Conservative vs Liberal on TCL

[BabyLutheran]

After the slight dispute on one of my other threads, I went up to the top of the main page. There is a huge disparity in the conservative vs liberal thread in number of posts.

Like almost 2:1.

Is practically everyone on here a LCMS or WELS person, or do the conservatives just like to talk more? hehehehe^_^

[RadMan]

We get into enough arguments in this forum about the differences between LCMS and ELCA. It's not such a good idea to talk about a comparison between us. We get into it all by ourselves without any prompting. :)

[BabyLutheran]

So you're saying I just threw a pork chop down between two starving pit bulls????!!!

[RadMan]

I'll pass

[stumpjumper]

Is that pork chop at a picnic?

[BabyLutheran]

Is that pork chop at a picnic?
Yes, how did you know?

[stumpjumper]

'Cause Lutherans love picnics?

[BabyLutheran]

'Cause Lutherans love picnics?
I thought it was pot lucks, not picnics!

[Jim47]

If you were to go back about 3 years ago into the archives you would find pretty fiesty debates. What you see now is just plain HoHum ^_^

[DaSeminarian]

I thought it was pot lucks, not picnics!


Actually we like potluck picnics. Just remember to take home the dish with your name on it. :D

[BabyLutheran]

If you were to go back about 3 years ago into the archives you would find pretty fiesty debates. What you see now is just plain HoHum ^_^
Yeah, I wasn't trying to start another debate. It's just funny how many more posts are in the WELS/LCMS section as opposed to the ELCA section.

Hmm, on second thought, maybe I am trying to start a debate on why that is!!!

We can talk about it at the potluck picnic cookout bbq.

[DaRev]

Hey, we love any excuse to eat! :yum:

...and drink beer! ;)

[BigNorsk]

I believe the liberals spend more time talking to other groups. There are many sporting the Lutheran logo that you will just never see here.

Basically I think it's because they get along quite well on the forums almost anywhere but the Lutheran forum. So they don't spend much time here.

Just a guess from what I've observed.

Marv

[RadMan]

I believe the liberals spend more time talking to other groups. There are many sporting the Lutheran logo that you will just never see here.

Basically I think it's because they get along quite well on the forums almost anywhere but the Lutheran forum. So they don't spend much time here.

Just a guess from what I've observed.

Marv:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Melethiel]

After the slight dispute on one of my other threads, I went up to the top of the main page. There is a huge disparity in the conservative vs liberal thread in number of posts.

Like almost 2:1.

Is practically everyone on here a LCMS or WELS person, or do the conservatives just like to talk more? hehehehe^_^
The ELCA folks tend to hang out in the other forums here, but stay away from TCL. Read back the archives a bit and it'll become fairly obvious why.

[Willy]

I think it's not unusual that folks who are strongly opinionated about matters tend to speak more. And those who are opposed to things also express themselves more freely. The ELCA tends not to create a lot of doctrinaire people. Some of our people tend to be less ideological than those that come from more conservative Lutheran churches, especially those who have been exposed to formal theological education in those churches. You will find in church life that those who oppose things the most are the ones who speak the most.

[DaSeminarian]

I think it's not unusual that folks who are strongly opinionated about matters tend to speak more. And those who are opposed to things also express themselves more freely. The ELCA tends not to create a lot of doctrinaire people. Some of our people tend to be less ideological than those that come from more conservative Lutheran churches, especially those who have been exposed to formal theological education in those churches. You will find in church life that those who oppose things the most are the ones who speak the most.

I couldn't agree with you more. Doctrine is important because it comes from the scripture. Doctrine and Practice of the doctrine are essential to Christian life.

[KimLCMS]

I'm glad to see that no mud has been flung .... so to speak :)

[seajoy]

I'm glad to see that no mud has been flung .... so to speak :)
Everybody is too tired. :yawn: Give it a day or so. ;)

[Tofferer]

Of course we should bear in mind that there are a fair amount of both conservative and liberal people in any given church body. It is just that some groups tend towards a more conservative, and hence scriptural, position than others. Of course there is also the question of how you define the terms of conserative and liberal, though from what I have seen, this question has pretty much answered itself within most Lutheran circles, notwithstanding a few who might argue one way or the other of who is or is not conservative......

