Husbands and Wives

[truth4today]

Husbands were commanded to love their wives. What was Wives commanded to do?

Robert:(

[Lotar]

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[Blackhawk]

DELETED A NOT SO FUNNY JOKE.

[BarbB]

Obey. Truth4Today, did you have a fight with your wife?

[Rechtgläubig]

22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EPH+5&language=english&version=NIV#footnote_165763188_2)] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EPH+5&language=english&version=NIV#footnote_165763188_3)] 32This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
(Ephesians 5)

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EPH+5&language=english&version=NIV#footnote_165763188_2)] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EPH+5&language=english&version=NIV#footnote_165763188_3)] 32This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
(Ephesians 5)You took my quote!! :confused:

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Hope this helps:


A Wife of Noble Character

10Who can find a virtuous and capable wife? She is worth more than precious rubies. 11Her husband can trust her, and she will greatly enrich his life. 12She will not hinder him but help him all her life.
13She finds wool and flax and busily spins it. 14She is like a merchant's ship; she brings her food from afar. 15She gets up before dawn to prepare breakfast for her household and plan the day's work for her servant girls. 16She goes out to inspect a field and buys it; with her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17She is energetic and strong, a hard worker. 18She watches for bargains; her lights burn late into the night. 19Her hands are busy spinning thread, her fingers twisting fiber.
20She extends a helping hand to the poor and opens her arms to the needy.
21She has no fear of winter for her household because all of them have warm[2 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=Proverbs+31&version=NLT#footnote_166781197_2)] clothes. 22She quilts her own bedspreads. She dresses like royalty in gowns of finest cloth.
23Her husband is well known, for he sits in the council meeting with the other civic leaders.
24She makes belted linen garments and sashes to sell to the merchants.
25She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs with no fear of the future. 26When she speaks, her words are wise, and kindness is the rule when she gives instructions. 27She carefully watches all that goes on in her household and does not have to bear the consequences of laziness.
28Her children stand and bless her. Her husband praises her: 29"There are many virtuous and capable women in the world, but you surpass them all!"
30Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the LORD will be greatly praised. 31Reward her for all she has done. Let her deeds publicly declare her praise.

[Filia Mariae]

A friend of mine on another forum wrote this speech on this passage. I've posted the link at CF before, but I'll post it again. This is a great speech because it really explains the true beauty of this passage without 1) watering in down or 2) making it a misogynistic thing.

http://forum.catholic.org/viewtopic.php?t=9159&highlight=ephesians+husbands+wives

[Rechtgläubig]

You took my quote!! :confused:



I'm sorry, here I am done with it you can have it back. :sorry:

[suzie]

Where is it commanded for wives to obey? Actually the word "submit" is not even in the verse Ephesians 5:22. The context of this passage isnt about laying down rules of roles, but instead Paul was radically changing the "rules" that were already in place. Instead of the husband ruling the home and the wife being in obedience, he was saying that what ever submitting a wife was to do the husband was to reciprocate. So in answer to your question, the wife is to love back.

[Brain Damage]

Husbands were commanded to love their wives. What was Wives commanded to do?

Robert:(



:scratch: ....Hmmm

Well they may not have been commanded to do it but I would say "drive men nuts".

[suzie]

lol Brain D---very cute.....

[Serapha]

Hi there!

:wave:



Eph 5:25 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=25&version=kjv) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;




The verb tense is present imperative active meaning for a continual habitual action of love.

Eph 5:22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Eph&chapter=5&verse=22&version=kjv) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.


The present, middle tense is used to show that the subject is acting so as to participate in some way in the results of the action.

Both are second person imperative, meaning "command".


~malaka~

[BarbB]

:scratch: ....Hmmm

Well they may not have been commanded to do it but I would say "drive men nuts".
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!:hug:

[suzie]

The word "submit" isnt in the verse Ephesians 5:22 in the original. It really says, "Wives, to your own husbands."

Since the Greek language has very clear verb forms, it is a simple matter of observation to note which verbs are imperatives. In the original Greek of Ephesians, the commands to the pater familia (husband/father/master) are 5: 5:25- "love your wives"; 5:23-"must lover his wife"; 6:4a-"do not exasperate your children"; 6:4b-"bring them up"; and 6:9-"treat your slaves in the same way." Two commands are given to the children (obey your parents and honor your father and mother). Only one command is directed to the slaves (obey your earthly masters). However, there are no commands given to the wives......

Paul directed almost four times as many words to the husbands as he did to the wives. Though we focus mostly on the wives, Paul's main objective was to emphasize the responsibilities of the husband in this passage. He was taking the patriarchial household code that was in place at this time and radically changing it by telling the husband instead of ruling, that whatever submitting the wive was to do he was to reciprocate.

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

I'm sorry, here I am done with it you can have it back. :sorry: aww thats ok hehehe :hug:

[Miss Shelby]

Where is it commanded for wives to obey? Actually the word "submit" is not even in the verse Ephesians 5:22. The context of this passage isnt about laying down rules of roles, but instead Paul was radically changing the "rules" that were already in place. Instead of the husband ruling the home and the wife being in obedience, he was saying that what ever submitting a wife was to do the husband was to reciprocate. So in answer to your question, the wife is to love back.If the husband is obeying God, the wife should have no problem obeying the husband.

Michelle

[suzie]

No, nor should the husband have a problem obeying the wife if she is obeying God. They both should strive to be in union with one another and with God. God does not speak to only one person and gifts only males as leaders. There is no room for hierarchy in God.

[Miss Shelby]

No, nor should the husband have a problem obeying the wife if she is obeying God. They both should strive to be in union with one another and with God. God does not speak to only one person and gifts only males as leaders. There is no room for hierarchy in God.The husband is supposed to be the spiritual head of the household. I firmly believe that in the case of a God-fearing husband, the wife should submit to the decisions of the husband even if she thinks he's wrong. Striving to be in union with one another does not necessarily give the wife equal footing on every issue, and if he is obeying God and loving his wife, God will bless their obedience.


Now I realize this isn't a perfect world, and not every woman is blessed enough to be married to a man who steps up to the call to be the spiritual head of the household and that is another scenario altogether.

Michelle

[suzie]

I know you believe this to be and many churches teach this position. However, this is hardly a unanimous stance and there are those who also hold that Biblical support does not lean to this gender hierarchy, but instead Jesus began a process of restoration of the intended mutuality, harmony, and equality God designed marriage to be. Instead it is the cultural coloration of Scripture that leaves us to interpret these few verses as linear subordination/authoritarian relationship

[truth4today]

Hello all
When I posted the question I was reading Eph:5:33. Respect.
Bless all who have responded.
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Robert