A Question For Staff Members

[Auntie]

What is the estimated monetary value of your work here?

Based on a minimum of $10.00 per hour, times an estimated number of hours you work here every week, times 52 weeks, what would you estimate your annual monetary value is to this website?

[Angeldove97]

I would say I put in roughly on average 4 hours per day here. So 28 hours a week, which is $280 a week at the $10 rate. That adds up to: $14,560 a year.

Talk about dedication :P

[Richard]

I would say I put in roughly on average 4 hours per day here. So 28 hours a week, which is $280 a week at the $10 rate. That adds up to: $14,560 a year.

Talk about dedication :P

Plus Overtime! ^_^

[Auntie]

I would say I put in roughly on average 4 hours per day here. So 28 hours a week, which is $280 a week at the $10 rate. That adds up to: $14,560 a year.

Talk about dedication :P


aaack!!! Well, see, that's what I'm saying.........

Just one person, their labor is over $14,000.00.

And that's based on a minimum $10. bucks an hour.

Multiply that by 196 employee's. It gets close to 3 million dollars annual. $2,744,000.00

[Richard]

aaack!!! Well, see, that's what I'm saying.........

Just one person, their labor is over $14,000.00.

And that's based on a minimum $10. bucks an hour.

Multiply that by 196 employee's. It gets close to 3 million dollars annual. $2,744,000.00

Wow! And you gotta think that if this was a real business, the uppers would be on salaries and not by the hour. So that would add even more.

[Auntie]

Wow! And you gotta think that if this was a real business, the uppers would be on salaries and not by the hour. So that would add even more.

LOL! :D This IS a real business! :D

[Richard]

LOL! :D This IS a real business! :D

Okay a real business with employees instead of volunteers :D

[ravenscape]

I wish there were 196 staff members. The actual count is probably more like 160- 170. If you look at the team counts inside a team page versus the numbers on the "all teams" page, there's some significant inflation. The Ecumenical Team has 44 members, but shows 52 on the main staff page. Support has 9 members (1 up from earlier today!) but the main page says "13".

[arborvita]

well then you have staffers like me when I average most days 6 - 7 hours a day because I get to be online while I work.

Going for 6 hours is 60 bucks a day 420 a week = 21840.00
at 7 hours a day it is 25480.00 in a year. :)

[Richard]

I like to look at it this way....

As Moderators we are required to be online 1 hour a night for 4 nights ( stated in the Mod Application ).

I spend about 6 to 8 hours a day on CF because I also get on at work and then into the night sometimes ( Yes, I have no life ;) ). So that would be about 40ish hours a week. When we are only required 4. Look at 36 hours of over time for 15 dollars an hour.

15 x 36 = 540
10 x 4 = 40 = 580

580 x 52 = 28k a year :D

But I love being a volunteer! Wouldn't of applied if I didn't.

[Redeemed_Warrior]

Well when i was a Debate supervisor I'd put in about 8-10 hours everyday

8 hours x7 x52 = $29120
10 hours x 7 x 52 $36K

NOT Including all the training/recruiting I did on behalf of the Debate Team

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Thank you, Auntie. I've often wondered what the price of a clean conscience and a pure soul was. Ten bucks.

A bargain.

[chaoschristian]

Thank you, Auntie. I've often wondered what the price of a clean conscience and a pure soul was. Ten bucks.

A bargain.

Domain Name: $7000
Domain Servers:$10,000
Server Software: $5000

Being able to seperate the wheat from tares: priceless.

[Auntie]

well then you have staffers like me when I average most days 6 - 7 hours a day because I get to be online while I work.

Going for 6 hours is 60 bucks a day 420 a week = 21840.00
at 7 hours a day it is 25480.00 in a year. :)

I like to look at it this way....

As Moderators we are required to be online 1 hour a night for 4 nights ( stated in the Mod Application ).

I spend about 6 to 8 hours a day on CF because I also get on at work and then into the night sometimes ( Yes, I have no life ;) ). So that would be about 40ish hours a week. When we are only required 4. Look at 36 hours of over time for 15 dollars an hour.

15 x 36 = 540
10 x 4 = 40 = 580

580 x 52 = 28k a year :D

But I love being a volunteer! Wouldn't of applied if I didn't.

