North Korea to have an Orthodox Church

[MariaRegina]

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles4/OCMCKorea.shtml

This is a miracle. The leader of North Korea visited Orthodox Churches and is allowing the construction of an Orthodox Church in North Korea. Four seminarians from North Korea are scheduled to be ordained for that new church.

God is working a miracle here.

[Eusebios]

First Cuba and now N. Korea, the Lord truly does work in mysterious ways.
His unworthy servant,
Eusebios.
:bow:

[The Prokeimenon!]

Glory to God!

[Moros]

Great news.

Now let's pray that parishioners who show up to worship don't walk in on a firing squad instead of an Iconostasis!

Brutal commie pigs!

[MariaRegina]

Great news.

Now let's pray that parishioners who show up to worship don't walk in on a firing squad instead of an Iconostasis!

Brutal commie pigs!

Dear Bruns:

Sadly to say, I think this has everything to do with Catholics vs Orthodox. The Russians are very anti-Catholic right now, so are the Chinese Communists. It seems that the Communists are more willing to accept Orthodoxy than Catholicism. Perhaps this is the way God will convert them to Christianity. Either way, God wins, isn't that right?

I hope this isn't a trick.

One saint, I think it was St. John of Kronstadt remarked about the 1917 Revolution. He said that Christians would be persecuted. And warned that the first opening of the Churches would be trick (This was done under Stalin, I think, and yes, it was a trick.) The second opening would be genuine - we are in the time of the second opening of the Orthodox Churches in Russia.

Let us pray.

Yours in Christ our God,
Elizabeth

[Moros]

Another article:

http://www.russian-orthodox-church.org.ru/ne306264.htm

Speaking on the result of their visit, the head of the delegation, Archbishop Clement of Kaluga and Borovsk, the first deputy head of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations, reported some details concerning the construction of the first Orthodox church to be built in North Korea.

The Orthodox church dedicated to the Life-Giving Trinity will be erected on a small hill in one of the new districts of North Korean capital city. The new house of God will be a one-cupola church building designed after the 17th century Russian church architectural pattern. The interior will also be executed in the Russian Orthodox tradition, though the design was made by Korean architects. The construction materials will be local, while the bells will be brought from Russia.

Both Russians and Koreans will finance the construction. Through the efforts of the North Korean authorities, the work to lay down the foundation of the church building has been already completed. However, it will take over a year to complete the entire construction. [..]

Archbishop Clement made a special notice of the fact that among the participants in the laying the foundation of the church of the Life-giving Trinity were North Korean high ranking officials and diplomats from many countries, as well as ordinary people. [..]

Archbishop Clement also emphasized that the construction of the first-ever Russian Orthodox church in North Korea became possible due to the change in the status of the Church in Russia. Attitude to religion has changed in North Korea as well. He referred to a great interest shown precisely in Russian Orthodoxy in that country. [..]

GREAT NEWS!!

[Moros]

Dear Bruns:

Sadly to say, I think this has everything to do with Catholics vs Orthodox. The Russians are very anti-Catholic right now, so are the Chinese Communists. It seems that the Communists are more willing to accept Orthodoxy than Catholicism.

Do you see a problem with this? I sure don't.

[xenia]

It seems that the Communists are more willing to accept Orthodoxy than Catholicism.

Psa 76:10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.

-Xenia

[Eusebios]

Great news.

Brutal commie pigs!
Wow, perhaps a bit strong. How much do you know about the politics and history of Korea? Might I suggest a wee bit of investigation and less polemic?
His unworthy servant,
Eusebios
:bow:

[MariaRegina]

Do you see a problem with this? I sure don't.

If the Russians, North Koreans, and Cubans convert to Christianity through Orthodoxy, then that is great.

If their sole motive is revenge, however, then this is not true repentance.

Then we could have problems as there would be no metanoia, no real change of heart.

Do you see what I mean? When the Roman pagans converted en masse to Orthodoxy at the time of Constantine, the Church had serious problems. Heresies sprang up, people weren't obedient, the priests were overworked (as they are today). We have a massive influx of people coming in with few priests to guide the flock. Some people only see a priest for confession maybe once a year if they are lucky. They may go to the grave holding heretical ideas that they never knew they had because they had no real time to discuss things with their priest.

I have met Greek Orthodox who felt that there was nothing wrong with abortion because they never attended catechism classes and didn't know their faith. They don't even go to confession but receive absolution on Holy Wednesday night. This is probably true in Russia as well.

How many people will go to hell because we don't have enough priests to minister to everyone?

[Orthodox Andrew]

Yes, but in good time they like the Romans you mentioned, will learn true Orthodox Christianity. However, I don't think these nations are going to convert to Orthodoxy, but I hope I'm worng.:)

[Moros]

Wow, perhaps a bit strong. How much do you know about the politics and history of Korea? Might I suggest a wee bit of investigation and less polemic?
His unworthy servant,
Eusebios
:bow:


I'm not calling Koreans themselves communists, im calling the idelogy of communism and the despots and dictators who use it to justify mass slaughter PIGS.

I would assume you agree, being a Christian and all.

[Matthias]

I wouldn't believe a word any communisist country says or has. Except China of course, which is somewhat communist to a certain extent. :)

[Matthias]

Bruncvick; brutal commie pigs is exactly how I would describe North Korean people as well. At least the "government" anyway.

[MariaRegina]

I wouldn't believe a word any communisist country says or has. Except China of course, which is somewhat communist to a certain extent. :)

Matthew,

China has the worst human rights violations of any country. They force women to have abortions and they have killed millions of Christians, including Orthodox Christians. They have not changed their tactics either.

Hopefully the Orthodox Christians in China are having more freedom of worship, but I fear that other Christians are still heavily persecuted.

Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us and save us.

Elizabeth

[Matthias]

China has the worst human rights violations of any country. They force women to have abortions and they have killed millions of Christians, including Orthodox Christians. They have not changed their tactics either.But they make great Chinese food! :clap:

[Rilian]

Hopefully the Orthodox Christians in China are having more freedom of worship, but I fear that other Christians are still heavily persecuted.


I believe what Elizabeth is saying is still the case. There was a small Orthodox community in Harbin which included St. John the Wonderworker. They eventually left and I think most of what the community left behind was destroyed in the Cultural Revolution. I don't know if there's much of an Orthodox presence still in China.

Regarding the thread, I have a feeling the church is going through because Russia is one of the few nations which North Korea still has a semi-friendly relationship with.

[Oblio]

I'm not calling Koreans themselves communists, im calling the idelogy of communism and the despots and dictators who use it to justify mass slaughter PIGS.

I would assume you agree, being a Christian and all.

I find the ideology of communism and means to establish it abhorent and vile.
However, I do not consider the calling of people PIGS to be a Christian virtue.

[Matthias]

I think it was a figure of speech more than anything.