The Jewish Community Turned on Me!

[INLOVEWITHTHEONECHRIST]

Why am I just a Christian, and not a Messianic Jew?

After I accepted Christ, I wanted to retain some of my Jewish roots, and therefore dubbed myself a Messianic Jew, and even considered myself and aspiring Messianic Rabbi.

After my Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jewish side of the family (father is Jewish, mother is Christian), found out, that completely turned on me. To them, Judaism can not accept any adherence to the idea that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. Either you're a Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jew, or a Christian -- no middle ground.

So I say I'm done with the Jewish community. Done with it completely. There is no more Israel, Israel is the church, and the Jewish people have further proven that with treating non-Jews as inferior, even a convert who was originally of their own (according to "Talmudic Law" - HA! -- I'm not even Jewish because I never hakhically converted, nor was I born to a Jewish mother. . .but my last name is one of the most Jewish last names in existence, and I would have been killed under Nuremberg Nazi law if I was living in Europe 60 or 70 years ago because of my 50% Jewish lineage).

It's anti-Christianity like that that spurs anti-Semitism -- it seems like I now know what chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer was going through (he's another person born at least of 50% Jewish lineage, perhaps even 100%, who eventually became anti-Israel).

Jesus Christ is the living law, "Torah," if you want to use the "correct" word -- and it disgusts me that the community I was BORN INTO is so against Him.

[visionary]

Welcome... Please introduce yourself and give a little testimony ... INLOVEWITHTHEONECHRIST ... can I call you 'ilwtoc' it is shorter?

[ChavaK]

After my Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jewish side of the family (father is Jewish, mother is Christian), found out, that completely turned on me. To them, Judaism can not accept any adherence to the idea that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. Either you're a Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jew, or a Christian -- no middle ground.
This is true; however I find it interesting that your father
and his family would be so upset when he was not concerned
enough about Judaism to marry a Jew, nor to raise his kids
as religous Jews.


So I say I'm done with the Jewish community. Done with it completely Sorry to hear that, but I don't think how Jews are reacting is
anything different than other groups would react. Muslims,
Catholics, Mormons.......none of them is going to be very
pleased when they lose a member of their faith to another.

the Jewish people have further proven that with treating non-Jews as inferior It has nothing to do with non-Jews being inferior; where do you
get this idea from?

even a convert who was originally of their own{ (according to "Talmudic Law" - HA! -- I'm not even Jewish because I never hakhically converted, nor was I born to a Jewish mother. No, you are not Jewish by Jewish law, but this does not make you
inferior.

.but my last name is one of the most Jewish last names in existence,
A Jewish name does not make a person a Jew.

and I would have been killed under Nuremberg Nazi law if I was living in Europe 60 or 70 years ago because of my 50% Jewish lineage). What the Nazis did has no effect on Jewish
Law; and they are not the ones to decide who is a Jew per
Jewish standards.

It's anti-Christianity like that that spurs anti-Semitism --No it does not; and this is not "anti-Christianity". I know you
are upset, but please do not act as how you accuse the "anit-
Christians" of acting.

it seems like I now know what chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer was going through (he's another person born at least of 50% Jewish lineage, perhaps even 100%, who eventually became anti-Israel).
Bobby Fischer was always a big of, shall we put it
politely, an "eccentric". I would dismiss anything he has to say...

Jesus Christ is the living law, "Torah," if you want to use the "correct" word -- and it disgusts me that the community I was BORN INTO is so against Him. We are not against him; we don't really give him a lot of consideration as he is not relevant to Judasim.
If it pleases you to follow him, go right ahead....
Hopefully you will get over your pain shortly, and learn that because
Jews follow the beliefs and laws they always have, it does not
reflect personally on you....
:wave:

[A_Pioneer]

Mt 10:34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
2Co 4:4 In their case the God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Moshiach, who is the likeness of God.
Mt. 10:34 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
This also goes for women too!
There is a Baptist Minister in my family! Do you think I am his favorite person?
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word(/Torah )and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Remember (parens) mean added by translator. My paraphrase.
Shalom

[A_Pioneer]

Oh, BTW;

Mt 6:15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mt 18:35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart."
Hear and obey!
Shalom

[A_Pioneer]

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[stone]

I wouldn't say they turned on you. It's more like you now understand their position concerning Y-shua.