Well when i was a Debate supervisor I'd put in about 8-10 hours everyday

8 hours x7 x52 = $29120
10 hours x 7 x 52 $36K

NOT Including all the training/recruiting I did on behalf of the Debate Team


Okay, BAM, now we are getting closer to the true facts.

When I was a mod, I know I was here at least 8-10 hours a day. I was dedicated. Most mods are.

Using Raven's head count, 160 mods x a minimum of 8 hours a day = 1280 hours per day. Times $10. bucks per hour = $12,800.00 per day.

$12,800.00 per day times 365 = $4,672,000.00

Almost 5 million dollars.

Lee Dodd is making close to 5 million dollars off free labor. Even if you shave it off a bit, at a minimum, Lee is making close to $4 million dollars free labor.

Four million dollars free labor. Think about it.

[Richard]

Okay, BAM, now we are getting closer to the true facts.

When I was a mod, I know I was here at least 8-10 hours a day. I was dedicated. Most mods are.

Using Raven's head count, 160 mods x a minimum of 8 hours a day = 1280 hours per day. Times $10. bucks per hour = $12,800.00 per day.

$12,800.00 per day times 365 = $4,672,000.00

Almost 5 million dollars.

Lee Dodd is making close to 5 million dollars off free labor. Even if you shave it off a bit, at a minimum, Lee is making close to $4 million dollars free labor.

Four million dollars free labor. Think about it.

We going to look at all the other businesses that survive off of volunteers though? Why are we even thinking about it ? Just a thought.

[ladyt28]

First off - why isn't anyone debating the $10/hour "rate"? I would say for the sake of discussion to do a range of rates - starting with minimum wage. Now, when I worked on an ambulance, we were 'volunteers' who were paid 50 cents an hour paid out twice a year.

[TheDag]

We going to look at all the other businesses that survive off of volunteers though? Why are we even thinking about it ? Just a thought.
I agree I'd be interested in knowing what Auntie is getting at. Think of all the volunteer organisations in the world. A leader of a particular volunteer organisation was having a meeting with the Prime Minister of Australia once and she said to him "If you had to pay us volunteers you couldn't afford it." It was shortly after this that a number of things were done to recognise volunteers. Take Lions International. They are a volunteer organisation (where membership must be approved though) and they actually finance hospitals. Thats alot of money. They also do things at local community level. So Auntie how bout it. How bout coming straight out with your point?

[Mary_Magdalene]

Well when i was a Debate supervisor I'd put in about 8-10 hours everyday

8 hours x7 x52 = $29120
10 hours x 7 x 52 $36K

NOT Including all the training/recruiting I did on behalf of the Debate Team

did you go by the same user name then? :confused:

[Auntie]

I agree I'd be interested in knowing what Auntie is getting at. Think of all the volunteer organisations in the world. A leader of a particular volunteer organisation was having a meeting with the Prime Minister of Australia once and she said to him "If you had to pay us volunteers you couldn't afford it." It was shortly after this that a number of things were done to recognise volunteers. Take Lions International. They are a volunteer organisation (where membership must be approved though) and they actually finance hospitals. Thats alot of money. They also do things at local community level. So Auntie how bout it. How bout coming straight out with your point?


Hi The Dag. :) My point is to get people to think, that's all.:)


Let's play a game.


The Dag is a multi-millionaire for profit organization. He made his millions by making smart business decisions. He has a team of people who work for him, and he pays them handsomely for their dedicated and tireless hours of work. When The Dag lays down to sleep at night, he has the sweetest dreams of all the people he has helped, and thanks God for all his blessings.


OR,

The Dag is a multi-millionaire for profit organization. He made his millions by neglecting to pay the people who work hard for him. He comforts himself by telling himself his workers consider themselves volunteers. And when he does his annual assets and liability sheet, the unpaid workers go into his assets column. An asset to him, and him alone.

[OddBeani]

Auntie:

I have to say this...good points you have raised.

[Auntie]

First off - why isn't anyone debating the $10/hour "rate"? I would say for the sake of discussion to do a range of rates - starting with minimum wage. Now, when I worked on an ambulance, we were 'volunteers' who were paid 50 cents an hour paid out twice a year.


So rachet it down to $7.00 an hour. Or $6.00 Or $5.00

$5.00 an hour x 160 workers x 8 hours a day = $6,400.00 a day. x 365 days = $2,336,000.00



Over 2 and a half million dollars worth of free labor for a millionaire for profit company.

I wouldn't compare non-profit hospital work to a for-profit online business.

Hospital work, ambulence work, Lions International, etc., are all wonderful works of mercy.

This website is not a work of mercy.

This website is about making ONE man very very rich. At the expense of workers, of some whom are one day away from being homeless.

[Mary_Magdalene]

did you go by the same user name then? :confused:

awwwa!!!! forget my post! i thought that was you (had to go to your blog to be sure). :P

i knew your post was familiar! lol... :hug:

[Mary_Magdalene]

So rachet it down to $7.00 an hour. Or $6.00 Or $5.00

$5.00 an hour x 160 workers x 8 hours a day = $6,400.00 a day. x 365 days = $2,336,000.00



Over 2 and a half million dollars worth of free labor for a millionaire for profit company.

I wouldn't compare non-profit hospital work to a for-profit online business.

Hospital work, ambulence work, Lions International, etc., are all wonderful works of mercy.

This website is not a work of mercy.

This website is about making ONE man very very rich. At the expense of workers, of some whom are one day away from being homeless.

awww...it must be okay to do! At least it has the word "Christian" in it!:sigh:

[Auntie]

awww...it must be okay to do! At least it has the word "Christian" in it!:sigh:


A BIG reason why I feel so compassionate about this is because I know of a few staff members here who are very near being homeless.:( And just a few dollars for their hard work could mean the difference between having a roof over their heads and a little food in their stomachs. :sigh:

Mercy begins at home. Let us have mercy on our hard workers here. :sigh:

[ladyt28]

And those people choose to do this. If they want to get paid, then I suggest they go and get a paying job. People have different motivations for choosing to do volunteer work. Did you question this when Erwin was running the site or just now because you are so unhappy with some of the changes around here? Are you a member of other forums and, if so, do you ask the same question there as well? I'm sorry but this is coming across to me as sour grapes.

[Auntie]

And those people choose to do this. If they want to get paid, then I suggest they go and get a paying job. People have different motivations for choosing to do volunteer work. Did you question this when Erwin was running the site or just now because you are so unhappy with some of the changes around here? Are you a member of other forums and, if so, do you ask the same question there as well? I'm sorry but this is coming across to me as sour grapes.


Personally, I have nothing to be sour about. I have a good business with a good income.

As for this site, my concern is only by way of my Savior Jesus, and His teachings. And His Will as to how we should bless our Bretheren. Many of Jesus's teachings had to do with how we pay our workers. None of which included not paying our workers. The very idea of not paying our workers didn't even enter into His vocabulary.

[TheDag]

Personally, I have nothing to be sour about. I have a good business with a good income.

As for this site, my concern is only by way of my Savior Jesus, and His teachings. And His Will as to how we should bless our Bretheren. Many of Jesus's teachings had to do with how we pay our workers. None of which included not paying our workers. The very idea of not paying our workers didn't even enter into His vocabulary.
I see no mention at all of the disciples being paidto hang around JC while he was here on earth.

For those staff you know who are nearly homeless and having a few dollars would make all the difference is that before or after the money you give them? I remember Jesus saying the Son of Man has no place to rest his head. Or in other words he was homeless as well. In all honesty if it was only a few dollars a week making the difference then they could afford to disconnect their internet. It is possible that some staff use public internet only to access this but that would make it difficult to do the job of a staff member especially if they put in the amount of time most staff seem to be putting in.


Also can you provide your evidence that Lee is making millions from owning this site. Yes I'm sure he is making money from it but certainly would question the amount. Knowing that Lee has several other business intrests then yes he may be making a million in total but certainly not from this site alone. I could be wrong and will happily admit I'm wrong once evidence is posted. However I am aware of roughly how much you get for the ads appearing on the screen and generally you only get paid if people actually folow the ads. The amount of money from site supporters is not significant to make this a million dollar business. I do think it is great that you are concerned about the welfare of the staff and applaud you for that.

[Redeemed_Warrior]

awwwa!!!! forget my post! i thought that was you (had to go to your blog to be sure). :P

i knew your post was familiar! lol... :hug:
^_^ Yep I'm undercover ;)

See you changed your name also

[Mary_Magdalene]

A BIG reason why I feel so compassionate about this is because I know of a few staff members here who are very near being homeless.:( And just a few dollars for their hard work could mean the difference between having a roof over their heads and a little food in their stomachs. :sigh:

Mercy begins at home. Let us have mercy on our hard workers here. :sigh:

i hope everyone knows i was being sarcastic. :P i think that if this site was a ministry, then no payment necessary. i was on staff because i felt led by the Holy Spirit to minister to others that way.

now, if this site is not a ministry, i guess that is different. :|

[TheDag]

Over 2 and a half million dollars worth of free labor for a millionaire for profit company.

I wouldn't compare non-profit hospital work to a for-profit online business.

Hospital work, ambulence work, Lions International, etc., are all wonderful works of mercy.

This website is not a work of mercy.

This website is about making ONE man very very rich. At the expense of workers, of some whom are one day away from being homeless.
Last night I was thinking about this some more. In any discussion about if non-christians should be allowed on staff or not you would see heaps of staff and former staff calling it a ministry. Many don't get paid for their ministry. If it is a ministry God has lead them to then we can compare it to hospital work and Lions International. Of course some people are paid for their ministry. Others have a ministry in the place where they work for a secular company. So to say they should be paid for their work does not neccesarily follow. Especially when it is known for a fact beforehand that they won't be paid. As I said previously it is great that you care so much about these people who are struggling.

[Auntie]

Last night I was thinking about this some more. In any discussion about if non-christians should be allowed on staff or not you would see heaps of staff and former staff calling it a ministry. Many don't get paid for their ministry. If it is a ministry God has lead them to then we can compare it to hospital work and Lions International. Of course some people are paid for their ministry. Others have a ministry in the place where they work for a secular company. So to say they should be paid for their work does not neccesarily follow. Especially when it is known for a fact beforehand that they won't be paid. As I said previously it is great that you care so much about these people who are struggling.


In my mind, this is a WWJD thing. Lee Dodd stated when he first bought CF that his income at his other 5 websites was $6,000.00 per day. You can look that up and find it. $6,000.00 per day x 365 days = $2,190,000.00 annual. That was before he aquired CF.

And, in my mind, it all boils down to, what would you do? If you were making millions off the work of others, would you pay them? I know I would.

[ladyt28]

Did you question this when Erwin was running the site or just now because you are so unhappy with some of the changes around here? Are you a member of other forums and, if so, do you ask the same question there as well?
Auntie - you never answered this. I did not mean to suggest sour grapes as in You thought You should get paid but rather sour grapes because you are unhappy with what Lee has done with the site and just want to find a way to criticize it. How do you know he isn't using that money in other ways to minister or be charitable? :confused:

[Auntie]

Auntie - you never answered this. I did not mean to suggest sour grapes as in You thought You should get paid but rather sour grapes because you are unhappy with what Lee has done with the site and just want to find a way to criticize it. How do you know he isn't using that money in other ways to minister or be charitable? :confused:

Hi Lady. :) Really, my thoughts are for those who dedicate many tireless hours here. And what I would do if I was in the shoes of LeeD.

And this thread will have 2 possible outcomes. One, absolutely nothing will happen. Two, LeeD will read this thread and decide he should pay something to those who work so hard for him. Those who enable him to be the millionaire he is.

I seriously doubt #2 will happen.

But it has been an eye opener to me, to see the actual monetary value of the staff members here. Their tireless work, valued at millions and millions of dollars, should be an eye opener to all of us here.

[Angel4Truth]

i hope everyone knows i was being sarcastic. :P i think that if this site was a ministry, then no payment necessary. i was on staff because i felt led by the Holy Spirit to minister to others that way.

now, if this site is not a ministry, i guess that is different. :|
Agreed my sister 100 percent

[Auntie]

i think that if this site was a ministry, then no payment necessary. i was on staff because i felt led by the Holy Spirit to minister to others that way.




So true.:) And if you owned this site, and felt like this site was truely a ministry, I am sure your tender heart would immediately give abundantly to those who had blessed you beyond mesure. It's a Jesus thing.:)

[Amoranemix]

Sorry to ruin the fun, but I very much doubt this is a million dollar business.

The figure of 2920 hours of work a year on average for each staff member is a grand exaggeration. People tend to exaggerate their exploits or dedication and it are those who work the most that are most likely to post here to boast about it. The staffer who is only working 4 hours a week is less likely to draw attention to him/herself. In addition, the time spent on the forum is not the same as the time spent working for it.

In addition, the duties of a staff member require no special skills and can be performed by almost anyone mastering English aged over 18. Hence it can be performed by people in countries where the minimum wages are far below those of the USA. Therefore I think 3$ an hour is more realistic than 5$.

15 hours a week times 50 weeks times 3$ times 160 staffers gives 360.000 a year. That is somewhat less than the millions and millions of dollars I have read about.

And, in my mind, it all boils down to, what would you do? If you were making millions off the work of others, would you pay them? I know I would.If I were in LeeD's shoes I probably wouldn't pay staff here either. I would probably look it into it to see if it could improve staff's effectiveness and it could even be an interesting experiment (and I am a fan of interesting experiments, but I am less enthusiastic when they nibble at my wallet), but it is unlikely that I would pay more than 2$ an hour, probably capped at a maximum per year.

Remember that the staff volunteers are compensated for their labour here, be it not with money but with privileges. However, wikiing is a tedious job for which there is no compensation and hence few people feel called.

[Bombila]

Amoranemix, I suspect it is a very profitable website. It's quite easy to find out a lot about Lee's businesses and their profitability with even a quick, basic internet search on his name. He is, quite legitimately, a businessman who has a good handle on how to make a web based forum/company profitable. He's reknowned for this, addresses business groups, is interviewed about his success, etc.

Auntie is expressing some things I've thought since the day the man bought CF. You cannot call CF a charity, because it isn't: it's for profit. Managing a for-profit business with volunteer labour is quite a feat, considering that most large non-profit charitable organizations have to pay a raft of administrators and other employees to co-ordinate their efforts, on top of their non-paid volunteers. Lee pays a few techs and no doubt an accountant or two. On top of that, there are the Site Supporters, and I seriously question the actual monetary value of the 'perks' they and the moderators receive.

The only thing that bothers me about this is that many loyal members on these forums really do seem oblivious to the profit motives of the owner, and oblivious to the monetary value to Lee of his many volunteer worker bees. Their attitude seems to be that making huge profits from a 'ministry' is fine, and maybe it is, although the tax structures of most countries give religious organizations a free ride, taxwise, partly on the assumption of non-profitability. Then they'll turn around and complain about the wealth of the Vatican.

Someone suggested that no doubt Lee puts some of his profit to work in charitable ways. That may be so, but he must be very shy about it, because although he has a large business related presence on the internet, I've seen no references to his charitable efforts at all.

To be clear, I've nothing against what Lee does - he's a clever man whose success harms no one, as far as I can tell. But I do dislike reading some of the more sycophantic posts some members, especially some moderators, produce - it makes me think, uncomfortably, that they are misled, unintentionally or not, about the owner's motives and their relevance to him.

[pastel]

If there are non-Christians moderating here, then this is not a ministry.

[Rep Daddy]

If there are non-Christians moderating here, then this is not a ministry.

The horse left that barn on 7-7-7.

[Bombila]

If there are non-Christians moderating here, then this is not a ministry.

If non Christian carpenters installed the steeple, it's not a church.

If a non Christian doctor cured you, you're not cured.

If the Bible printer is not a Christian, it's not a Bible.

Really, pastel, most of the duties of moderators are centred around keeping the peace and administering rules. It's been said many times that non Christian moderators refer actual religious questions that might arise in moderation to appropriately religious moderators. You talk as if non Christians were 'unclean', or at least incapable of judging run of the mill cranky, argumentaive human behaviour. It's insulting at the very least.

[A New Dawn]

Sorry to ruin the fun, but I very much doubt this is a million dollar business.

The figure of 2920 hours of work a year on average for each staff member is a grand exaggeration. People tend to exaggerate their exploits or dedication and it are those who work the most that are most likely to post here to boast about it. The staffer who is only working 4 hours a week is less likely to draw attention to him/herself. In addition, the time spent on the forum is not the same as the time spent working for it.

In addition, the duties of a staff member require no special skills and can be performed by almost anyone mastering English aged over 18. Hence it can be performed by people in countries where the minimum wages are far below those of the USA. Therefore I think 3$ an hour is more realistic than 5$.

15 hours a week times 50 weeks times 3$ times 160 staffers gives 360.000 a year. That is somewhat less than the millions and millions of dollars I have read about.

Remember that the staff volunteers are compensated for their labour here, be it not with money but with privileges. However, wikiing is a tedious job for which there is no compensation and hence few people feel called.

You need to remember that the people who volunteer come mainly from the US and other civilized countries where the minimum wage is over $7 an hour, and you need to get the volunteers where you find them. It matters not that underdeveloped countries make $3 per hour.

What privileges do staff have here? I know I did not have priviliges when I was on staff, less than a year ago.

[TheDag]

You need to remember that the people who volunteer come mainly from the US and other civilized countries where the minimum wage is over $7 an hour, and you need to get the volunteers where you find them. It matters not that underdeveloped countries make $3 per hour.

What privileges do staff have here? I know I did not have priviliges when I was on staff, less than a year ago.
ut if this was being run as a business and they chose who to employ then like alot of companies they would go where things suit them best which means using people from other countries where the minimum wage is smaller or there is no minimum wage. By the way I would be interested in how you define civil considering the various human rights declarations the US has not signed (which is better than my country who signed them on the condition they didn't have to follow certain ones).

It has often been mentioned before that staff had priveleges which have in the past included blessings and site supporter status which allows you to do things in posts nonsite supporters can't. Regardless of if it is admitted or not there has been a bias towards staff members in disputes. That is staff have often been innocent untiill proven guilty while members have been guilty untill they by themselves prove themselves innocent.

[A New Dawn]

ut if this was being run as a business and they chose who to employ then like alot of companies they would go where things suit them best which means using people from other countries where the minimum wage is smaller or there is no minimum wage. By the way I would be interested in how you define civil considering the various human rights declarations the US has not signed (which is better than my country who signed them on the condition they didn't have to follow certain ones).

It has often been mentioned before that staff had priveleges which have in the past included blessings and site supporter status which allows you to do things in posts nonsite supporters can't. Regardless of if it is admitted or not there has been a bias towards staff members in disputes. That is staff have often been innocent untiill proven guilty while members have been guilty untill they by themselves prove themselves innocent.

While civil might be the root word of civilized, civilized doesn't mean civil. (But good try.)

civilized
adjective: culturally advanced: having advanced cultural and social development
Encarta (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861597530)

But now that I think about it, "Western" might be a better choice of words.

western
adjective: living in, coming from, or characteristic of the west, in particular Europe and North America.
AskOxford (http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/western?view=uk)

As far as staff privileges, there were none when I was on staff. I know that some suggested that staff should be given site-supporter status when Lee took over but I don't know if that ever was started. Maybe now they are. Only they can say. As far as preferential treatment, the process was, out of necessity, different, but staff was still held accountable.

[Tonks]

The figure of 2920 hours of work a year on average for each staff member is a grand exaggeration. People tend to exaggerate their exploits or dedication and it are those who work the most that are most likely to post here to boast about it. The staffer who is only working 4 hours a week is less likely to draw attention to him/herself. In addition, the time spent on the forum is not the same as the time spent working for it.

In addition, the duties of a staff member require no special skills and can be performed by almost anyone mastering English aged over 18. Hence it can be performed by people in countries where the minimum wages are far below those of the USA. Therefore I think 3$ an hour is more realistic than 5$.

15 hours a week times 50 weeks times 3$ times 160 staffers gives 360.000 a year. That is somewhat less than the millions and millions of dollars I have read about.

If I were in LeeD's shoes I probably wouldn't pay staff here either. I would probably look it into it to see if it could improve staff's effectiveness and it could even be an interesting experiment (and I am a fan of interesting experiments, but I am less enthusiastic when they nibble at my wallet), but it is unlikely that I would pay more than 2$ an hour, probably capped at a maximum per year.

The standard number of working hours in the year (in the US) is 2080...so I'm not sure where the 2920 is ginned up.

Remember that the staff volunteers are compensated for their labour here, be it not with money but with privileges. However, wikiing is a tedious job for which there is no compensation and hence few people feel called.

Well, we do get a bigger inbox...lol.

[A New Dawn]

Well, we do get a bigger inbox...lol.

Which is taken up with reports and other staff stuff.

[Tonks]

Which is taken up with reports and other staff stuff.

Thankfully I'm free of receiving reports...though it does remain quite full.

When did you add the solas to your sig?

[A New Dawn]

Thankfully I'm free of receiving reports...though it does remain quite full.

When did you add the solas to your sig?

A few months ago. I forget they are there because I have signatures hidden. They make the pages take a long time to load. :sorry:

[FaithHopeAndLove]

20 hours a week minimum. That would represent £140 a week, at current rates for my ministry. No privileges, except the privilege of persecution by members and staff alike.