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Erwin
8th May 2004, 09:02 AM
Fundamentalist Churches (http://www.christianforums.com/f370)
The forum for fundamentalist churches of all denominations.

A new For Christians Only (http://www.christianforums.com/f7) forum in the Congregation (http://www.christianforums.com/f75) category.

As suggested here:
http://www.christianforums.com/t671533

TasManOfGod
8th May 2004, 06:44 PM
Erwin
I know it is early days but I notice that this thread does not have moderators like the others in the "congregations" . Is this something to do with a "policy" in this case or are we to look foward to having "peace makers" :)
Tas

Oblio
8th May 2004, 08:36 PM
TasMan,

If there are no mods asigned, any report will go to all staff. Your report will be seen and adressed. Sometimes it takes awhile to fill all mod vacancies, please be patient with the all volunteer staff.

Bulldog
8th May 2004, 08:39 PM
This is a new forum, and eventually forum moderators will e assigned.

But I probably shouldn;t speak for the staff. ;)

Oblio
8th May 2004, 08:43 PM
e assigned


:P

If bad puns earned warnings ... :D

Shane Roach
12th May 2004, 11:02 AM
Thanks for the new forum. :) very much.

Knight
12th May 2004, 12:20 PM
Wow, not I have three I can use....
Reformed, Non-Denominational, and Fundamental... :D

masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:48 AM
Hi

masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:50 AM
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14th January 2005, 03:50 AM
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trollkore
14th January 2005, 03:51 AM
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trollkore
14th January 2005, 03:52 AM
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14th January 2005, 03:52 AM
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trollkore
14th January 2005, 03:52 AM
Thanks,
Thinking about going out later, want to come along?

1337troll
14th January 2005, 03:53 AM
whut up im new
:liturgy:

masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:54 AM
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trollkore
14th January 2005, 03:54 AM
Hey 1337, fancy seeing you here.

masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:54 AM
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1337troll
14th January 2005, 03:54 AM
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14th January 2005, 03:55 AM
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masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:55 AM
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trollkore
14th January 2005, 03:56 AM
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14th January 2005, 03:57 AM
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masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:57 AM
:amen:Awesome:thumbsup:

1337troll
14th January 2005, 03:58 AM
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trollkore
14th January 2005, 03:58 AM
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masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:58 AM
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I play Postal 2 all the time. Peeing on the bodies, lighting them on fire.

Bless you all:amen:

trollkore
14th January 2005, 03:59 AM
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1337troll
14th January 2005, 03:59 AM
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masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 03:59 AM
Yea Doom 3 is the cool.

1337troll
14th January 2005, 04:00 AM
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masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 04:00 AM
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masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 04:04 AM
So whats happening?

trollkore
14th January 2005, 04:06 AM
Im just hanging out reading a magazine, pretty bored.

masteroftroll
14th January 2005, 04:06 AM
Anyone here:scratch:

tpony298
28th September 2005, 11:31 PM
I believe I am a fundamentalist, as I believe the Bible is true as written and needs no interpretation. However,according to

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.......I bekieve God speake to each of us in our own languageaccording to aour culture and education and environment. So what the word of God may may say to you..it may say to me in a different way....sincerely Pony

Pac Shady
13th October 2005, 01:57 PM
Well, according to the rules of this forum, I'm a fundamentalist! I've always considered myself to be pretty conservative, but perhaps due to my initial beginnings with Christ the word "fundamentalist" is a dirty word to me LOL. To me, a "fundamentalist" is a "Jack Chick"-style, hateful, arogant hellfire-and-brimstone preaching individual who considers virtually every other Christian as a dirty heretic who is burning in Hell because they use a different translation of the Bible, they attend a different denomination (or in some cases simply attend another congregation within the same denomination), or just generally upset them because they look funny. In this definition, the "fundamentalist" is more often than not a Southern Baptist (no offence to SB people here! :)) however they can be virtually any denomination as long as it's Protestant (damn dirty Catholics ;)), and their church alone is Zion and the world must succumb to their exact interpretation of the exact same translation of the Bible or they will spend eternity in Hell with the rest of History.

