Can someone define and explain mediatrix?

[d0c markus]

Can someone define and explain mediatrix, i am assuming that this will be about Mary, ive heard the term but dont understand.

[A. believer]

Can someone define and explain mediatrix, i am assuming that this will be about Mary, ive heard the term but dont understand.This term is used in regard to Mary as "co-mediatrix" or "co-redemptrix" with Christ among Roman Catholics, although the pope stopped short of defining it as the official "fifth Marian dogma" so as not to do damage to ecumenical efforts.

Check out this link. The Fifth Marian Dogma: Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces, and Advocate (http://www.catholicity.com/churchteaching/fifth-dogma.html).

[thereselittleflower]

doc,

It is a Catholic theological term.

I think it would be a good idea to ask this in the OBOB forum . . there are those who can explain this theological term very well over there . . since it is not a protestant term, but a Catholic theological term, it seems most appropriate to be ask there and your question would be very welcome.

It is a theological term that can easily be misconstrued . ..


Peace in Him!

[thereselittleflower]

A. believer, that is a really good link! :) There is much in there that I now understand, but without the background I now have, I don't know how easy it would have been to understand it properly a few years ago.


Peace in Him!

[A. believer]

A. believer, that is a really good link! :) There is much in there that I now understand, but without the background I now have, I don't know how easy it would have been to understand it properly a few years ago.


Peace in Him!
I was going to suggest that he ask in the OBOB, myself, but then I remembered that website that I'd seen before, and I figured that he'd get a more precise answer there, even, than in the OBOB. And I don't doubt that you have more understanding into Roman Catholic thought now than you did a few years ago, but I hope that you can also respect the fact that one can understand quite well and still reject the concept based on a correct understanding, and not an incorrect one.

[Oblio]

doc,

It is a Catholic theological term.

I think it would be a good idea to ask this in the OBOB forum . . there are those who can explain this theological term very well over there . . since it is not a protestant term, but a Catholic theological term, it seems most appropriate to be ask there and your question would be very welcome.

It is a theological term that can easily be misconstrued . ..


Peace in Him!


While you ask them, you might also ask explain what the term pray means when they and Orthodox use it. Two for the price of one so to speak :)

[d0c markus]

This term is used in regard to Mary as "co-mediatrix" or "co-redemptrix" with Christ among Roman Catholics, although the pope stopped short of defining it as the official "fifth Marian dogma" so as not to do damage to ecumenical efforts.

Check out this link. The Fifth Marian Dogma: Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces, and Advocate (http://www.catholicity.com/churchteaching/fifth-dogma.html).
Interesting, what are the Biblical Arguments against it?

[A. believer]

Interesting, what are the Biblical Arguments against it?
The Bible simply portrays an entirely different portrait of the mother of the Lord than does Roman Catholicism. Whereas in Scripture, Mary is referred to as having received a great blessing and great grace for being chosen as the mother of Lord Jesus Christ, there is no hint of her having any kind of prominent role in the life of the church and she is certainly not credited with playing any direct role in the salvation of man beyond the role of carrying Jesus in her womb. Here's an article you might find helpful.

Is The Mary of Roman Catholicism the Mary of the Bible? (http://members.aol.com/jasonte/mary.htm)

[Svt4Him]

What is the mediatrix?

Well, choose the OBOB pill, and you will be taken on a journey beyond time or reason, where you will find answers that lead to more questions, and answers where no questions exist.

Choose the ND pill, and you will find A. Believer. A master of words, an elequant poster, able to take you down links you never thought possible.

Whichever road you choose, you will not come back the same.


Oh come on, sometimes one just needs to laugh. (oh, I really like A. Believers posting style, one of the best, IMO)

[d0c markus]

The Bible simply portrays an entirely different portrait of the mother of the Lord than does Roman Catholicism. Whereas in Scripture, Mary is referred to as having received a great blessing and great grace for being chosen as the mother of Lord Jesus Christ, there is no hint of her having any kind of prominent role in the life of the church and she is certainly not credited with playing any direct role in the salvation of man beyond the role of carrying Jesus in her womb. Here's an article you might find helpful.

