I have decided that I am going to live in this sub forum.

[jeolmstead]

I have decided that I am going to live in this sub forum.

If you want me, this is where I’ll be.


John O.

[robbymac]

I'm thinking the same thing. That, or just give up on CF altogether.

I was just accused of fabricating a story about my friend's daughter and her near-death experience (as a diabetic) at the hands of a WOF church. I've been called a lot of names by a small group of rabid WOF'ers here before, which is frustrating, but to be accused of lying about my friend's daughter was the last straw.

There appears to be TWO forums that are WOF -- the one labelled "WOF", and the one labelled "Spirit-Filled - Pentecostal/Charismatic".

I'm glad we created this sub-forum; but I wasn't expecting that it would be the only safe haven for non-WOF people!

Okay, I got that off my chest. Now, a deep breath and hopefully a quick return to normalcy! :thumbsup:

[jeolmstead]

I ask myself (and God)

Is this really a reflection of what the Charismatic church has become?

I have an opportunity to pastor in church in middle TN, if I take it , is this the stuff I’ll be struggling against?

There seems to be a total disconnect between “the faith” and reality in the lives of these people here.

I do not think I’ve reached anyone on CF. It really seems a little bit discouraging


John O.

[JAS4Yeshua]

I understand what you both are saying. It seems a bit off balance to me as well. Part of the problem lies in the accusations that are thrown from some members on both sides of the argument. Instead of addressing the topic, many people choose to insult instead. :(

[JK]

I ask myself (and God)

Is this really a reflection of what the Charismatic church has become?

I have an opportunity to pastor in church in middle TN, if I take it , is this the stuff I’ll be struggling against?

There seems to be a total disconnect between “the faith” and reality in the lives of these people here.

I do not think I’ve reached anyone on CF. It really seems a little bit discouraging


John O.

you will make a great pastor please keep me informed I would love to pray for you.

As one who lives with a severe disability I know God heals but not always in the way we want. I find your words encouraging brothers thank you and I will alsp be posting here

God Bless

[SharonL]

Hi JOhn:

This CF Forum that is now present is not the one I signed on over a year ago - there are some that just wish to cause problems.

Don't let this discourage you - in many of the threads your voice was the voice of reason - don't change your thinking or your faith - you follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I did not know this forum was here - I'll probably spend some time here also - I see a lot of familiar names.

Keep the faith - you are doing just fine.

[hillbillyhippiechick]

I accidentally landed on this thread. I'm figurin' that to mean I'm supposed to land on it. This chick hasn't found a home other, than playing in BE, since I've been here. I didn't see this forum. Maybe I'll spend some time here, too.

[hillbillyhippiechick]

Now wait a minute. I'm Charismatic. I think I just saw this was nonC. Maybe it was just an accident and didn't mean anything. :eek: :scratch: :confused:

[Tamara224]

I'm thinking the same thing. That, or just give up on CF altogether.

Same here.

I was just accused of fabricating a story about my friend's daughter and her near-death experience (as a diabetic) at the hands of a WOF church. I've been called a lot of names by a small group of rabid WOF'ers here before, which is frustrating, but to be accused of lying about my friend's daughter was the last straw.

I saw that...I think (hope) most people saw what was going on there.

If we're not heretic hunters, we're mere theists or liars.

There appears to be TWO forums that are WOF -- the one labelled "WOF", and the one labelled "Spirit-Filled - Pentecostal/Charismatic".

I'm glad we created this sub-forum; but I wasn't expecting that it would be the only safe haven for non-WOF people!



It does seem there are a lot more, shall we say 'outspoken' WoFers around lately.

[franky67]

I'm thinking the same thing. That, or just give up on CF altogether.

I was just accused of fabricating a story about my friend's daughter and her near-death experience (as a diabetic) at the hands of a WOF church. I've been called a lot of names by a small group of rabid WOF'ers here before, which is frustrating, but to be accused of lying about my friend's daughter was the last straw.

There appears to be TWO forums that are WOF -- the one labelled "WOF", and the one labelled "Spirit-Filled - Pentecostal/Charismatic".

I'm glad we created this sub-forum; but I wasn't expecting that it would be the only safe haven for non-WOF people!

Okay, I got that off my chest. Now, a deep breath and hopefully a quick return to normalcy! :thumbsup:

I answered your post regarding the family who's daughter had diabetes, I don't know how to link it to here.

[ydouxist]

I ask myself (and God)

Is this really a reflection of what the Charismatic church has become?

I have an opportunity to pastor in church in middle TN, if I take it , is this the stuff I’ll be struggling against?

There seems to be a total disconnect between “the faith” and reality in the lives of these people here.

I do not think I’ve reached anyone on CF. It really seems a little bit discouraging


John O.


I've always enjoyed your posts John.
I know what you mean though.

[lismore]

I do not think I’ve reached anyone on CF. It really seems a little bit discouraging


John O.

Please dont feel discouraged John O. I have read a lot of your posts with interest.

:)

[BenAdam]

I'll camp out with you here John, but I will still foray into the main forum on occassion.

[Andry]

This sub-forum is so agreeable that umm,.....pffftt.....I can't think of anything to say...:P

[JAS4Yeshua]

Well I disagree with you, just because you're a stormtrooper. :P ;)

[HephzibahBenJudah]

A light can not be hid under a basket...

Go up to the mountain and draw away with God to the secret places and come again to tell us what you talked about.

*hugs*

[The Lord is my banner]

I hope you folks won't all stay in here ALL the time, because I'll miss you "out there." :(

I almost never stop by here, but this thread was on the "most recent" list and intrigued me - I wondered who was the OP and just had to come and look!

But John I really hope you won't close the door completely on the main forum, because you are valuable among us, as are all the folks who have contributed tio your thread.

I don't generally go into any of the subforums, I tend to forget they're here, so please don't anybody disappear from the main board!!!

Crumbs - I just realised something - I practically never leave SFPC - I should get out and explore!

[Andry]

Sue, you can think of this sub-forum as a little black hole.....and you know what black holes do, don't ya? ;) So while you may be 'out there', you'll gravitate 'in here'. :D

(Seriously, I'm going to straddle both for a while, but the main forum is often way too ridiculous for me to respond.)

[Simon_Templar]

I ask myself (and God)

Is this really a reflection of what the Charismatic church has become?

I have an opportunity to pastor in church in middle TN, if I take it , is this the stuff I’ll be struggling against?

There seems to be a total disconnect between “the faith” and reality in the lives of these people here.

I do not think I’ve reached anyone on CF. It really seems a little bit discouraging


John O.
People are usually more receptive to teaching in person and from a person they know. Never the less, as I'm sure you're aware, it all depends on the individual church in question.

I used to be a little more tolerant of the WoF movement, but in the last few months, I have to admit I have really begun to be convinced that the majority of churches under that label have abandoned the gospel of Jesus Christ for one of their own making.

In the end it always comes down to devotion to Jesus Christ and submission of self to God. The WoF movement in general has built itself on appealing to flesh and self and devotion to self betterment rather than Christ.

examining the charismatic movement in this light, I believe that the problems arise from not having proper authority, and not having guidlines to keep people on the path.

In most charismatic churches "traditions" and "forms" are nearly anathema, but it is those things which prevent us from going off the deepend. You can't have real freedom without protective boundaries.

There is just too much deception in subjective spiritual experiences to let them alone govern and guide faith.

[Tamara224]

People are usually more receptive to teaching in person and from a person they know. Never the less, as I'm sure you're aware, it all depends on the individual church in question.

I used to be a little more tolerant of the WoF movement, but in the last few months, I have to admit I have really begun to be convinced that the majority of churches under that label have abandoned the gospel of Jesus Christ for one of their own making.

In the end it always comes down to devotion to Jesus Christ and submission of self to God. The WoF movement in general has built itself on appealing to flesh and self and devotion to self betterment rather than Christ.

examining the charismatic movement in this light, I believe that the problems arise from not having proper authority, and not having guidlines to keep people on the path.

In most charismatic churches "traditions" and "forms" are nearly anathema, but it is those things which prevent us from going off the deepend. You can't have real freedom without protective boundaries.

There is just too much deception in subjective spiritual experiences to let them alone govern and guide faith.


Hey Simon, I have some questions and want you to expand on this some, if you want to.

I'll start a new thread, so we don't hijack John's.

[KenBrauckmann]

Tamara - that is an area I am currently looking into as well - could you provide a link so others might follow?

Thanks!

Oh and Joe - you seem quiet? How was New Years??

FOUND IT: Authority and Tradition !! Thanks Tamara!