[porterross]

I want to know who has the pork chop. :yum:

[DaRev]

I had it. It was delicious. :yum:

Had some applesauce with it as well. :P

[RevCowboy]

Shoot! You guys had pork chops while I was at confirmation and pre-marital counseling! I hate it when the church gets in the way of good food!;)

[DaRev]

I hate it when the church gets in the way of good food!;)

No you don't. :P Be honest.

[porterross]

I hate it when my stomach growls in church.

[RevCowboy]

No you don't. :P Be honest.

Cyberfood? Its true I don't mind at all.

But real pork chops? I am a young single man who doesn't cook very well and you should have seen our confirmation class... A good home cooked meal is a religious experience at this point in my life!:crossrc:

[KimLCMS]

I hate it when my stomach growls in church.
My stomach is super loud when I'm hungry. I have had people ask me several times....."Is that your stomach?"

[maylor]

So the common bond between all Lutherans is.......FOOD!

So....Conservatives and Liberals can get along quite nicely as long as their mouths remain full.

[BabyLutheran]

I thought the common bond was BEER!?

Make mine a Guiness Stout

[DaRev]

Hey, gotta wash the bratwurst and German potato salad down with something. :thumbsup:

[BabyLutheran]

You are making me hungry, and I am on a real strict diet right now!

[synger]

I had it. It was delicious. :yum:

Had some applesauce with it as well. :P
Reminds me of one of my favorite Brady Bunch episodes....



http://content.ytmnd.com/content/f/7/f/f7f8a9eee6bbcbc5d3e7c253b8b57c16.jpg

[RevCowboy]

Hey, gotta wash the bratwurst and German potato salad down with something. :thumbsup:

Don't forget the Lutefisk and Lefse for us Norwegians. You need a lot of Beer to go with Lutefisk so that you have a better chance of not remembering the experience...:yum:

[BabyLutheran]

Reminds me of one of my favorite Brady Bunch episodes....



http://content.ytmnd.com/content/f/7/f/f7f8a9eee6bbcbc5d3e7c253b8b57c16.jpg
had the little cousin who looked like John Denver, as I recall

[synger]

Cousin Oliver. *nods as she dredges the name up from the lizard-brain*

[BabyLutheran]

Cousin Oliver. *nods as she dredges the name up from the lizard-brain*
I am impressed. I am just slightly older than you and I can't remember what I ate this morning, and you remember Cousin Oliver!

[synger]

I can't remember the names of people I've worked with for five years.

But if it had music attached to it, it's in the lizard-brain. Or if I watched it over and over, like Brady Bunch.

My favorite golden oldie jingle is a lovely one from Burger King. And I'm not being sarcastic... it was sung beautifully, and the music was soaring rather than annoying. I don't remember the pictures, but I know the whole song.

Two hundred million people, no two are quite the same
Each doin' things their own way, each plays a different game.
Well, most agree on some things, but all agree, they say...
Everybody loves a burger, when you can have it fixed your way

*dramatic pause*

Thats.....why....
America loves burgers, and we're America's Burger King!
Oh, yes, America loves burgers, and we're America's Burger King!

You can love 'em big or love 'em small
with everything or nothin' at all
Oh, America loves burgers, and we're America's Burger King!!!






Hmm... I think I just gave myself a song virus...



*sighs*

[seajoy]

Don't forget the Lutefisk and Lefse for us Norwegians. You need a lot of Beer to go with Lutefisk so that you have a better chance of not remembering the experience...:yum:
Just what Lutherans need....another reason to drink beer! :doh: ^_^

[DaSeminarian]

had the little cousin who looked like John Denver, as I recall


You mean Robbie Rist?

[seajoy]

hehe synger! you are funny. :D

[RegularGuy]

Just what Lutherans need....another reason to drink beer! :doh: ^_^
Who needs a reason?

Being Lutheran is reason enough.

[seajoy]

Who needs a reason?

Being Lutheran is reason enough.
I think this is the first time I totally agree with you! ^_^

[BabyLutheran]

Who needs a reason?

Being Lutheran is reason enough.
If I had known this 3 years ago, I would have not gone through the struggles to find a denomination to change to. Who cares about the theology!

This would have made it so easy. If you publicize it you will have droves of converts...lol

[PreachersWife2004]

So the common bond between all Lutherans is.......FOOD!

So....Conservatives and Liberals can get along quite nicely as long as their mouths remain full.

I am SO stealing that last line for my signature or my custom caption.

[DaRev]

Who needs a reason?

Being Lutheran is reason enough.

Das ist am meisten sicher wahr!! :thumbsup:

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Don't forget the Lutefisk and Lefse for us Norwegians. You need a lot of Beer to go with Lutefisk so that you have a better chance of not remembering the experience...:yum:

Beer!:thumbsup: I agree!.... Lutefisk... the container it came in would be more palatable:P.

[porterross]

I thought the common bond was BEER!?

Make mine a Guiness Stout
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a4/250px-Hooraybeer.jpg

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Beer!:thumbsup: I agree!.... Lutefisk... the container it came in would be more palatable:P.

How the heck is Lutefisk made anyway?:scratch:... or should I ask?

[Jim47]

How the heck is Lutefisk made anyway?:scratch:... or should I ask?


I'm afraid to try it after all the bad rap its gotten here. My stomach may not be strong enough ^_^

[RegularGuy]

How the heck is Lutefisk made anyway?:scratch:... or should I ask?
Well...you start with a perfectly good cod...then pack it in lime and bury it until it becomes gelatinous and inedible.

Then you throw it to the Norwegians...:P

:D

Edit: In the interest of full disclosure, I should point out that I am a Scots-Irish Lutheran and think that haggis is not only a delicacy, but also edible.

[maylor]

I am SO stealing that last line for my signature or my custom caption.

I don't think there's a copyright on it....

How the heck is Lutefisk made anyway?:scratch:... or should I ask?

Take perfectly good fish, soak it in poison, eat.

[RegularGuy]

I think this is the first time I totally agree with you! ^_^
I'm sure we agree on many things: Justification by grace through faith, infant Baptism, the Real Presence of Christ in Holy Communion, A Mighty Fortress is Our God, the need to distinguish Law and Gospel, the correct number of Sacraments...

We may even agree as to whether Jell-O is a salad or a dessert.

I think a lot of the acrimony between our church bodies can be summed up thus: Nobody fights like family.

[RevCowboy]

How the heck is Lutefisk made anyway?:scratch:... or should I ask?

Oh you asked, so I am going to tell you! Although I leave the Lutefisk cooking up to my Grandmother, Mother and Aunts.

I found this helpful article on Wikipedia:

Preparation

Lutefisk is made from air-dried whitefish (normally cod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod), but ling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ling) is also used), prepared with lye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lye), in a sequence of particular treatments. The first treatment is to soak the stockfish in cold water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water) for five to six days (with the water changed daily). The saturated stockfish is then soaked in an unchanged solution of cold water and lye for an additional two days. The fish will swell during this soaking, attaining an even larger size than in its original (undried) state, while its protein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein) content decreases by more than 50 percent, producing its famous jelly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatin)-like consistency. When this treatment is finished, the fish (saturated with lye) has a pH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH) value of 11–12, and is therefore caustic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causticity). To make the fish edible, a final treatment of yet another four to six days of soaking in cold water (also changed daily) is needed. Eventually, the lutefisk is ready to be cooked.



