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dragons50
14th January 2008, 12:24 AM
HI, I'm just wondering how someone knows which god is real, since most all religions have holy texts that people of that religion think are the absolute truth, just like baptists believe of the bible. How could anyone know which god is real.:confused:
Canuckmom
14th January 2008, 01:30 AM
Without doubt the God who is the Creator, is seen in human history, has revealed Himself in the Lord Jesus Christ and has given us His Word the Holy Bible.
mlqurgw
14th January 2008, 10:48 AM
HI, I'm just wondering how someone knows which god is real, since most all religions have holy texts that people of that religion think are the absolute truth, just like baptists believe of the bible. How could anyone know which god is real.:confused: The only way a man may know the only true God is for God to reveal Himself in him. Man is so naturally opposed to the One True God that he will imagine for himself a god that fits his idea of who He ought to be rather than simply bowing to who He is. Every false god and every false way will have man doing some thing that appeases his god. The One True God has done all that is necessary Himself, in the person of His dear Son, to reconcile rebellious sinners to Himself without man adding anything to it. Every false god requires that man do something, even the smallest of things, in order to be reconciled. The One True God has given His Son, who is Himself the God/Man, and has left nothing undone and has already reconciled those who are rebels against Him. He even makes that reconciliation to be known in the hearts of those whom He has reconciled. The One True God leaves nothing to be done by the rebel. Every false God rewards man for what he does. The One True God rewards man for what God does for him. Every false god puts man to work. The One True God causes man to rest. Every false god requires that man come to him. The one True God comes to man where he is. Every false god makes promises based on conditions to be met by men. The One True God makes promises based on His own faithfulness and mercy. Every false god leaves man to save himself. The One True God saves without man and then gives that salvation freely.
dragons50
14th January 2008, 01:27 PM
well other religions have holy texts that their gods reveal themselves in also, and no god hasn't ever revealed himself, and mlqur, I don't think you understand other religions such as Islam well enough to say that Allah is so different from yaweh as he is described in the qu'ran so it is unfair to say that the one Christian is real because ofthe giving of his only son. Abraham was said to have started judaisim, Islam, and eventually Christianity. And faiths of the far east developed far out of the realm that the founders of chritianity and even Jesus himself could have even known about. Besides the 3 abrahmic religions, the religions of the world grew without any knowledge of each other, so naturally they would devlop incompatible beliefs. Because of this, I believe that the denominations of chritians that are unnacepting to other worldviews really need to be more accepting of other peoples beliefs
mlqurgw
14th January 2008, 01:47 PM
well other religions have holy texts that their gods reveal themselves in also, and no god hasn't ever revealed himself, and mlqur, I don't think you understand other religions such as Islam well enough to say that Allah is so different from yaweh as he is described in the qu'ran so it is unfair to say that the one Christian is real because ofthe giving of his only son. Abraham was said to have started judaisim, Islam, and eventually Christianity. And faiths of the far east developed far out of the realm that the founders of chritianity and even Jesus himself could have even known about. Besides the 3 abrahmic religions, the religions of the world grew without any knowledge of each other, so naturally they would devlop incompatible beliefs. Because of this, I believe that the denominations of chritians that are unnacepting to other worldviews really need to be more accepting of other peoples beliefsFirst, you haven't the slightest idea of what I may know or not know.
Second, there are only 2 alternatives: one true God or many gods. That there is no god at all isn't an alternative as all men have a god.
Third, if there is only one true God, which of course there is, then it is imperritive that we seek to find Him.
Fourth, tolerance of other religions is nothing less than acceptance. To accept other views of God is to say that there is no absolute truth and that the one true God hasn't revealed Himself.
Last, I will not debate the validity of other religions with you as they have no validity. You asked a question and I answered it.
dragons50
14th January 2008, 07:28 PM
Tolerance and acceptance aren't the same thing at all, you don't have to accept other peoples beliefs as true, but you can't be intolerant, intolerant is:
v.- to allow the existence, presence, practice, or act of without prohibition or hindrance; permit. Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciat
Don't hinder other religions or harass them with missionaries. That is intolerant. That's what I have a problem with, when someone of any faith tries to push their beliefs on me or tell me that my religion has no validity. All must live in peace sin molestacion. Páz para todos!
Project 86
15th January 2008, 10:02 AM
HI, I'm just wondering how someone knows which god is real, since most all religions have holy texts that people of that religion think are the absolute truth, just like baptists believe of the bible. How could anyone know which god is real.:confused:
The Bible was written over a period of 1,400+ years by 40+ authors who were all inspired by God. They were from various parts of the world and historical research has backed up the claims in the Bible. Science also has confirmed many things that the Bible has said such as the Earth being a sphere (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Isa&c=40&v=22&version=NKJV#22), outer space expanding (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Isa&chapter=40&version=NKJV#22) and there being a water cycle (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Ecc&chapter=1&version=NKJV#7). We have very old and numerous manuscripts so that we can know that the Bible we have today is the Bible that was written right after Jesus went from this Earth.