[Baruch41]

Jesus Christ is the living law

Amen! Welcome to CF, inlove. May the grace of the living Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

[INLOVEWITHTHEONECHRIST]

Here's the thing--my Jewish side of the family ISN'T that religious. They only attend synagogue on Yom Kippur for the most part...it's more of an ethnic thing. They want me to be an ethnic Jew, and the only way I can do that is denying Christ, and they sure came off as Jewish supremacists after I accepted Him and they began to look down on me.

And yeah, according to Talmudic law, I'm not a "Jew," but I'm still a Semite and people not knowing otherwise assume I'm Jewish because of my 50% Jewish lineage and my last name.

The difference between a Catholic or a Mormon or a Muslim looking down on a convert to another religion is because of just that --religious grounds. "Judaism" is the only thing out there that is both an ethnic group and a religion. As I said, my Jewish relatives aren't religious, and even after my dad married my mom, they expected her to convert and me to be Jewish, so that I could be an ethnic Jew.

It's all about denying Jesus of Nazareth so that I can "ethnically" be Jewish to them. That's all.

[visionary]

Behind the cover of the defenses the family has put up to block Yeshua getting to them is very worried family. Love them.

[simchat_torah]

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[simchat_torah]

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[Tangeloper]

I can hear that you're hurting right now... It honestly sounds to me like this has more to do with worry, regrets, and anger on their part than anything you've done to them personally.

The first thing I would like to address is your equating your family member's actions with the entirety of the Jewish population (ethnic OR religious). This is not fair to the millions of Jews in the world who are NOT like them. It would be the same as if you took the actions of say a KKK member who says they are a "Christian" and decided that the whole of Christianity was made up of people like them, ya know? You mentioned people becoming "Anti-Israel". I don't see how you can condemn an entire nation of people, or ethnic group, or an entire religion based upon the reactions of your family members. Family dynamics are at play here -- and I would assume that most of the family dynamics at play have nothing to do with YOU personally, but rather may be "old wounds" brought back to the surface in this situation...

Anyway, I would suggest that you try talking to them about how you feel. Be honest with them if you can, about how you are feeling slighted, and how you are feeling anger towards them about this. You should probably inform them that their actions towards you are coloring your view of Judaism itself -- it may help them to realize that they are only pushing you farther away... The other thing I would share with them is WHY you wish to learn more about your Jewish heritage... Perhaps explaining to them that since Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jew and he followed Jewish law, and hence that is part of the reason why you would like to learn more about it they will understand that the two are not as mutually exclusive as they appear on the surface.

I don't know if any of this will help or not. But, I would suggest NOT condemning an entire group of people based upon the actions of a few... As a Christian you should know that this is not the right thing to do. Come to them with love. Try to understand their fears, and I think after time you will at least be able to come to an understanding -- both on your part and on theirs...

Best of luck to you, and I hope you will post more often...

[INLOVEWITHTHEONECHRIST]

Simchat --

At least you have passion in what you believe. You aren't against Jesus, at least not for ethnic reasons, but merely theological ones, and I respect that more than I respect people who are against Him for ethnic reasons.

I wasn't throwing Jesus in their faces, why? Because they were the ones who found out I accepted Christ, and persecuted me for it. I never once attempted to throw Him in their face.

Jewish roots? Yes, I was raised in the synagogue and the church...I'm not Jewish according to Talmudic law, but I was raised in both the church and the synagogue.

But I like where you were going with the whole thing, mainly because at least your opinions are based on theological reasoning as opposed to ethnic stances.

