Did Yeshua Abolish the Kosher Laws?

[Buccaneer]

What do you think. I have found some things saying yes, but i'd also like to get another viewpoint supported by scripture only.

[simchat_torah]

Curious... what passage could possibly say yes?

[iitb]

Well, there is that "thus he declared all foods clean" liner note in Mark, but I'm pretty sure that's something that managed to slip into the text over the years.

[iitb]

Btw, if he did abolish the kosher laws, then he's a false Messiah. (I'm pretty sure you can figure out my reply to the OP ;))

[Buccaneer]

Acts 10:9-17. About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. Acts 10:9 (NIV) He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. Acts 10:10 (NIV) He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. Acts 10:11 (NIV) It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Acts 10:12 (NIV) Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." Acts 10:13 (NIV) "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." Acts 10:14 (NIV)
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." Acts 10:15 (NIV) This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. Acts 10:16 (NIV)
Some use this text to show that God forbid eating unclean animals. They say if Yashua annulled the law of unclean animals Peter would not have refused God to eat the unclean animals. But notice Peter called these animals "impure and unclean." And God said to Peter, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
Did Peter understand the vision? NO. The Bible tells us "While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. Acts 10:17 (NIV) He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean." Acts 10:28 (NIV)
The purpose of the vision was for God to show Peter that Gentiles were not unclean. Peter and the Jews regarded Gentiles as unclean as they did the unclean animals. But God in teaching Peter this lesson also called the unclean animals clean. And Peter was never to call anything unclean that God made clean.

Again Yashua called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Mark 7:14 (NIV) Nothing outside a man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean.’" Mark 7:15 (NIV) After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. Mark 7:17 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’? Mark 7:18 (NIV) For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Yashua declared all foods "clean.") Mark 7:19 (NIV)
"As one who is in the Adonai yeshua, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean." Romans14:14.
"Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 1 Cor 10:25 (NIV) for, "The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it." 1 Cor 10:26 (NIV) If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience." 1 Cor 10:27 (NIV)
(EPH 2:15 NIV) "by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations (Mark 15:38 NIV) "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom."

it can also be argued from this:
Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it." Gen 9:3,4 (NIV)
I believe now, that the Lamb of El has nullified the food laws.

[Hix]

Btw, if he did abolish the kosher laws, then he's a false Messiah. (I'm pretty sure you can figure out my reply to the OP ;))


Just what I was thinking chaver ;)

Deuteronomy 13:1 The entire word that I command you, that shall you observe to do; you shall not add to it and you shall not subtract from it. [2] If there should stand up in your midst a prophet or a dreamer of a dream, and he will produce to you a sign or a wonder, [3] and the sign or the wonder comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying "Let us follow gods of others that you did not know and we shall worship them!" [4] do not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of a dream, for HASHEM, your G-d, is testing you to know whether you love HASHEM, your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul. [5] HASHEM, your G-d, shall you follow and Him shall you fear; His commandments shall you observe and to His voice shall you hearken; Him shall you serve and to Him shall you cleave. [6] And that prophet and that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death, for he had spoken perversion against HASHEM, your G-d Who takes you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeems you from the house of slavery to make you stray from the path on which HASHEM, you G-d, has commanded you to go; and you shall destroy the evil from your midst.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

[Buccaneer]

So now you call him a prophet? True, man shall not change the law, but are you saying that the word of god has no right to change it?

[iitb]

Acts 10:9-17. About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. Acts 10:9 (NIV) He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. Acts 10:10 (NIV) He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. Acts 10:11 (NIV) It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Acts 10:12 (NIV) Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." Acts 10:13 (NIV) "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." Acts 10:14 (NIV)
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." Acts 10:15 (NIV) This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. Acts 10:16 (NIV)
Some use this text to show that God forbid eating unclean animals. They say if Yashua annulled the law of unclean animals Peter would not have refused God to eat the unclean animals. But notice Peter called these animals "impure and unclean." And God said to Peter, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
Did Peter understand the vision? NO. The Bible tells us "While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. Acts 10:17 (NIV) He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean." Acts 10:28 (NIV)
The purpose of the vision was for God to show Peter that Gentiles were not unclean. Peter and the Jews regarded Gentiles as unclean as they did the unclean animals. But God in teaching Peter this lesson also called the unclean animals clean. And Peter was never to call anything unclean that God made clean. You already answered yourself here. This vision had to do with the Gentiles; the animals were symbolism. This had nothing to do with Kosher laws.
Again Yashua called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Mark 7:14 (NIV) Nothing outside a man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean.’" Mark 7:15 (NIV) After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. Mark 7:17 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’? Mark 7:18 (NIV) For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Yashua declared all foods "clean.") Mark 7:19 (NIV)I'm sure Yafet can give a better explanation, but this whole incident had to do with hand washing, a command added by the Pharisees. Mark 7:19 doesn't appear in older texts, leading to the theory that it is a liner note that someone wrote that somehow worked its way into the text
"As one who is in the Adonai yeshua, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean." Romans14:14.
"Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 1 Cor 10:25 (NIV) for, "The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it." 1 Cor 10:26 (NIV) If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience." 1 Cor 10:27 (NIV)
(EPH 2:15 NIV) "by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations (Mark 15:38 NIV) "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." The writings of Paul are all about context. You have to consider his audience, time period, and what was occurring that inspired him to write the letter in the first place. I can't say his teaching don't apply to everyone, but context must be considered.
it can also be argued from this:
Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it." Gen 9:3,4 (NIV)
I believe now, that the Lamb of El has nullified the food laws.Genesis is a record of stuff that happened before the Torah was given.

[Buccaneer]

"I'm sure Yafet can give a better explanation, but this whole incident had to do with hand washing, a command added by the Pharisees. Mark 7:19 doesn't appear in older texts, leading to the theory that it is a liner note that someone wrote that somehow worked its way into the text"

yes im aware that it was sparked by the handwashing ritual but look at it again.

Again Yashua called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Mark 7:14 (NIV) Nothing outside a man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean.’" Mark 7:15 (NIV) After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. Mark 7:17 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’? Mark 7:18 (NIV) For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." Mark 7:19 (NIV)

[Hix]

So now you call him a prophet? True, man shall not change the law, but are you saying that the word of god has no right to change it?

Im not saying G-d has no right to change it, Im saying he would NOT. G-d says that his law does not change just as he does not change.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts. [6] For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. [7] Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

[Buccaneer]

Then you deny the words of Yeshua?
if his law changes not, then why are gentiles accepted? heh, why even have a 'new convenant' at all? that implies change in itself.

[iitb]

Buccaneer,

It's obvious you came here with your mind made up, intent on debating this issue. As a Non-Messianic, you can't debate here, so this thread is now closed.

[Henaynei]

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