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Dorothea
20th December 2007, 05:53 PM
...the young teens and children who play them (when they shouldn't be, and really, these types of horrific, satanic videos shouldn't even be made, period). Sorry, but this subject is a huge sore spot for me, and I am very passionate about it. I hate the fact that these types of videos are made, targeted at young teens and adolescents, and my 7-year-old stepson (at the time) had brought his "Mortal Kombat" to our house during his first summer visitation. Troy and he were playing it once. I heard the narrator and literally had me have the chills go down my back. Sounded like the Devil himself speaking in that video, and the violence, I couldn't even look at it. I told my stepson to turn it off, and that that video and videos like this one were not allowed to be played in our house when he came to visit. That was settled. Unfortunately, he still played it at his house because his mother didn't seem to give a darn. :mad: :( :mad:


Colorado Teens Accused of Killing 7-Year-Old Girl With 'Mortal Kombat' Game Moves
Thursday, December 20, 2007


JOHNSTOWN, Colorado — Two teens have been charged with killing the 7-year-old sister of one of them by beating her with imitations of moves from the "Mortal Kombat" video game, prosecutors said.

Lamar Roberts, 17, and Heather Trujillo, 16, were charged as adults on one count each of felony child abuse causing death, state prosecutor Robert Miller said in court documents released Wednesday and filed a day earlier.

According to a police affidavit, the teens were baby-sitting Trujillo's half-sister, Zoe Garcia, on Dec. 6 while the girl's mother was at work. Zoe lost consciousness and stopped breathing after the teens hit, kicked and body-slammed her, imitating moves used in the video game, the document said.

Trujillo and Roberts tried reviving the girl by putting her under running water and attempting CPR before they called her mother and paramedics, the affidavits stated. The girl died at a hospital.

An autopsy showed she had a broken wrist, more than 20 bruises, swelling of the brain, and bleeding in her neck muscles and under her spine, the affidavits said.

There were no listed phone numbers in the Weld County directory for either Roberts' mother, Linda Clark, or Trujillo's, Dana Trujillo. Sheriff's spokeswoman Margie Martinez said late Wednesday that she did not know whether either teen had an attorney. The teens were being held at the Weld County jail but were not permitted to accept phone calls, Martinez said.

Roberts said he was downstairs playing video games while the sisters wrestled upstairs, police said. But a witness quoted in the affidavit said Roberts told her he had kicked the girl.

The witness told police that Roberts said Zoe had told them to stop wrestling. According to the affidavit, when the witness asked why they didn't stop, he responded, "I don't know; I was drunk."

If convicted, the teens could be sentenced to 48 years in prison.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317544,00.html

Orthosdoxa
20th December 2007, 06:21 PM
Lord have mercy. I know the video games influenced them, but they are plenty old enough to know right from wrong. They can rot in jail. :mad:

OnTheWay
20th December 2007, 08:01 PM
Blaming video games is a total cop out. Two violent criminals committed a violent crime, which would have happened with or without video games, and should be harshly punished.

Hoankan
20th December 2007, 08:27 PM
It doesn't excuse people for their actions but there is a correlation between watching violence or violent video games and a desensitization to violence. The more you watch, the less violence seems abnormal to you.

Now add in the fact that many kids watch well over 10 hours of violence a week and you get situations where violence just isn't seen as all that special.

nutroll
20th December 2007, 08:48 PM
The problem with this particular issue is that it is very easy to blur the line between correlation and causation. Do violent kids gravitate toward violent video games, or do violent video games make kids violent. I think the truth is somewhere between the two. I do think that violent kids gravitate toward violent video games. For some kids, it may be used to model behavior, as a learning experience in how to be violent. To the extent that this happens, I think video games do make kids violent. However, there are some kids that play violent video games as a release for anger that they might otherwise release in actual violence. In that way it might actually be somewhat beneficial to society, assuming that it does not feed that anger as a habit. There are also kids who aren't violent, and just like playing video games, and don't really care what the video games are about, it's just an activity. I think if a child has violent tendencies, letting them play violent video games can pose a grave risk. However, for a child with no real tendencies toward violence, I don't know that it really predisposes them to violence any more than the rest of the world around them does.

Dorothea
20th December 2007, 10:11 PM
My feelings on this issue of violent video games where spinal columns are yanked out of bodies, souls stolen, heads lopped off are nothing but evil, and there is no reason for them to be made. These types of video games do not contribute to society, so using the "freedom of speech," doesn't work for me. How about it's just not good for the society? Not making them would be better. Period.

OnTheWay
20th December 2007, 11:42 PM
Soceity would be better if no one made soda pop or candy, fewer people would be fat. Soceity would be better if no one drank alcohol, no DUI's, alcoholism or other associated problems. Virtually every other product could have something said against it. People do have a right to make and play violent video games because it's not for me, or anyone else, to tell them differently. Individual people commit individual crimes and should be held individually accountable for their own actions. The fact that some people abuse alcohol doesn't mean it should be withheld from everyone.

Dorothea
21st December 2007, 01:19 AM
This isn't a "free speech" or freedom issue. It's a decency issue, and yes it should be withheld....meaning, if they weren't being made, there wouldn't be a need to be debating this topic. I've heard this side and arguments before. It'll NEVER be ok to me. NEVER. Just like porn and other damaging things out there. I'm so tired of arguing this evening, sorry to take it out on you guys. I really need to take a break. Good evening.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs
21st December 2007, 10:39 AM
The problem is, we wouldn't be able to limit this kind of restriction to video games without being hypocritical. It would have to extend to movies, TV, books, magazines, and pretty much every other form of media. I agree that there are a lot of trashy games that are filled with gratuitous violence and other questionable story elements but the thought of censoring any medium makes me nervous.

I think the proliferation and popularity of ultra-violent video games is just a symptom of a deeper, more pressing problem to do with society as a whole. We've been bombarded with violent images our whole lives from the TV so it's only natural that when interactive media like video games come along they will be filled with violence.

Of course I'm not defending the games that people make but doing away with them wouldn't fix the problem any more than amputating a limb will cure someone of leukemia.

Ultra-violent video games are a sign of the times. Where there is a demand, there will be a supply and the demand is for interactive violence with no consequences. I know my son will probably get into video games when he is older and I intend to monitor what he plays and talk to him about it. It helps that I am a gamer myself so I can at least play the games and know what they contain.

It is a hairy issue to be sure. What a world we live in.:sigh:

Dorothea
21st December 2007, 01:46 PM
Thanks for your post, TPFKA. Yes, this is part of the decline of the society. I guess it just upsets me so.

My boys play video games...and they are age-appropriate, mostly Mario Bros games, and we all play them together at times. It was very difficult having to deal with my husband's son and his video games when he'd come to visit for summer visitation. Ever since the first visit, though, he knew not to bring the heinous, satanic ones to our house. It is upsetting to look at a cheat code video games magazine/book, and there are pictures of robotic looking people snatching bloody hearts out of live people's bodies, and video games of demons going around stealing people's souls. I truly believe people that make these types of games and those who are drawn to them are influenced by the Evil One.