The Great Debate 2004

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, All

The great debate is in 2 weeks, in New York.

The Great Debate 2004:
"The Canon of the
HOLY BIBLE:
Has Rome Added or Have Protestants Taken Away?"
A Roman Catholic vs. Protestant Debate on
the Canonicity of the Deuterocanonical (Apocryphal) Books

http://aomin.org/debate.html


It has been about 10 years when this issue was last debated, much has been written and researched in that time. I have heard the one 10 years ago if there is more information to be discussed this should be a good one and full of new information on this isssue.

Peace to u,

Bill

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

Is any one going to the Debate on Thrusday?

BBAS

[Knight]

I'd love to see it but it's a bit of a drive for me....

[BBAS 64]

I'd love to see it but it's a bit of a drive for me....
Good day, Knight

Yes it is a bit of a drive for me also. In listening to the bulid up of the Debate from both sides, the RC defender of it's inclusion may not have a chance given the history he must over come. It has been said that there is 3-4 times the information against him then there was ten years ago.

I kind of of feel bad for his guy, Mr. Madrid put him up then would not write an endorsement his behalf.

Bill

[Knight]

Madrid and White have debated before......

In fact, you can read a transcript of their Sola Scriptura debate over at www.aomin.org (http://www.aomin.org/)

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, All

The dabate has come and gone James White has commented on Mr. Michuta and the studing he has done around this issue and was well prepared. I have not heard the debate nor read any of the transcripts. In talking to some who attended Mr. Michuta opening was very strong in the defence of the RC postion that the Septuagant should be a part of the Cannon. It seems that Mr. Michuta may not have understood the debate format, he had the weight of proving such an assertion not just defend it.

Mr. Michuta, put forward the assertion that 100's of ECF saw them as inspired, when called on this by a question from those in attendance he cited 5 ECF then refered to Mr. White who then excluded 2 of them whom Mr. Michuta cited with out a comment from Mr. Michuta, so Mr. Michuta went from 100 to 3 "maybe".

Out of time will add more as I find time.

Peace to u,

Bill

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, All

The Mp3's are on the web and can be downloaded.

https://aomin.org/mp3/shop.html?shop=list3

Bill

[FreeinChrist]

Did either of them 'win' or make their position appear stronger than the other?

[BBAS 64]

Did either of them 'win' or make their position appear stronger than the other?
Good Day, FIC

I do not know if the proside made it's case based on what I have read. I will buy the mp 3's and listen for my self I hope next week. If you happen to get them I would be interested in disscussing them.

Peace to u,

Bill

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

Cd's and DVD's are on line for ordering.

https://aomin.org/bookstore/shop.html?shop=audio

Bill

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

I have listened to the debate some comments about the debate. If you have listened I would be intersested in your comments.

The proside Mr. Michuta of the debate failed to present any historical backround to uphold his claim. He seemed to rely on a firm understanding that these books were/are Scripture then reasoned from there.

It was quite refreshing to hear a Roman Catholic acknowledge the fact that Jerome never seen these books as Scripture. Then goes on to say people like Gregory the great were just repeating what Jerome said, when Jerome was never made reference to by those people in this context.

When Mr. White asked Mr. Michuta for a list of the Jewish Scriptures that included these books before the time of Christ, none was given.

Mr. White brought up the historical errors contained with in the pages of Judith, Mr. Michuta tried to make some distictions between classes of errors. When pressed on this Mr. Michuta said we first must determine if that book is Scripture then reason away the errors as not being real only apparent. That way he does not deal with the errors in any way.

That is all for now I will listen again some time this week. If you have listened I would like to get your take on the debate.

Peace to u,

Bill