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AngCath
20th December 2007, 11:37 PM
What, if any, is the Messianic view of Original Sin?
I have been doing some reading about the Jewish view of the 'yetzer hara' and I was wondering what the Messianic stance was (assuming there is a unified view at all).
Thanks in advance.
visionary
21st December 2007, 12:10 AM
yetzer hara (Hebrew for "evil inclination")
That is a lot different than original
We all have tendencies towards sin. That is an inclination not the original.
ChavaK
21st December 2007, 03:04 AM
yetzer hara (Hebrew for "evil inclination")
That is a lot different than original
We all have tendencies towards sin. That is an inclination not the original.
So do Messianics believe in "original sin", if I understand it
correctly, means the sin of Adam was passed on to all born
since then?
This is, of course, different than the concept of yetzer
hara....
Hix
21st December 2007, 04:14 AM
Some do, some don't. The vast majority do though.
brachah
21st December 2007, 07:38 AM
What, if any, is the Messianic view of Original Sin?
I have been doing some reading about the Jewish view of the 'yetzer hara' and I was wondering what the Messianic stance was (assuming there is a unified view at all).
Thanks in advance.
messianic/christian understanding of sin is very different fm judaism.
in the chinese culture, we have confucianism (human nature is good) & daoism (human nature is evil). Daoism (origin back to 5000 years ago) was much earlier than confucianism (770-221 BC). personally i agree with Daoism which happens to be close to christian concept of sin.
debi b
21st December 2007, 02:00 PM
Genesis 4:7 If you do well, shall you not be accepted? and if you do not well, sin lies at the door. And to you shall be his desire, and yet you may rule over him.
Genesis 6:3 And Hashem said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for he also is flesh...
A more literal translation on "for he also is flesh" would be "when to sin them he is flesh".
This word for sin here are the kind that are typically listed as sins of ignorance in Torah.
Ezekiel 45:20 And so you shall do on the seventh day of the month for everyone who sins in error or ignorance...
It is the same root that is translated as "sins in error" in this verse.
Personally I think it is from this that Paul got the analogy of "walking in the flesh" (in Hebrew thinking "to walk" means how you live).
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are:adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murder and the like; of which I tell you beforehand just as I have told you in times past, that that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of Elohim.
I love how he says "and the like" this is not a complete list - our behavior DOES matter.
Peter says:
1 Peter 4:1...for he who has suffered in flesh has ceased from sin.
John says
1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of Elohim does not sin...
So, I think I will stick with these :)
visionary
21st December 2007, 10:53 PM
When it talks of the sins of the father visiting the children... it is the environment of the home affecting and teaching the child to copy the family bad habits... and that is not original, that is an inherited inclination.
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