Assuming that the definition for a fundamentalist here is slightly more... relaxed? (for lack of a better term) due to the rules, I think I could handle being called a fundamentalist here, for the purpose of this forum. But I think I'll still generally stick with the term "conservative", at least until "fundamentalist" isn't such a dirty word to me anymore ;).

God Bless

'Shady

BillPaxton
11th December 2005, 12:05 PM
Some kid in my class was going off about how evolution was right and that anyone who believes in fundamentalism is an idiot. I was like, whatever jerk.

tpony298
12th December 2005, 09:05 AM
Well, according to the rules of this forum, I'm a fundamentalist! I've always considered myself to be pretty conservative, but perhaps due to my initial beginnings with Christ the word "fundamentalist" is a dirty word to me LOL. Assuming that the definition for a fundamentalist here is slightly more... relaxed? (for lack of a better term) due to the rules, I think I could handle being called a fundamentalist here, for the purpose of this forum. But I think I'll still generally stick with the term "conservative", at least until "fundamentalist" isn't such a dirty word to me anymore ;).

God Bless

'Shady

Dear Shady:)
First, a lable is a title someone else gives you according to his own feelings. And it isusually something to make himself look bigger or better...like "sqrirt" or "Chubby"

I am a fundamentalist. I believe in the bacis fundalmentals of the Bible. One of those basic fundamemtal is "sin is sin" and "all have sined" and the "wages of sin is death" And that Jesus...(God) came to earh as a man to provide a payment for those sins for us so we can all have eternal life. For wich we should be greatful.

When people, perhaps innocently enough begin to separate sins into good sin and bad sins. It is not ok.

Esample: Fornication is a sin. So is living together for the baby's sake not a sin?
Christianity has "evolved so much, that to gain membership and not hurt feelings many denomations have stopped calling sin a sin....Evangalism is no longer popular. So those of us who still hold to the old values are an embarassment to the new modern churchs that they lable us Fundalisits, which is fine because we are...Then they qualified the term to make it sound ugly...I know that without Jesus Christ you are not going to make Heaven, and I love you so much that if it meant a little Bible thumpin to get the point across...well it is worth it to see you saved.....Love POny

cubanito
7th August 2007, 03:10 PM
Sometimes it seems everything I know has been made into a movie. Fundamentally, my understanding of definitions was formed by the greatest epistemological dissertation on the silver screen: “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.”

To understand something mentally (as opposed to existentially or experientially), at least 3 things are necessary:

To define what a thing: 1- IS 2- what it is NOT and 3- what is IRRELEVANT, yet often seems important.

Christian Fundamentalism is 2 words. I will not deal with the definition of “Christian” because to do so would violate the rules on CF. However, no rules constrain me from giving my opinion of “Fundamentalist.”

What Fundamentalism is (The Good), according to Merriam Webster online:

Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal Function: adjective
1 a : serving as an original or generating source : PRIMARY <a discovery fundamental to modern computers> b : serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function : BASIC
2 a : of or relating to essential structure, function, or facts : RADICAL <fundamental change>; also : of or dealing with general principles rather than practical application <fundamental science> b : adhering to fundamentalism
3 : of, relating to, or produced by the lowest component of a complex vibration
4 : of central importance : PRINCIPAL <fundamental purpose>
5 : belonging to one's innate or ingrained characteristics : DEEP-ROOTED <her fundamental good humor>
synonym see ESSENTIAL
- fun·da·men·tal·ly / adverb

If one is concerned with “fundamental” math, one spends much time considering how to answer 1+1=

A physicist who is considering the “fundamentals” spends his time considering esoteric theoretical structures such as “supersymmetric strings, membranes and multidimensional branes.” This physicist is not primarily concerned with metallurgical theories as they might apply to developing unusual or improved materials, or how to utilize energy more efficiently.

Therefore, a “fundamentalist Christians” are primarily concerned with the basics of Christianity, which they understand to be the Scriptures.

2- What fundamentalism is NOT (the Bad) from synonym.com
3 senses of fundamental Sense 1: cardinal, central, fundamental, key, primalANTONYM: INDIRECT (VIA important) -> unimportant Sense 2: fundamental, rudimentary, underlyingANTONYM: INDIRECT (VIA basic) -> incidental, incident Sense 3 fundamental, profoundANTONYM: INDIRECT (VIA significant) -> insignificant, unimportant


In all 3 senses, the primary thing a fundamentalist is NOT interested in is what is INDIRECT, or what develops LATER from the initial bedrock. Thus, since voice recordings were NOT available at the time of Christ, only what is WRITTEN is of interest.

What develops later (ie Tradition) is viewed as unimportant, incidental, and insignificant. Thus while tradition is not automatically wrong, the fundamentalist gives it a VERY secondary role.

Thus if it is written that Christ said: “Do not call any man on earth your Father.” And it is clear from the context he is referring to religious leaders, then anyone promoting that a religious leader be referred to as “Father” is NOT a fundamentalist.

In the Gospel of John it makes it clear that Jesus Christ “existed” before the beginning of time, thus any JW or “Mormon” who posits a created Jesus is NOT a fundamentalist.

3- What is IRRELEVANT to the definition of fundamentalist (The Ugly) This is a long list of behavior and thoughts deemed “ugly” by our modern culture, but which are categorical errors. It is like calling an apple red. Yes, some apples are red, but so are some fire trucks, and some apples are NOT red. “Red” and “Apple” are simple different categories that on many occasions overlap.

- Alcohol drinking: many sincere fundys abstain from all alcohol, DESPITE the rather strong Scriptural evidence that total abstention is NOT called for except in certain circumstances (such as the Nazerene vow, or the inability to control the abuse of alcohol). Many, many fundys drink alcohol, such as myself.

- Dancing: again the “typical” Hollywood image of a fundy frowns on dancing (see the movie “Footloose”). It is true that some fundys consider public dancing a sin DESPITE the frequent Biblical dancing that is commended. Well, I’m not a good dancer, but short of highly suggestive public dancing such as the “lambada” or “Dirty Dancing,” I have no problem. In fact, at my Church they have occasionally had “liturgical dances” as part of the service.

- “Right wing” Republican in the USA. Well, I am that, but a friend of mine here (Arumna) who is also fundy is Democrat. Many fundies are averse to politics altogether, but it is true that those who are politically involved tend, in general, to be “right wing” these days. However, 100years ago, fundys tended to be called “liberals.” They were the leading anti-slavery, anti-capitalists, pro-union of their day (as in the movie “Amazing Grace” re William Wilberforce). We stand on the Scriptures. There was a time the culture was to the “right” of them, and so we in general were to the “left” of the culture. Now that the cultural pendulum in most Western societies have swung way to the left, we STILL standing on the same Scriptural spot, are to the “right” of the political middle. - Sexually frigid. Uh-huh… The river that is constrained by sharp banks runs deep, clear and strong. The river wo clear banks slows, becomes muddy, shallow and meanders all over the place. ‘nuff said there. - Protestant usually yes, but there are some, like my wife, who consider themselves Roman Catholic and yet believe that ONLY the Bible is infallible. It is possible for an RC to be a fundy, but to do so they must deny the infallibility of the RC “Magesterium” and many RCC doctrines. In an ironic twist, most RC fundys would fit in the “Liberal Catholic” forum here on CF. While I am not sure, it seems many “Olg Catholic” could be fundys. I don’t know about the EO, but their heavy emphasis on tradition makes me doubt it.