Is The Mary of Roman Catholicism the Mary of the Bible? (http://members.aol.com/jasonte/mary.htm)

Catholics often claim that they're just loving Mary, whereas those who disagree with them either don't love her enough or even hate her. But what if the man in Acts 10:25 claimed that he was just "loving Peter", and that he didn't mean to elevate Peter above God? What if the people in 1 Corinthians 1:12 claimed that they were just "loving" the leaders they were following? Obviously, the command to love one another doesn't justify holding a person in higher esteem than we should. We can love Mary without making her out to be a sinless perpetual virgin who is Queen of Heaven, co-redeemer, dispenser of all grace, etc. If Catholics acknowledge that Mary isn't God, does that mean that they can believe whatever they want to believe about her? Obviously not. If a person falsely believes that Mary is 99% of what God is, acknowledging that there's a 1% difference doesn't make that false view any less false. We can acknowledge that somebody isn't God, yet still be elevating that person more than we should.



Catholic apologists respond that the Old Testament often referred to cousins as "brothers and sisters", since there was no Hebrew term for "cousin". New Testament Greek, however, does have a word for "cousin", and that term is used in Colossians 4:10. In Luke 1:36, another term is used to describe Elizabeth's relationship to Mary. There were terms that the writers of the New Testament could have used to describe Jesus' "brothers and sisters" as cousins, if they actually were cousins. Instead, the writers used terms that have a primary meaning of shared parentage. In Luke 21:16, Luke demonstrates that he understands the differences between these terms by using them to make contrasting references to "brothers" and "relatives".

Some Catholic apologists attempt to get around the textual evidence by suggesting that the "brothers and sisters" were actually children from a former marriage of Joseph, but the historical evidence doesn't support that view. It originated in unreliable apocryphal material, and it seems to create the problem of keeping Christ from being the legitimate Heir to David's throne. If Jesus had older brothers from a former marriage of Joseph, one of those brothers would be the legitimate heir. And the New Testament passages about Jesus' childhood, such as Matthew 2:13-15, suggest that Jesus was the only Child Joseph and Mary had to care for at the time. The Catholic claim that Mary was a virgin throughout her life is contrary to scripture. Even if it wasn't, the lack of evidence for the doctrine would be enough reason to reject it. It would be unnecessary for Mary to be a virgin perpetually, she would be unlikely to marry Joseph under such circumstances, the scriptures specifically refer to Jesus having siblings, and some early post-apostolic writers referred to Mary ceasing to be a virgin, even though the perpetual virginity view later became popular.
2 very helpful sections. thanks for the article!:)

[d0c markus]

What is the mediatrix?

Well, choose the OBOB pill, and you will be taken on a journey beyond time or reason, where you will find answers that lead to more questions, and answers where no questions exist.

Choose the ND pill, and you will find A. Believer. A master of words, an elequant poster, able to take you down links you never thought possible.

Whichever road you choose, you will not come back the same.


Oh come on, sometimes one just needs to laugh. (oh, I really like A. Believers posting style, one of the best, IMO)
i have now entered... the matrix

[Terri]

What is the mediatrix?

Well, choose the OBOB pill, and you will be taken on a journey beyond time or reason, where you will find answers that lead to more questions, and answers where no questions exist.

Choose the ND pill, and you will find A. Believer. A master of words, an elequant poster, able to take you down links you never thought possible.

Whichever road you choose, you will not come back the same.


Oh come on, sometimes one just needs to laugh. (oh, I really like A. Believers posting style, one of the best, IMO)



:D Very funny Svt4Him!!

I think A. Believer is great too!! :clap: She seems to know everything and expresses it very well too!! :cool:

[ps139]

i have now entered... the matrixDon't you mean The Mediamatrix?

Sorry I know it was corny but I could not help it :)

[Svt4Him]

i have now entered... the matrix
Ya, but which pill did you take? :priest:

[thereselittleflower]

i have now entered... the matrix
I'm sorry, but this was funny. :D One can have a good laugh even when one disagrees with the pre-supposition presented that lead to you comment. :)


Peace in Him!

[d0c markus]

Ya, but which pill did you take? :priest:
I took the ND pill, and followed the links

[thereselittleflower]

:(


Peace in Him!

[A. believer]

Thanks, Terri and Svt4Him. :blush: You're giving me way too much credit, though.