[INLOVEWITHTHEONECHRIST]

Also wanted to thank everyone for the feedback so far, even anybody who opposed what I had to say.

[LittleLambofJesus]

I wasn't throwing Jesus in their faces, why? Because they were the ones who found out I accepted Christ, and persecuted me for it. I never once attempted to throw Him in their face.
According to JESUS, it would actually be Jewish Christians that would be persecuted by their own fellow Jews for turning to JESUS.
Don't let their feelings about you turn you negative or into hatred. LOVE conquers all and this is probably what JESUS meant by bringing a Sword, which to us is His Word. Shalom.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 23:34 `Because of this, lo!, I am Commissioning toward ye Prophets and Wisemen and Scribes, out of Them Ye shall be Killing/apokteneite <615> (5692) and ye shall be Crucifying/staurwsete <4717>(5692),...............

Matt 24:9 then they shall be delivering ye up into tribulation, and They shall be Killing/apoktenousin <615> (5692) Ye, and ye shall be being hated by all of the nations thru/because-of the Name of Me;

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of the Age, this, hath-blinded/etuflwsen <5186> (5656) the minds of the faithless into the no to shine forth to-them the enlightening of the Good-News of the glory of the Christ, who is an image of the God/YHWH;

1 John 2:11 The-one yet hating his brother, in the darkness is, and in the darkness is about-walking, and not he has perceived whither he is going, that the darkness hath-blinded/etuflwsen <5186> (5656) the eyes of him

[christianmomof3]

:wave: Hi inlove, I am glad that you have joined this forum.
I am sorry that you are having trouble with your family, but, as the verse apioneer posted states, often times belief in Christ will divide families.
I am suprised that you did not realize that it would be that way, but you are young and were raised in a very non-practicing home it seems so perhaps you do not know the Jewish mindset very well.
I was raised a Reform Jew and am now a born-again Christian.
When I was in college - around 19 years old, I decided that the Jewish religion was hypocritical and told my Father I would no longer go to high holy day services.
The only other time I had seen him that mad at me was when he got an arrest warrent in the mail when I was 16 and in high school and had gotten parking tickets that I did not pay :o and the car was in his name. He came to my work then and yelled at me.
Anyway, I was saved when I was 27.
I knew exactly what the Jewish community and my my family would think of me and I did consider that briefly, but I still accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior.
Do not blame the Jews or be angry with them for not accepting you.
Jews do not accept Christ or the Messianic Jewish religion.
That is just how they are.
It is ok.
They will come to know the Lord eventually.
Just pray for your family and for your Jewish friends.
I spent about 14 years ignoring my Jewish heritage because I knew that I would not be accepted by my fellow Jews.
But, I am and always will be a Jew and that is how God made me and it is a good thing.
God put you into the family that you are in for a purpose.
Do not despise it.
May you enjoy Christ and grow in His life and in His love. :hug: :prayer:

[Henaynei]

Actually anti-zionism (antisemitism) spurs anti-goyism. The goy hated us before we hated them. An eye for an eye!

For the goy so hated us Jews that G-d sent His only recourse unto them: our revenge!oh, now THAT attitude certainly builds bridges and heals.... yes, sir .....:doh::sigh:

b'Shalom
Henaynei

[visionary]

Actually anti-zionism (antisemitism) spurs anti-goyism. The goy hated us before we hated them. An eye for an eye!

For the goy so hated us Jews that G-d sent His only recourse unto them: our revenge!:scratch: Is this with a tongue in cheek??:P

[A_Pioneer]

Jewish Messiah! Revenge! Lighten up!

Shalom

[ChavaK]

Actually anti-zionism (antisemitism) spurs anti-goyism. The goy hated us before we hated them. An eye for an eye!

For the goy so hated us Jews that G-d sent His only recourse unto them: our revenge!

This is not what the majority of Jews believe.....:(
Nor how we interpret "eye for an eye".
We do not need this hatred on the forum, Tanakh.