-Baptist: there are many denominations and individual fundys that baptize infants by sprinkling. Arguments ampongst us rage, but they are INTRAMURAL debates, based solely on the Scriptures.

- Young Earth Creationists (YEC) and against Science. Most fundys do not believe in Darwinian evolution. Many (most?) are “Young Earth Creationists,” and those who are not are often treated rather roughly by most fundys who believe they “compromise” their Scriptural beliefs. However, YEC is NOT a necessary position for a fundy. I am an OLD Earth Creationist (OEC). As to being against Science, many of us fundys, including myself, have some distrust of modern “Science.” More and more we see it has abandoned it’s strict fundamental principle: the scientific EXPERIMENTAL method, and substitute speculations without rigorous proof by prediction and testing. We see that previously clear definitions such as “species” have become political footballs in the hands of “eco-activists” for whom a re-definition of some obscure minor variant race is the key to stopping technological progress. In fact THE greatest anti-scientists today are among the ECOLOGISTS, the “neo-pagans”, “wiccans” and other very anti-Christian groups.

- Stupid and/or uneducated: just how many degrees do we post behind our names, how many long, carefully reasoned posts do we make, and how high an IQ do we need to show before this is seen for the ad hominem flame that it is?

- Mean, Nasty: there is some truth here. We fundys take Truth VERY seriously. We are not prone to dismiss an argument with the word “whatever” but generally persist in trying to get every point clarified, and every question answered. As a result we often seem mean and nasty, and in fact, sometimes we are. The Scriptures asks that we speak the Truth in Love. Often, contrary to what we OUGHT to do, we forget the “in Love” part and become strident about Truth.

For this, I ask your forgiveness, prayers and yes, your tolerance. It is not easy as a sinful person to “hit the bull’s-eye” of “Truth in Love.” I will continue to sharpen my aim, and try not to sin, whi is, after all, to miss the mark.

Comments most welcome.

JR

cubanito
7th August 2007, 03:10 PM
Sometimes it seems everything I know has been made into a movie. Fundamentally, my understanding of definitions was formed by the greatest epistemological dissertation on the silver screen: “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.”

To understand something mentally (as opposed to existentially or experientially), at least 3 things are necessary:

To define what a thing: 1- IS 2- what it is NOT and 3- what is IRRELEVANT, yet often seems important.

Christian Fundamentalism is 2 words. I will not deal with the definition of “Christian” because to do so would violate the rules on CF. However, no rules constrain me from giving my opinion of “Fundamentalist.”

What Fundamentalism is (The Good), according to Merriam Webster online:

Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal Function: adjective
1 a : serving as an original or generating source : PRIMARY <a discovery fundamental to modern computers> b : serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function : BASIC
2 a : of or relating to essential structure, function, or facts : RADICAL <fundamental change>; also : of or dealing with general principles rather than practical application <fundamental science> b : adhering to fundamentalism
3 : of, relating to, or produced by the lowest component of a complex vibration
4 : of central importance : PRINCIPAL <fundamental purpose>
5 : belonging to one's innate or ingrained characteristics : DEEP-ROOTED <her fundamental good humor>
synonym see ESSENTIAL
- fun·da·men·tal·ly / adverb

If one is concerned with “fundamental” math, one spends much time considering how to answer 1+1=

A physicist who is considering the “fundamentals” spends his time considering esoteric theoretical structures such as “supersymmetric strings, membranes and multidimensional branes.” This physicist is not primarily concerned with metallurgical theories as they might apply to developing unusual or improved materials, or how to utilize energy more efficiently.

Therefore, a “fundamentalist Christians” are primarily concerned with the basics of Christianity, which they understand to be the Scriptures.

2- What fundamentalism is NOT (the Bad) from synonym.com
3 senses of fundamental Sense 1: cardinal, central, fundamental, key, primalANTONYM: INDIRECT (VIA important) -> unimportant Sense 2: fundamental, rudimentary, underlyingANTONYM: INDIRECT (VIA basic) -> incidental, incident Sense 3 fundamental, profoundANTONYM: INDIRECT (VIA significant) -> insignificant, unimportant


In all 3 senses, the primary thing a fundamentalist is NOT interested in is what is INDIRECT, or what develops LATER from the initial bedrock. Thus, since voice recordings were NOT available at the time of Christ, only what is WRITTEN is of interest.

What develops later (ie Tradition) is viewed as unimportant, incidental, and insignificant. Thus while tradition is not automatically wrong, the fundamentalist gives it a VERY secondary role.

Thus if it is written that Christ said: “Do not call any man on earth your Father.” And it is clear from the context he is referring to religious leaders, then anyone promoting that a religious leader be referred to as “Father” is NOT a fundamentalist.

In the Gospel of John it makes it clear that Jesus Christ “existed” before the beginning of time, thus any JW or “Mormon” who posits a created Jesus is NOT a fundamentalist.

3- What is IRRELEVANT to the definition of fundamentalist (The Ugly) This is a long list of behavior and thoughts deemed “ugly” by our modern culture, but which are categorical errors. It is like calling an apple red. Yes, some apples are red, but so are some fire trucks, and some apples are NOT red. “Red” and “Apple” are simple different categories that on many occasions overlap.

- Alcohol drinking: many sincere fundys abstain from all alcohol, DESPITE the rather strong Scriptural evidence that total abstention is NOT called for except in certain circumstances (such as the Nazerene vow, or the inability to control the abuse of alcohol). Many, many fundys drink alcohol, such as myself.

- Dancing: again the “typical” Hollywood image of a fundy frowns on dancing (see the movie “Footloose”). It is true that some fundys consider public dancing a sin DESPITE the frequent Biblical dancing that is commended. Well, I’m not a good dancer, but short of highly suggestive public dancing such as the “lambada” or “Dirty Dancing,” I have no problem. In fact, at my Church they have occasionally had “liturgical dances” as part of the service.

- “Right wing” Republican in the USA. Well, I am that, but a friend of mine here (Arumna) who is also fundy is Democrat. Many fundies are averse to politics altogether, but it is true that those who are politically involved tend, in general, to be “right wing” these days. However, 100years ago, fundys tended to be called “liberals.” They were the leading anti-slavery, anti-capitalists, pro-union of their day (as in the movie “Amazing Grace” re William Wilberforce). We stand on the Scriptures. There was a time the culture was to the “right” of them, and so we in general were to the “left” of the culture. Now that the cultural pendulum in most Western societies have swung way to the left, we STILL standing on the same Scriptural spot, are to the “right” of the political middle. - Sexually frigid. Uh-huh… The river that is constrained by sharp banks runs deep, clear and strong. The river wo clear banks slows, becomes muddy, shallow and meanders all over the place. ‘nuff said there. - Protestant usually yes, but there are some, like my wife, who consider themselves Roman Catholic and yet believe that ONLY the Bible is infallible. It is possible for an RC to be a fundy, but to do so they must deny the infallibility of the RC “Magesterium” and many RCC doctrines. In an ironic twist, most RC fundys would fit in the “Liberal Catholic” forum here on CF. While I am not sure, it seems many “Olg Catholic” could be fundys. I don’t know about the EO, but their heavy emphasis on tradition makes me doubt it.

-Baptist: there are many denominations and individual fundys that baptize infants by sprinkling. Arguments ampongst us rage, but they are INTRAMURAL debates, based solely on the Scriptures.

- Young Earth Creationists (YEC) and against Science. Most fundys do not believe in Darwinian evolution. Many (most?) are “Young Earth Creationists,” and those who are not are often treated rather roughly by most fundys who believe they “compromise” their Scriptural beliefs. However, YEC is NOT a necessary position for a fundy. I am an OLD Earth Creationist (OEC). As to being against Science, many of us fundys, including myself, have some distrust of modern “Science.” More and more we see it has abandoned it’s strict fundamental principle: the scientific EXPERIMENTAL method, and substitute speculations without rigorous proof by prediction and testing. We see that previously clear definitions such as “species” have become political footballs in the hands of “eco-activists” for whom a re-definition of some obscure minor variant race is the key to stopping technological progress. In fact THE greatest anti-scientists today are among the ECOLOGISTS, the “neo-pagans”, “wiccans” and other very anti-Christian groups.

- Stupid and/or uneducated: just how many degrees do we post behind our names, how many long, carefully reasoned posts do we make, and how high an IQ do we need to show before this is seen for the ad hominem flame that it is?

- Mean, Nasty: there is some truth here. We fundys take Truth VERY seriously. We are not prone to dismiss an argument with the word “whatever” but generally persist in trying to get every point clarified, and every question answered. As a result we often seem mean and nasty, and in fact, sometimes we are. The Scriptures asks that we speak the Truth in Love. Often, contrary to what we OUGHT to do, we forget the “in Love” part and become strident about Truth.

For this, I ask your forgiveness, prayers and yes, your tolerance. It is not easy as a sinful person to “hit the bull’s-eye” of “Truth in Love.” I will continue to sharpen my aim, and try not to sin, which is, after all, to miss the mark.

Comments most welcome.

JR

Nadiine
29th August 2007, 09:47 AM
I've looked around this section and can't seem to find any membership thread to sign here.
Do I have to sign up to become a member? If so, please post a link?
thanks alot! :wave:

HypnoToad
29th August 2007, 01:44 PM
I've looked around this section and can't seem to find any membership thread to sign here.
Do I have to sign up to become a member? If so, please post a link?
thanks alot! :wave:
There's a "roll call" thread floating around somewhere.

We had just started on making a couple rules when Erwin pulled his big switch, and I think several members have left because of it, which seems to have nearly decimated the membership of the Fundamentalists. I haven't seen several of the regulars much in here lately. So, this forum never had a chance to organize much.

Nadiine
29th August 2007, 04:49 PM
There's a "roll call" thread floating around somewhere.

We had just started on making a couple rules when Erwin pulled his big switch, and I think several members have left because of it, which seems to have nearly decimated the membership of the Fundamentalists. I haven't seen several of the regulars much in here lately. So, this forum never had a chance to organize much.
Ahhh, ok. Thanks for the info.

Ya, I've noticed that the numbers on the entire site have really taken a nosedive compared to what they were prior to Erwin's new "vision".

I can't blame them for leaving tho - it was pretty devestating to see those changes. I think the reaction even surprised Erwin (enough to change some stuff back)

Albion
29th August 2007, 08:20 PM
Comments most welcome.

JR

I agree with your list of what Fundamentalism is NOT--the "indirects." What it IS remains defined by the 7 points outlined at the intro to our forum.

All other uses of the word, such as the dictionary offers us, refer to something else. Of course, the word existed and had its various meanings prior to it being adopted by anti-liberal Christians a century or so ago.

desmalia
29th August 2007, 09:04 PM
Here ya go, Nadine!

Fundamentalist Rollcall. Just post in this thread to get added to the list.
http://foru.ms/t5831548-fundamentalists-rollcall.html&page=7

Also, feel free to post in the Introduce Yourself thread too. :)
http://foru.ms/t5729863-introduce-yourself-here.html

Wonderful to see you around these parts, sister!

brachah
19th December 2007, 08:06 AM
can somebody make the 2 threads into 2 direct seperate stickies?

desmalia
19th December 2007, 02:29 PM
can somebody make the 2 threads into 2 direct seperate stickies?
Sorry, I don't expect so. There are no mods on this subforum.
And on the whole this is a relatively forgotten little corner of CF. We just make due, which is not a big problem since it's so quiet here. :cool: