JW's have a record kept of them

[HisdaughterJen]

"Congregation Secretary


Sees to it that correspondence received by the congrega-
tion and the body of elders from the Society and others
is attended to promptly and proper response is made
when necessary.
The secretary's duties include the following:
Maintains the vital congregation records in an orderly
way.
Circulates among the elders all letters from the Society
and traveling overseers and then files them for reference.
Keeps records concerning Kingdom Hall ownership, le-
gal corporation, loans, insurance, deeds, and other docu-
ments.
Files records on disciplinary cases, including reports made
up by the judicial committees. (See Unit 5 (c), page 122. )
Keeps a diary of business items that elders or congregation
must handle in the future, such as utility bills and tax and
government items.
Sends orders to the branch office; sends reports promptly;
sends communications prepared by other brothers.
Keeps Congregation's Publisher Record cards; compiles
field service reports.
Gives report to Congregation Book Study conductors
as to who is irregular in field service.


UNIT 4 (a) 73



Sends Congregation's Publisher Record card to congre-
gation to which a publisher moves or initiates corre-
spondence if a publisher moves into his congregation.
(km 2/91 p. 7)
Secretary will personally care for these duties.
If necessary, an elder or a capable ministerial servant
may be assigned to assist in caring for some routine
matters."


From the elder's manual, Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock.

Most Jehovah's Witnesses don't know how they are being watched and their actions recorded whether deemed good or bad.

1Cr 13:5 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=1Cr&c=13&v=5&version=NIV#5)It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

Psa 103:12 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Psa&c=103&v=12&version=NIV#12)as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us

It's nice to know that "HIS faithful and discreet slave" is keeping records of transgressions which God says HE doesn't do. Go figure!

[Gary51]

You appear to have a big axe to grind regarding JW's.

Why?

[HisdaughterJen]

You appear to have a big axe to grind regarding JW's.

Why?
No axe. I'm just posting things that are written in the writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses that many don't know about. I certainly didn't know about this when I was a Jehovah's Witness. They not only have congregation files but they also keep a record in the district office and even at the headquarters, especially of wrongdoing. For what purpose?

I have shown from the elder's manual that the Society claims to be God's chosen organization on the earth today and that they claim the main source of "food" for the followers is the Watchtower. That's a BIG claim...one that must be proven or disproven before people go chasing after them/following them like they are the Messiah.

[Gary51]

No axe. I'm just posting things that are written in the writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses that many don't know about. I certainly didn't know about this when I was a Jehovah's Witness. They not only have congregation files but they also keep a record in the district office and even at the headquarters, especially of wrongdoing. For what purpose?

I have shown from the elder's manual that the Society claims to be God's chosen organization on the earth today and that they claim the main source of "food" for the followers is the Watchtower. That's a BIG claim...one that must be proven or disproven before people go chasing after them/following them like they are the Messiah.
I do not believe they are God's chosen people or that their church is the little flock. But they seem to be to be right on certain things where traditional christianty is wrong... in my view.

You may have abandoned their church, but what of their doctines, like man not having an immortal soul and the doctine that hell is not a real place, and of course the trinty.

Way do stand with those three beliefs?

They are major doctines which I believe are true.

[HisdaughterJen]

I do not believe they are God's chosen people or that their church is the little flock. But they seem to be to be right on certain things where traditional christianty is wrong... in my view.

You may have abandoned their church, but what of their doctines, like man not having an immortal soul and the doctine that hell is not a real place, and of course the trinty.

Way do stand with those three beliefs?

They are major doctines which I believe are true.
Immortal soul - I believe what the Bible says about that.
Jesus said:

Mat 10:28 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Mat&c=10&v=28&version=NIV#28)Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


Whatever happens to body and soul in the lake of fire at the judgment, whether they are destroyed forever, or undergoing eternal torment, is completely up to God. Either way, a person is basically damned. It's possible that the place where God-hating souls await judgment is the place of torment, while the Lake of Fire is their eternal destruction (either by eternal torment or completely snuffing out).

On the other hand, a God-loving person has eternal life, an immortal soul.

HELL - Yes, a very real place in the spiritual world. The Bible speaks more of hell than of heaven. Hades appears to be where your soul and spirit go when your body dies. This is where a person awaits final judgment.

2Pe 2:9 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?translation=NIV&book=2Pe&chapter=2#) if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment



Trinity - I loathe the word "godhead". I don't like the word "trinity".

But Jesus commanded:

Mat 28:19 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Mat&c=28&v=19&version=NIV#19)Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

So, is that ONE name or THREE?

Jhn 17:11 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=17&v=11&version=NIV#11)I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name-the name you gave me-so that they may be one as we are one.


We do not worship 3 Gods so they are ONE. They have to be ONE or else we're polytheistic.

[woden]

"Congregation Secretary


Sees to it that correspondence received by the congrega-
tion and the body of elders from the Society and others
is attended to promptly and proper response is made
when necessary.
The secretary's duties include the following:
Maintains the vital congregation records in an orderly
way.
Circulates among the elders all letters from the Society
and traveling overseers and then files them for reference.
Keeps records concerning Kingdom Hall ownership, le-
gal corporation, loans, insurance, deeds, and other docu-
ments.
Files records on disciplinary cases, including reports made
up by the judicial committees. (See Unit 5 (c), page 122. )
Keeps a diary of business items that elders or congregation
must handle in the future, such as utility bills and tax and
government items.
Sends orders to the branch office; sends reports promptly;
sends communications prepared by other brothers.
Keeps Congregation's Publisher Record cards; compiles
field service reports.
Gives report to Congregation Book Study conductors
as to who is irregular in field service.


UNIT 4 (a) 73



Sends Congregation's Publisher Record card to congre-
gation to which a publisher moves or initiates corre-
spondence if a publisher moves into his congregation.
(km 2/91 p. 7)
Secretary will personally care for these duties.
If necessary, an elder or a capable ministerial servant
may be assigned to assist in caring for some routine
matters."


From the elder's manual, Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock.

Most Jehovah's Witnesses don't know how they are being watched and their actions recorded whether deemed good or bad.

1Cr 13:5 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=1Cr&c=13&v=5&version=NIV#5)It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

Psa 103:12 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Psa&c=103&v=12&version=NIV#12)as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us

It's nice to know that "HIS faithful and discreet slave" is keeping records of transgressions which God says HE doesn't do. Go figure!
Just received the annual witnessing report for 2007. And pretty much everything is on the up. The amount of hours witnessing, amount of Bible Studies conducted, the amount of full time preachers are also up.

All this because they willingly submit the required information when asked. JW's are not a secret society as jen would have us believe.

Jen may of had a bad experience and feels hurt by it and therefore feels it is her right to let others know. But that is one side of the story. There are always two sides of a story. Sometimes it's best to wait and see before passing judgement on a faith.

[Gary51]

Just received the annual witnessing report for 2007. And pretty much everything is on the up. The amount of hours witnessing, amount of Bible Studies conducted, the amount of full time preachers are also up.

All this because they willingly submit the required information when asked. JW's are not a secret society as jen would have us believe.

Jen may of had a bad experience and feels hurt by it and therefore feels it is her right to let others know. But that is one side of the story. There are always two sides of a story. Sometimes it's best to wait and see before passing judgement on a faith.

:thumbsup:

[HisdaughterJen]

Just received the annual witnessing report for 2007. And pretty much everything is on the up. The amount of hours witnessing, amount of Bible Studies conducted, the amount of full time preachers are also up.

All this because they willingly submit the required information when asked. JW's are not a secret society as jen would have us believe.

Jen may of had a bad experience and feels hurt by it and therefore feels it is her right to let others know. But that is one side of the story. There are always two sides of a story. Sometimes it's best to wait and see before passing judgement on a faith.
I don't understand what this has to do with the original post. They keep records on individual people, not only your service activity but any wrongs you have committed and it follows you where ever you go....a little "BIG BROTHER" society.

[HisdaughterJen]

Why have baptisms dropped sharply since 1996-1997?

http://www.jwic.com/04n_amer.htm

[woden]

I don't understand what this has to do with the original post. They keep records on individual people, not only your service activity but any wrongs you have committed and it follows you where ever you go....a little "BIG BROTHER" society.
And the police, local tax office and government don't?

[HisdaughterJen]

And the police, local tax office and government don't?
THe police keep a record of criminal arrests.
The tax people keep a record of your self-reported finances.
The government...well, the tax people are the government.

Now, God, on the other hand, has told us that our sins are as far from us as the East is from the West. He has told us that Love keeps no record of wrongs.

So, a US Corporation known as the Watchtower, Bible and tract Society (AKA Jehovah's Witnesses) fervently claim that they are God's chosen organization on the planet today. They claim that they are God's "faithful and discreet slave" who is chosen to "dispense food at the proper time".

Now, if they were chosen by God, as they claim they are, then they would do what God says and does. THEY DO NOT. They keep a record of your wrongs/sins and judge you. That record follows you.

That is unbiblical and wrong.