[ChavaK]

:scratch: Is this with a tongue in cheek??:P

Unfortunately, I don't think so.....

[Ivy]

Actually anti-zionism (antisemitism) spurs anti-goyism. The goy hated us before we hated them. An eye for an eye!

For the goy so hated us Jews that G-d sent His only recourse unto them: our revenge!

I see your mood icon speaks truly........."Paranoid". :eek:

[A_Pioneer]

Jewish Messiah! Revenge! Lighten up!

Shalom
This was not to tanack, but you uptight ladies!
It was a joke. His revenge for Jew hating Goy, a Jewish Messiah. Do lighten up.
Tanack come back and explain it to them, maybe they will climb down off their "High Horse."
It's a joke ladies, I'm sure he will apoligise for offence!

Shalom

[Tanakh]

Psalms 149:6-9 'The lofty praises of G-d are in their throats, and a double-edged sword is in their hand - to execute vengeance among the nations, rebukes among the regimes; to bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; to execute upon them written judgment - that will be the splendor of all His devout ones. Halleluyah!

[LittleLambofJesus]

Psalms 149:6-9 'The lofty praises of G-d are in their throats, and a double-edged sword is in their hand - to execute vengeance among the nations, rebukes among the regimes; to bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; to execute upon them written judgment - that will be the splendor of all His devout ones. Halleluyah!Shalom. Interesting passage.
In the GNT there appears to be 2 different words for "sword" but I am still learning the Biblical Greek.
These 2 passages here for example:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 21:24 "And they shall be falling by a-mouth/stomati <4750> of a-Sword/macairaV<3162> , and they shall be being led into captivity into all the Nations. And Jerusalem shall be being trodden upon-by nations until may be being filled/plhrwqwsin <4137> the times of nations

Revelation 1:16 And having in the right of Him, hand, stars, seven. And out of the mouth/stomatoV <4750> of Him, a sword/romfaia <4501>, two-mouthed/distomoV <1366>, sharp. And the countenance of Him as the sun is appearing in the power of it.

[A_Pioneer]

Re 19:15 From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Re 19:15 From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
:) Actually the greek word used is "shepherding" as one does to a flock.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Reve 19:15 and out of the mouth of Him is outgoing a sword, sharp, that in her/it He should be smiting the nations.
And He shall be shepherding/poimanei them in rod iron and He is treading the trough/windpress of the wine of the fury of the indignation of the God, the Almighty.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
Greek texts from this site.

Byz./Maj.) Revelation 19:15 kai ek tou stomatoV autou ekporeuetai romfaia distomoV oxeia ina en auth pataxh ta eqnh kai autoV poimanei autouV en rabdw sidhra kai autoV patei thn lhnon tou oinou tou qumou thV orghV tou qeou tou pantokratoroV

Textus Rec.) Revelation 19:15 kai ek tou stomatoV autou ekporeuetai romfaia oxeia ina en auth patassh ta eqnh kai autoV poimanei autouV en rabdw sidhra kai autoV patei thn lhnon tou oinou tou qumou kai thV orghV tou qeou tou pantokratoroV

W-H ) Revelation 19:15 kai ek tou stomatoV autou ekporeuetai romfaia oxeia ina en auth pataxh ta eqnh kai autoV poimanei autouV en rabdw sidhra kai autoV patei thn lhnon tou oinou tou qumou thV orghV tou qeou tou pantokratoroV

[Wags]

Ok - so basically the OP is ranting/venting about how their family treates them so thinks they need to come here and tell us off???

I didn't see a questin in the OP, just some false theology being preached.

[Ivy]

This was not to tanack, but you uptight ladies!
It was a joke. His revenge for Jew hating Goy, a Jewish Messiah. Do lighten up.
Tanack come back and explain it to them, maybe they will climb down off their "High Horse."
It's a joke ladies, I'm sure he will apoligise for offence!