The Koran, Book of Mormon and other religious writings don't even come close to the qualifications that the Bible meets. That all said the Bible won't do you a shred of good unless you become born again (http://www.issuesthatmatter.com/christian.htm). What does that mean? That means you place you trust in Jesus as your Lord and Savior. You'll take on a new nature and be indwelt by the Holy Spirit who will guild you in your life. I have experienced this first hand and that my friend is the ultimate evidence that the God of the Bible is the one true God.
dragons50
17th January 2008, 01:38 AM
my friend, I'm sorry to say, but neither a book nor your personal thoughts are proof of any god, and yes parts of the bible are proven and many are vauge enough that we can assume what they meant, but Christians don't follow the bible word for word, as I presume that you don't stone homosexuals to death or slaughter other cultures that believe in other gods, just as god instructed numerous characters in the old testament, so people simply pick the parts of the bible that are nice and friendly, yet they say they take the bible as literal truth, which is tough because the bible says to love your enemy, but kill those who worship other gods. So then how do we know which parts of the bible are correct and which parts arent? We don't!
And simply that folks believe in god makes god no more likely, if faith was a contention for god then Santa would be real.
Project 86
17th January 2008, 10:06 AM
my friend, I'm sorry to say, but neither a book nor your personal thoughts are proof of any god, and yes parts of the bible are proven and many are vauge enough that we can assume what they meant, but Christians don't follow the bible word for word, as I presume that you don't stone homosexuals to death or slaughter other cultures that believe in other gods, just as god instructed numerous characters in the old testament, so people simply pick the parts of the bible that are nice and friendly, yet they say they take the bible as literal truth, which is tough because the bible says to love your enemy, but kill those who worship other gods. So then how do we know which parts of the bible are correct and which parts arent? We don't!
And simply that folks believe in god makes god no more likely, if faith was a contention for god then Santa would be real.
I take the the entire Bible literal. This is why I don't stone homosexuals. You need to read you Bible again, in it's entirety, and understand the laws and rituals God laid down in the Old Testament and how they now apply to New Testament believers. It is true that the Bible doesn't prove 100% that the God of the Bible is the true God but that was not my argument. I was showing that the Bible isn't just another religious text. That is the point you didn't prove wrong. If the Bible did prove God 100% then faith wouldn't be required. What do you put your faith into?
mlqurgw
17th January 2008, 07:44 PM
I take the the entire Bible literal. This is why I don't stone homosexuals. You need to read you Bible again, in it's entirety, and understand the laws and rituals God laid down in the Old Testament and how they now apply to New Testament believers. It is true that the Bible doesn't prove 100% that the God of the Bible is the true God but that was not my argument. I was showing that the Bible isn't just another religious text. That is the point you didn't prove wrong. If the Bible did prove God 100% then faith wouldn't be required. What do you put your faith into?He is obviously a Troll and the best way to handle a Troll is to ignore them.
dragons50
18th January 2008, 12:00 PM
trolls are stupid, I am simply an inquistive diest who is wondering how baptists can take the bible literally, thats all
dragons50
18th January 2008, 12:02 PM
and thank you project 86, your reponses have been pretty clear and cogent
edb19
18th January 2008, 03:19 PM
Just a gentle reminder - nonBaptists may fellowship and ask questions (which we're happy to answer), however debate by a nonBaptist is not allowed.
So. let's be careful with how questions are asked and
"Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person."
dragons50
19th January 2008, 01:03 AM
I think if we can remain calm and not hostile, I don't see why we can't debate, it's not personal. And by the way whoever reported this thread, thats kind of unnecessary. We are all decent human beings here we don't have to insult or call names or go tattle to the mods. I am not a troll, I'm not looking for a fight. Are we mature enough to handle this? I think we should continue the conversation. Yes? No?
dragons50
19th January 2008, 01:45 AM
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TimRout
2nd March 2008, 09:50 PM
I would argue that the defining mark of authenticity on the Bible is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. All sorts of religious leaders have claimed to teach the truth about God, but Jesus proved Himself authoritative by rising from the dead. There is an extraordinary abundance of documentary evidence supporting the resurrection. This level and quality of evidence is utterly absent from every other religion on earth. I believe, therefore, that the weight of historical evidence supports the Christian assertion that Yahweh is God.
intricatic
18th March 2008, 11:41 PM
HI, I'm just wondering how someone knows which god is real, since most all religions have holy texts that people of that religion think are the absolute truth, just like baptists believe of the bible. How could anyone know which god is real.:confused:
If your premise is correct, that it's impossible to know or discern any distinction between different religious texts, then it's impossible to answer your question because no god is real. At least, outside of the constructs of the human mind.
If there is a God who is real, and He exists in some religion, then that religion will be distinct, and that distinction will be detectable. You've been shown why Christianity is a distinct religion, but if you chose to ignore that, then we cannot help you come to terms with why we disagree with you.
To answer another of your questions: I do not tolerate other religions. This is to mean that I do not personally endorse, respect, or revere any other religion, because all other religions are flatly false. This isn't to say that I do not tolerate the followers of other religions. Toleration of beliefs, and toleration of people are two distinct things. On the civic corner, I believe all people have the right to believe in whatever absurdity they wish - be that the invisible pink unicorn, or the cookie monster - as their religious preference. It doesn't mean I agree with it, respect it, or endorse it, though.
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