Can a Calvinist prove John Calvin was a person Christ died for?

[rockytrails]

would not a calvanist have to go to The lutherans for absolute assurance that John calvin indeed was a person Christ died for?

[TexasSky]

would not a calvanist have to go to The lutherans for absolute assurance that John calvin indeed was a person Christ died for?
Why would they have to do that?

Calvinists believe that Christ died for all sinners, and that He offers grace to everyone, but that only those who accept his offer of grace experience salvation.

Since Calvinists also believe that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that Christ died for ALL sinners, they would naturally include John Calvin.

Whether or not John accepted Christ is known, honestly, only by Christ and John.

[rockytrails]

Why would they have to do that?

Calvinists believe that Christ died for all sinners, and that He offers grace to everyone, but that only those who accept his offer of grace experience salvation.

Since Calvinists also believe that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that Christ died for ALL sinners, they would naturally include John Calvin.

Whether or not John accepted Christ is known, honestly, only by Christ and John.
So calvanists no longer believe like Lutherans in the total depravity of man ?That man being dead in sin is not able to choose the things of God such as being forgiven through Jesus his bloody death and rightiouslife for us ?

Iam plesantly surprised that the modern day calvinist's is becoming so Lutheran now in their views and are rejecting the L of limited atonement so prevelent of the old tulip calvinist theology.

[McWilliams]

Calvinists believe that Christ died for all sinners, and that He offers grace to everyone, but that only those who accept his offer of grace experience salvation.

Wrong, Calvinists believe according to scripture that Christ died for His own, the elect!

[Elderone]

Why would they have to do that?

Calvinists believe that Christ died for all sinners, and that He offers grace to everyone, but that only those who accept his offer of grace experience salvation.

Since Calvinists also believe that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that Christ died for ALL sinners, they would naturally include John Calvin.

Whether or not John accepted Christ is known, honestly, only by Christ and John.

None of this is what Calvinists believe, except for a portion of the last line which says, "only by Christ and John".

So calvanists no longer believe like Lutherans in the total depravity of man ?That man being dead in sin is not able to choose the things of God such as being forgiven through Jesus his bloody death and rightiouslife for us ?

Iam plesantly surprised that the modern day calvinist's is becoming so Lutheran now in their views and are rejecting the L of limited atonement so prevelent of the old tulip calvinist theology.Calvinists believe in Total depravity. Man being dead in sin is NOT able to chose the things of God.

Modern day Calvinists are not becoming Lutheran and are not rejecting the L of Limited Atonement.

Be careful of non Calvinists and their answers as to what Calvinists believe.

[rockytrails]

None of this is what Calvinists believe, except for a portion of the last line which says, "only by Christ and John".

Calvinists believe in Total depravity. Man being dead in sin is NOT able to chose the things of God.

Modern day Calvinists are not becoming Lutheran and are not rejecting the L of Limited Atonement.

Be careful of non Calvinists and their answers as to what Calvinists believe.
Actualy I was waiting for some one. Just like you who knew what calvinist's realy believed to Jump in and clear this up. since i could not since i am not a christian calvinist.
but a christian lutheran in faith

[heymikey80]

would not a calvanist have to go to The lutherans for absolute assurance that John calvin indeed was a person Christ died for?
You have universal assurance in a possibility -- that's not assurance at all, it's just absolute assurance that you might get something from God.

I have absolute assurance in a reality. John Calvin related and expressed a faith in Jesus Christ. On the basis of Calvin's faith there is absolute assurance from Whom it's impossible that He should lie.

Your assurance is a broad possibility. My assurance is a definite actuality. I find the definite actuality to be absolute, not some conditional possibility.

[rockytrails]

You have universal assurance in a possibility -- that's not assurance at all, it's just absolute assurance that you might get something from God.

I have absolute assurance in a reality. John Calvin related and expressed a faith in Jesus Christ. On the basis of Calvin's faith there is absolute assurance from Whom it's impossible that He should lie.

Your assurance is a broad possibility. My assurance is a definite actuality. I find the definite actuality to be absolute, not some conditional possibility.


Sorry cant answer you some one on your side will report me again .
This is not a place for debate.

[Canuckmom]

Actualy I was waiting for some one. Just like you who knew what calvinist's realy believed to Jump in and clear this up. since i could not since i am not a christian calvinist.
but a christian lutheran in faith

I know that sometimes we need labels to clarify things, but I don't care much for the term Calvinist. John Calvin did not invent limited atonement or total depravity, it was all in the Scripture long before Calvin. I prefer the term Doctrines of Grace. :)

[TraderJack]

would not a calvanist have to go to The lutherans for absolute assurance that John calvin indeed was a person Christ died for?

Since we are all born ungodly sinners and sin because we are sinners, which includes Calvin, me, you and everyone born of Adam, Christ died for the ungodly and to call sinners to repentance.

Romans 5:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=5&verse=6&version=50&context=verse)
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.


Matthew 9:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=9&verse=13&version=50&context=verse)
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”


Mark 2:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=48&chapter=2&verse=17&version=50&context=verse)
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”


Luke 5:32 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=49&chapter=5&verse=32&version=50&context=verse)
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

[unpardoned1]

Calvinists believe that Christ died for all sinners, and that He offers grace to everyone, but that only those who accept his offer of grace experience salvation.


No, Calvinists believe that God only died for some and therefore only those will accept Him, they have no choice. The ones that He didn't die for will not accept Him because they have no choice either. -In a nutshell!