Shalom

Perhaps he'll include a courtly bow. :D That always makes a hit with us ladies. And *I'm riding a side-saddle on my particular High Horse. :D

For myself, if I want someone to know that I'm joking, I litter my post with smileys: :) ;) :D :holy: :bow: :angel: :sorry: :tutu: :pink: .

[Tangeloper]

Ok - so basically the OP is ranting/venting about how their family treates them so thinks they need to come here and tell us off???

I didn't see a questin in the OP, just some false theology being preached.
I don't see the OP as telling anyone "off". Obviously this young man is hurting deeply and trying to figure out WHY his family is reacting this way towards him.

I actually think it was a GOOD idea for him to share this with the people in this particular forum because the Jews here could help him understand his family's perspective, and the Messianic Jews could help him understand how to better frame his explanations to his Jewish relatives and vice versa...

I'm sure he is not the only one who has experienced this in their family. There are many "mixed" families in our world today, and I think he probably decided that this forum and group of people would perhaps have dealt with the issues he is dealing with right now in their own lives and could give him insight. Obviously he was still hurting when he wrote the OP. At 17 I can remember how much things like this tore at one's heart... Please try to consider that when you read (or perhaps re-read) his OP...

[ContraMundum]

Actually anti-zionism (antisemitism) spurs anti-goyism. The goy hated us before we hated them. An eye for an eye!

For the goy so hated us Jews that G-d sent His only recourse unto them: our revenge!

As a born and bred Jew, I'd say you are way out of line here (and since when do the modern-day Jews interpret "an eye for an eye" as revenge? Is this a new development of doctrine fresh from Mafdal or something?)

Tikkun Olam, not revenge, is the goal of Judaism as I was taught. (Ever read Luzzatto's "Derech HaShem?")

[ContraMundum]

Ok - so basically the OP is ranting/venting about how their family treates them so thinks they need to come here and tell us off???

I didn't see a questin in the OP, just some false theology being preached.

Wags, this reads like the "It's a threat upon us" line.

I say just let the guy speak his peace. He's probably going through things you'd never know about or could never experience, so cut him some slack- how would you feel if it were you?

[ContraMundum]

Why am I just a Christian, and not a Messianic Jew?

After I accepted Christ, I wanted to retain some of my Jewish roots, and therefore dubbed myself a Messianic Jew, and even considered myself and aspiring Messianic Rabbi.

After my Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jewish side of the family (father is Jewish, mother is Christian), found out, that completely turned on me. To them, Judaism can not accept any adherence to the idea that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. Either you're a Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jew, or a Christian -- no middle ground.

So I say I'm done with the Jewish community. Done with it completely. There is no more Israel, Israel is the church, and the Jewish people have further proven that with treating non-Jews as inferior, even a convert who was originally of their own (according to "Talmudic Law" - HA! -- I'm not even Jewish because I never hakhically converted, nor was I born to a Jewish mother. . .but my last name is one of the most Jewish last names in existence, and I would have been killed under Nuremberg Nazi law if I was living in Europe 60 or 70 years ago because of my 50% Jewish lineage).

It's anti-Christianity like that that spurs anti-Semitism -- it seems like I now know what chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer was going through (he's another person born at least of 50% Jewish lineage, perhaps even 100%, who eventually became anti-Israel).

Jesus Christ is the living law, "Torah," if you want to use the "correct" word -- and it disgusts me that the community I was BORN INTO is so against Him.

It's different for everyone who finds grace, so do your best with what you know and treat them as you would wish to be treated. God will do the rest.

Just forgive all who you percieve are hurting you- that is vital.

Be a forgiver. Love them. That's the way of the Messiah.

[ozell]

Why am I just a Christian, and not a Messianic Jew?

After I accepted Christ, I wanted to retain some of my Jewish roots, and therefore dubbed myself a Messianic Jew, and even considered myself and aspiring Messianic Rabbi.

After my Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jewish side of the family (father is Jewish, mother is Christian), found out, that completely turned on me. To them, Judaism can not accept any adherence to the idea that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah. Either you're a Non-Messianic Rabbinical Jew, or a Christian -- no middle ground.

So I say I'm done with the Jewish community. Done with it completely. There is no more Israel, Israel is the church, and the Jewish people have further proven that with treating non-Jews as inferior, even a convert who was originally of their own (according to "Talmudic Law" - HA! -- I'm not even Jewish because I never hakhically converted, nor was I born to a Jewish mother. . .but my last name is one of the most Jewish last names in existence, and I would have been killed under Nuremberg Nazi law if I was living in Europe 60 or 70 years ago because of my 50% Jewish lineage).

It's anti-Christianity like that that spurs anti-Semitism -- it seems like I now know what chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer was going through (he's another person born at least of 50% Jewish lineage, perhaps even 100%, who eventually became anti-Israel).

Jesus Christ is the living law, "Torah," if you want to use the "correct" word -- and it disgusts me that the community I was BORN INTO is so against Him.

it's all about understanding or the lack thereof.

you have increased your knowledge in God's word and they haven't.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

patience is required on your part.

Lk 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

then you must become a example of Jesus to them.

Jn13v 13:Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14: If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15: For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

[A_Pioneer]

:) Actually the greek word used is "shepherding" as one does to a flock.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Reve 19:15 and out of the mouth of Him is outgoing a sword, sharp, that in her/it He should be smiting the nations.
And He shall be shepherding/poimanei them in rod iron and He is treading the trough/windpress of the wine of the fury of the indignation of the God, the Almighty.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
Greek texts from this site.

Byz./Maj.) Revelation 19:15 kai ek tou stomatoV autou ekporeuetai romfaia distomoV oxeia ina en auth pataxh ta eqnh kai autoV poimanei autouV en rabdw sidhra kai autoV patei thn lhnon tou oinou tou qumou thV orghV tou qeou tou pantokratoroV

Textus Rec.) Revelation 19:15 kai ek tou stomatoV autou ekporeuetai romfaia oxeia ina en auth patassh ta eqnh kai autoV poimanei autouV en rabdw sidhra kai autoV patei thn lhnon tou oinou tou qumou kai thV orghV tou qeou tou pantokratoroV

W-H ) Revelation 19:15 kai ek tou stomatoV autou ekporeuetai romfaia oxeia ina en auth pataxh ta eqnh kai autoV poimanei autouV en rabdw sidhra kai autoV patei thn lhnon tou oinou tou qumou thV orghV tou qeou tou pantokratoroV
Why would you take a word in my scripture to admonish me about something I didn't mean?

That is what I despise about the Greek NT! Who really cares what those who believe I have an Immortal soul before God gives me one, interpret a Hebrew word?

Shalom

[A_Pioneer]

Perhaps he'll include a courtly bow. :D That always makes a hit with us ladies. And *I'm riding a side-saddle on my particular High Horse. :D

For myself, if I want someone to know that I'm joking, I litter my post with smileys: .
BTW; I got a kick out of your side-saddle. LOL
Too bad Tanakh didn't do a courtly bow.:D

[muffler dragon]

And *I'm riding a side-saddle on my particular High Horse. :D

And that's only because of the Pinocchio action occurring when you tell lies like this. :P

[Ivy]

Ow, my nose just hit the computer screen.:o :sorry:

[Ivy]

It's different for everyone who finds grace, so do your best with what you know and treat them as you would wish to be treated. God will do the rest.

Just forgive all who you percieve are hurting you- that is vital.

Be a forgiver. Love them. That's the way of the Messiah.

That sounds like good advice. In a way, il, you're going through the same kind of thing Yeshua did. Yet we know he never rejected his own in return. Maybe it's an opportunity to become more like him. :thumbsup:

[Henaynei]

That sounds like good advice. In a way, il, you're going through the same kind of thing Yeshua did. Yet we know he never rejected his own in return. Maybe it's an opportunity to become more like him. :thumbsup: good advice :thumbsup: