woman second, YES. (As opposed to my personal feelings on some homosexual clergy who are homosexuals first, and clergy second, and indeed on ANYone who puts their "ISM" before their ministry.)

God would not deny a woman's calling. While anyone may be called, many are called but should really address certain issues in their life (whether it's homosexuality, porn addiction, or whatever.) A woman cannot "address" her "womanism" since it is undeniably part of her creation. And yet God calls them, and the Spirit fills them.

Church Punk
15th June 2004, 08:10 PM
Yes-16
No-15
Not Sure-2
Undetermined-5

[edit]

...Perhaps now would be a good time to quote God? (see 2 Timothy 3:16)
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve." 1Ti 2:12-13
Think this is a sexist perspective? Paul said it, not me. And Paul was talkin for somebody much bigger than either me or him. And guys, just because 2000 years have passed doesn't mean the Word of God is any less applicable.

"Unto the woman he (God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Gen 3:16

As it was Adam's curse to toil in the dirt that he might eat, so to was it Eve's curse to be subservient to her husband. Simply because society says you don't have to be subservient to your husband does NOT negate the command of God. For as it was written,

"For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Rom 3:3-4

[edit]
THAT IS RIGHT ON!!:clap:

herev
15th June 2004, 11:50 PM
The Bible clearly says that women should not userp authority over a man (A), and also that they should not prophesy in the Church. It may also be of worth to realize that as of old, the term 'Prophesy' referred to preaching. I stand firmly against women as preachers.
when you state that prophesy means preach, you should remember that Philip's daughters were prohesying!

herev
15th June 2004, 11:52 PM
are Nazarenes considered Weslayan?

I was told by someone who is a Nazarene that they are very similar to Southern Baptist except they do not believe in 'once saved, always saved'.

In his book James Dobson's War on America Gil Alexander-Mogerle, a former top aide to Dobson, includes a chapter called "A Peculiar People" where he addrsses Dobson's belief that he himself is completely free from sin, and he states he believes Dobson arrived at this from his Nazarene traditions.

It does not, considering if those two items if accurate, appear to have much in common with the UMC.
Actually, check your Book of Discipline--JOhn Wesley believed that you could achieve perfection in this life. It is STILL TODAY a question asked of EVERY ordained elder, Are you going on to perfection?

herev
15th June 2004, 11:58 PM
I voted not sure. Throughout my conscious thought of life, I've always had female pastors at my church. But now, after reading the Bible, it's getting a lot more confusing about how I should stand on this issue.

1 Timothy 2:12-15
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint."

Now, I've talked to my female Sunday School teacher about this a long time ago and she said it has to do with the society at that time. Women were uneducated and had problems with gossiping. Maybe Paul is "recommending" not commanding this to be this way, because it may be easier for a woman to not have self-restraint. The quote about Adam and Eve, however, may make this everybody, not just for a community. So that confuses me.

Perhaps, the roles of men and women are different to serve Christ, but of equal importance. Men were made to be more aggressive then women and obtain the role of leadership for a community.

There have been prophetesses in the Bible, however, and Jesus is criticized by his disciples for telling the Samaritan woman out at the well to go out into the city to talk about Him. But perhaps, this is a different story with a church. If you read further through 1 Timothy, Paul describes how the deacon should have one wife, manage his household well, etc. So, that might be in order to be a good example for the community to follow.


I'm just really confused. I am a teenager and I go with my family to church, so it is not like I can abandon them to go to a church with a male preacher. My question to those who have answered no, is it a sin to listen to a female preacher, since I may be in conflict with the roles of men and women that God has established? Should I go to a different church? Thank you.
While Paul makes strong statements against women speaking in church, he also praises women for their roles in ministry. I (and this is simply my own belief) see Paul as addressing certain needs to individual churches. Each letter represents what's going on in that church, not the church. I am a pastor in the UMC, married to a pastor in the UMC. I have no greater calling, or gifts than my wife. Jesus consistantly elevated the status of women over and above the culture of the times. Yet he didn't abandon his Jewish roots. Are we too weak to do the same? Can we not recognize that women are called by God without abandoning our Christian heritage?

overnight
16th June 2004, 12:54 AM
I have no problem with a woman pastor, priest, bishop, or whatever.
Galatians 3 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
Galatians 3 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
Galatians 5 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Galatians 5 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

While most people tend to favor Paul's misogynistic themes, they throw away his excellent discussions on applied grace and active Spirit. His "rules" about whom can teach whom are in response to particular troubles at a particular time. He backs the statements up with some O.T. references, because that was the only written guide they had. He then spends his career trying to abolish the "by the law" crowd and to get people to act in the spirit.

Can a woman be my minister, preacher, priest? Of course, if the fruits of her spirit are love, joy, patience, etc. as above. If she is a "spirit filled person" first, and a woman second, YES. (As opposed to my personal feelings on some homosexual clergy who are homosexuals first, and clergy second, and indeed on ANYone who puts their "ISM" before their ministry.)

God would not deny a woman's calling. While anyone may be called, many are called but should really address certain issues in their life (whether it's homosexuality, porn addiction, or whatever.) A woman cannot "address" her "womanism" since it is undeniably part of her creation. And yet God calls them, and the Spirit fills them.Great Job Knight (kkknnigittt;) ) You always see Bible used against women but never so elequently do we see it used to help their cause. Bravo. By the way for all the Bible fundamentalists out there I am so tired of the pick and choose method of Bible reading. If we wanted to keep with scipture we would have church that had elder rule, women would wear viels to church, men and women wouldn't sit together, and we would great each other with a holy kiss. We need to get away from being so leagalistic. Often my pastor says that we need to read the Bible through the lense of Jesus. Meaning that love, kindess, support, and those qualities should be used. Jesus lifted up women and began a movement to get them out of the position they were in. To the people of the time they were less than animals. Let us be like Jesus and support thier calling no matter what. http://www.christianforums.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

christianpunkett916
20th June 2004, 10:14 PM
my friends pastor is a woman. we've had a woman at my church once when my pastor was out of town. believe it or not, im thinking of entering into the youth ministry, and im a woman. i totally support it.

honeylight
22nd June 2004, 12:06 AM
While I would be uncomfortable with a woman pastor preaching...the history of the Nazarene church is replete with woman pastors, many worked in starting pioneer churches. Susanna Wesley was quite the minister, even though she didn't have official "credentials."

happypeppie
22nd June 2004, 02:08 AM
I've never heard a woman pastor preach. I would actually look forward to attending a service where a woman is the preacher. I'm definitly a vote for yes, woman should be allowed to be pastors. I believe that woman should be able to teach about God just as well as a man can.

premilldispensationalist
1st July 2004, 10:14 AM
I voted no so please don't flame me.

Praise the LORD!