Cooking

After the preparation, the lutefisk is saturated with water and must therefore be cooked carefully so that it does not fall into pieces.
Lutefisk does not need any additional water for the cooking; it is sufficient to place it in a pan, salt it, seal the lid tightly, and let it steam cook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steaming) under a very low heat for 20–25 minutes. It is also possible to do this in an oven. There, the fish is put in an ovenproof dish, covered with aluminium foil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_foil), and baked at 225 °C (435 °F) for 40–50 minutes.
Another option is to parboil lutefisk. Wrap the lutefisk in cheesecloth and gently boil until tender. This usually takes a very short time, so care must be taken to watch the fish and remove it before it is ready to fall apart. Prepare a white sauce to serve over the lutefisk.
Lutefisk sold in North America may also be cooked in a microwave oven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven). The average cooking time is 8-10 minutes per whole fish (a package of two fish sides) at high power in a covered glass cooking dish, preferably made of heat resistant glass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex). The cooking time will vary, depending upon the power of the microwave oven.
When cooking and eating lutefisk, it is important to clean the lutefisk and its residue off of pans, plates, and utensils immediately. Lutefisk left overnight becomes nearly impossible to remove. Sterling silver should never be used in the cooking, serving or eating of lutefisk, which will permanently ruin silver. Stainless steel utensils are recommended instead.
The most popular method of consumption is to serve Lutefisk is drenched in melted butter. And its true, if you cook Lutefisk in pan, instead of baking it, your cookware and untensils will stink for weeks.:yum:

Many Norwegian pietists eat it at Christmas to make sure that they don't enjoy the celebration too much!

[RegularGuy]

OldLutheran.com was selling a t-shirt for a while that said:

"Lutefisk: The Piece of Cod that Passes All Understanding"

My (1/2 Norwegian) nephew wears one.

[porterross]

Well...you start with a perfectly good cod...then pack it in lime and bury it until it becomes gelatinous and inedible.

Then you throw it to the Norwegians...:P

:D

Edit: In the interest of full disclosure, I should point out that I am a Scots-Irish Lutheran and think that haggis is not only a delicacy, but also edible.


Haggis isn't that bad, but black pudding is downright disgustin'. It's the one item on the breakfast buffet that doesn't run out. :sick:

[PreachersWife2004]

I stopped reading the ingredients after I read LYE. Isn't that, like, deathly poisonous?!?!?!?!?

:sick:

Oh, hey, look, we've derailed yet another thread. Hee!!

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Oh you asked, so I am going to tell you! Although I leave the Lutefisk cooking up to my Grandmother, Mother and Aunts.

I found this helpful article on Wikipedia:

The most popular method of consumption is to serve Lutefisk is drenched in melted butter. And its true, if you cook Lutefisk in pan, instead of baking it, your cookware and untensils will stink for weeks.:yum:

Many Norwegian pietists eat it at Christmas to make sure that they don't enjoy the celebration too much!

This sounds almost as palatable as my Grandfathers recipe for Carp:

Catch a good sized one, about 15 lb. or so.
Gut and thoroughly wash.
Stuff the cavity with horse s***, and bake at about 375 for two hours.

When done remove and set the stuffing aside, and throw away the fish!:sick:

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Haggis isn't that bad, but black pudding is downright disgustin'. It's the one item on the breakfast buffet that doesn't run out. :sick:

Blut wurst is OK, Headcheese is Better!:P:thumbsup:

[RadMan]

This sounds almost as palatable as my Grandfathers recipe for Carp:

Catch a good sized one, about 15 lb. or so.
Gut and thoroughly wash.
Stuff the cavity with horse s***, and bake at about 375 for two hours.

When done remove and set the stuffing aside, and throw away the fish!:sick:LOL--My Grandpa was an avid fisherman and that is almost the same recipe that he gave me 50 years ago for carp.

[seajoy]

I'm sure we agree on many things: Justification by grace through faith, infant Baptism, the Real Presence of Christ in Holy Communion, A Mighty Fortress is Our God, the need to distinguish Law and Gospel, the correct number of Sacraments...

We may even agree as to whether Jell-O is a salad or a dessert.

I think a lot of the acrimony between our church bodies can be summed up thus: Nobody fights like family.
Indeed. :)

[DaSeminarian]

OldLutheran.com was selling a t-shirt for a while that said:

"Lutefisk: The Piece of Cod that Passes All Understanding"

My (1/2 Norwegian) nephew wears one.


Well it passes something, but I am pretty sure its not understanding. ;)

[seajoy]

I just noticed something....are MarkR and Rad twins? What a resemblance! ^_^ :D ^_^

[DaSeminarian]

I just noticed something....are MarkR and Rad twins? What a resemblance! ^_^ :D ^_^


Maybe they ate that Cod that passes stuff that's supposed to be understanding. (but it really isn't)

[DaRev]

After reading all of this I sure am glad I'm in a Slovak congregation. The only thing I have to stomach is the cabbage! ^_^

[Melethiel]

What's wrong with cabbage? :yum:

[BabyLutheran]

What's wrong with cabbage? :yum:
Just when we were starting to get along good together...

Another deep debate comes along. lol

[Jim47]

What's wrong with cabbage? :yum:


Nothing if its raw and in the form of slaw :P

other wise it stinks ^_^

I won't allow my wife to cook it in our house for that very reason.

[Melethiel]

Cooked cabbage is fantastic if done properly.
I cook cabbage in golubtsi, borsch...

[Aibrean]

While we are conservative, we like to talk liberally :D

[DaRev]

Ever had halupki or halushki?

[PreachersWife2004]

Ever had halupki or halushki?

Gesundheit.

[Melethiel]

Ever had halupki or halushki?
Would those be cabbage rolls with meat and rice? If so, I know them under the name of golubtsi/holubtsi (голубці))

[maylor]

Ever had halupki or halushki?

Gesundheit.

Ha Ha Ha, that's funny! I was gonna say: " only once, but the doctor said it wasn't contagious".

[DaRev]

Halupki is. Halushki is noodles and chopped cabbage and some other stuff all cooked together.

[Edial]

What's wrong with cabbage? :yum:
Nothing's wrong with it in itself ...
It is great raw or in borsht.

But the way we sometimes prepare it, ... we butchered the poor vegetable. :liturgy:

We fry cabbage.
And then we acquire this new taste and think that it is good.
(It'd be interesting to look up how fried cabbage recipe came about).

I do not know anybody who tried fried cabbage for the first time and loved it ... of course, I could say the same thing about beer. :)

I really cannot think of one food that stinks while being prepared and delicious at the same time.

[BabyLutheran]

Don't complain about the smell of cooking cabbage until you have smelled collard greens cooking. Cabbage smells like roses compared to that

[DaSeminarian]

Don't complain about the smell of cooking cabbage until you have smelled collard greens cooking. Cabbage smells like roses compared to that


As a Yankee married to a Confederate, I find collared greens cooked with EVOO and Garlic to be a very good thing (I don't think it smells bad.)

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Nothing's wrong with it in itself ...
It is great raw or in borsht.

But the way we sometimes prepare it, ... we butchered the poor vegetable. :liturgy:

We fry cabbage.
And then we acquire this new taste and think that it is good.
(It'd be interesting to look up how fried cabbage recipe came about).

I do not know anybody who tried fried cabbage for the first time and loved it ... of course, I could say the same thing about beer. :)

I really cannot think of one food that stinks while being prepared and delicious at the same time.

Well... There is Limburger aged in a sealed container on top of the fridge! Fantastic!, an spreads like warm butter.:thumbsup:

[BabyLutheran]

As a Yankee married to a Confederate, I find collared greens cooked with EVOO and Garlic to be a very good thing (I don't think it smells bad.)
It only smells bad to me when its cooking. The taste is awesome.

[LilLamb219]

I find it funny that the women are talking about dieting in the subforum and the majority of the guys are talking about eating in here (yeah, a couple women too) ;)

[BabyLutheran]

but cabbage is very low cal

[DaRev]

Did y'all know that cabbage, kale, collard, brussles sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, and kohlrabi are all varities of the same common weed?

[BabyLutheran]

My life is complete now! lol

Actually I like most of those listed except brussel sprouts

[LilLamb219]

but cabbage is very low cal

and makes one quite gassy as well :blush:

[LutheranMafia]

Roughage!

Anyone ever see Fiber - the Musical on Saturday Night Live? "Brush out your system! Brush out your system!"

[DaSeminarian]

Did y'all know that cabbage, kale, collard, brussles sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, and kohlrabi are all varities of the same common weed?

So is that where you put your weed DaRev? (thinking of Adam Sandlers character from Saturday Night Live)

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I just noticed something....are MarkR and Rad twins? What a resemblance!

Are you implying that Rad is a graying, bald, crusty old fart?
:D^_^^_^^_^:D

[Jim47]

Well, he is greying, bald and crusty heh? ^_^

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Are you implying that Rad is a graying, bald, crusty old fart?
:D

Well, he is greying, bald and crusty heh? ^_^

He's either a long lost relative, or it's just the German gene pool rearing it's ugly (bald) head.
:idea::D:D

[synger]

I stopped reading the ingredients after I read LYE. Isn't that, like, deathly poisonous?!?!?!?!?

:sick:

Oh, hey, look, we've derailed yet another thread. Hee!!
Actually, lye is useful in a couple of food preparations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hydroxide#Food_preparation), so long as it is rinsed out VERY thoroughly.

To make hominy, for instance, you soak dried corn kernels in lye until they soften and the hulls come off. Once that's rinsed well, you have hominy (and if you then dry those hominy kernels and grind them into meal, you have hominy grits). Other uses are a wash in a mild lye bath for german pretzels (to give them their distinctive crust). It's also used to chemically peel certain fruits and vegetables, probably for canning/freezing or further preparation.

[synger]

Nothing's wrong with it in itself ...
It is great raw or in borsht.

But the way we sometimes prepare it, ... we butchered the poor vegetable. :liturgy:

We fry cabbage.
And then we acquire this new taste and think that it is good.
(It'd be interesting to look up how fried cabbage recipe came about).

I do not know anybody who tried fried cabbage for the first time and loved it ... of course, I could say the same thing about beer. :)

I really cannot think of one food that stinks while being prepared and delicious at the same time.

I completely wowed a veggie-hater with a form of fried cabbage when he came over for dinner years ago. He was being polite, so he ate one mouthful. He ended up asking for more. His wife was amazed. And no, it wasn't stinky. It was basically knife-shredded cabbage, stir-fried with oil, ground sesame seeds, and a dash of red pepper. It didn't cook forever, so it didn't give up its sulfurous stench. It was tender-crisp, and the sesame added a lovely undertaste.

Don't complain about the smell of cooking cabbage until you have smelled collard greens cooking. Cabbage smells like roses compared to that

Did y'all know that cabbage, kale, collard, brussles sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, and kohlrabi are all varities of the same common weed?

Exactly. That's why collard greens have a similar aroma when cooked. And traditionally, greens are cooked a LONG time (because they need to be tenderized), so all the volatile sulfur compounds are released as smell. All the cruciferous vegetables, the ones listed by DaRev above, have the same problem if you overcook them.

It's all in how long you cook it. Lightly fried it's almost nothing (no more than the sulfur in onions, per se). But on days I make boiled dinner, and the cabbage cooks longer, the whole house reeks of it.

but it's a GOOD stink. *grins* I love boiled dinner.

[maylor]

Fried cabbage is delicious. Since this has become a food thread, the following is my latest left over dinner recipe.

I grill pork chops once a week. I always have left overs.
Take left over chop, dice, put in skillet.
turn on medium heat, wait till you hear it sizzle.
peel and dice half an apple. add to skillet.
sprinkle on cinnamon and one heaping tablespoon of brown sugar. cook for another 3-5 minutes.

If your German add some saurkraut and cook for one more minute.

Just after I add the Cinnamon and sugar, I can always count on my wife and children to come into the kitchen with mouths watering!

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Fried cabbage is delicious. Since this has become a food thread, the following is my latest left over dinner recipe.

I grill pork chops once a week. I always have left overs.
Take left over chop, dice, put in skillet.
turn on medium heat, wait till you hear it sizzle.
peel and dice half an apple. add to skillet.
sprinkle on cinnamon and one heaping tablespoon of brown sugar. cook for another 3-5 minutes.

If your German add some saurkraut and cook for one more minute.

Just after I add the Cinnamon and sugar, I can always count on my wife and children to come into the kitchen with mouths watering!

Now that sounds good, my mouth is watering now!:thumbsup: