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CGL
19th December 2007, 05:39 PM
I hate people.
I hate how they treat others, I hate how the treat themselves and I hate how they treat their God.
Ever second word seems to be blasphemous, every second thought seems to be self-sufficient.
Man is so evil; so evil.
Two years ago I had more friends then I could count, I moved for a year, before moving back.
I've been here for a year and all but three people have contacted me - the rest seem to be to busy with themselves to even check me for a pulse.
Now, I truly don't care because even if they did come to me in flocks I would turn down their invitations - as a grow more spiritual, I grow more appalled of their world - but to the ones that it would bother. How awful that must be, how awful of those people to totally neglect a former friend because they may not acquiesce with that person's "five-year-plan".
We live in a world where pride, status, wealth and sexuality are the vital priorities. We live in a world where the poor, meek and humble are destroyed.
I want to be gentle, kind and loving like Christ, I want to make God as happy as I can.
But this, this I'm struggling with.
How do I hate the sin, but love the sinner?
NewGuy101
19th December 2007, 07:22 PM
I think what helps me is knowing that the only reason why I am different than them is that I am one of God's elect. Without his grace, I would be just like them blaspheming God and coursing him and his creation.
Hentenza
19th December 2007, 11:09 PM
I hate people.
I hate how they treat others, I hate how the treat themselves and I hate how they treat their God.
Ever second word seems to be blasphemous, every second thought seems to be self-sufficient.
Man is so evil; so evil.
Two years ago I had more friends then I could count, I moved for a year, before moving back.
I've been here for a year and all but three people have contacted me - the rest seem to be to busy with themselves to even check me for a pulse.
Now, I truly don't care because even if they did come to me in flocks I would turn down their invitations - as a grow more spiritual, I grow more appalled of their world - but to the ones that it would bother. How awful that must be, how awful of those people to totally neglect a former friend because they may not acquiesce with that person's "five-year-plan".
We live in a world where pride, status, wealth and sexuality are the vital priorities. We live in a world where the poor, meek and humble are destroyed.
I want to be gentle, kind and loving like Christ, I want to make God as happy as I can.
But this, this I'm struggling with.
How do I hate the sin, but love the sinner?
Hate the sin, but love the sinner is hard for us because we remain imperfect in our humanity and can not love completely. Also, we can not love without malice. Only God can do both of these.
God loves mankind and He is love so you need to hang on to those truths. The Bible clearly teaches that God is love, as well as that God shows love. 1 John 4:8-9 says, "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him."
God can both love and hate perfectly well because He is God! God can hate without any sinful intent at all. Therefore, he can hate the sin and the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still be willing to lovingly forgive at the moment of that sinner's repentance and faith (see Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9).
We hate sin by refusing to take part in it and by condemning it when we see it. Sin is to be hated, not excused or taken lightly. We love the sinner by being faithful in witnessing to them of the forgiveness that is available through Jesus Christ.
Man can be evil but we, as children of Christ, need to learn how to forgive, not judge, and allow the love of God to define our actions and reactions. I would not worry too much about your friends. They have to find their own way. It seems that you have found yours.
BigNorsk
2nd January 2008, 03:25 PM
I think this parable helps put it in perspective.
Mat 18:21-35 NET.
(21) Then Peter came to him and said, "Lord, how many times must I forgive my brother who sins against me? As many as seven times?"
(22) Jesus said to him, "Not seven times, I tell you, but seventy-seven times!
(23) "For this reason, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his slaves.
(24) As he began settling his accounts, a man who owed ten thousand talents was brought to him.
(25) Because he was not able to repay it, the lord ordered him to be sold, along with his wife, children, and whatever he possessed, and repayment to be made.
(26) Then the slave threw himself to the ground before him, saying, 'Be patient with me, and I will repay you everything.'
(27) The lord had compassion on that slave and released him, and forgave him the debt.
(28) After he went out, that same slave found one of his fellow slaves who owed him one hundred silver coins. So he grabbed him by the throat and started to choke him, saying, 'Pay back what you owe me!'
(29) Then his fellow slave threw himself down and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will repay you.'
(30) But he refused. Instead, he went out and threw him in prison until he repaid the debt.
(31) When his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were very upset and went and told their lord everything that had taken place.
(32) Then his lord called the first slave and said to him, 'Evil slave! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me!
(33) Should you not have shown mercy to your fellow slave, just as I showed it to you?'
(34) And in anger his lord turned him over to the prison guards to torture him until he repaid all he owed.
(35) So also my heavenly Father will do to you, if each of you does not forgive your brother from your heart."
desmalia
3rd January 2008, 09:19 PM
I hate people.
I hate how they treat others, I hate how the treat themselves and I hate how they treat their God.
Ever second word seems to be blasphemous, every second thought seems to be self-sufficient.
Man is so evil; so evil.
Two years ago I had more friends then I could count, I moved for a year, before moving back.
I've been here for a year and all but three people have contacted me - the rest seem to be to busy with themselves to even check me for a pulse.
Now, I truly don't care because even if they did come to me in flocks I would turn down their invitations - as a grow more spiritual, I grow more appalled of their world - but to the ones that it would bother. How awful that must be, how awful of those people to totally neglect a former friend because they may not acquiesce with that person's "five-year-plan".
We live in a world where pride, status, wealth and sexuality are the vital priorities. We live in a world where the poor, meek and humble are destroyed.
I want to be gentle, kind and loving like Christ, I want to make God as happy as I can.
But this, this I'm struggling with.
How do I hate the sin, but love the sinner?
The kind of hate you're describing here comes from fear and hurt. It sounds like you've been deeply hurt and maybe still working through all of that. It's something that many of us have endured at some point (myself included. In fact I too once moved away for a year and then returned to find my friends had moved on and forgotten me.). It does take time to move past that hurt and come to a point where we stop putting up self-protecting walls, and start opening up to the world again.
Moving forward involves prayer, Scripture meditation, healing, humility, rest in our Lord, and forgiveness for those who have hurt you. It's a process. And it's one we cannot proceed in without the help of Christ. But it is absolutely one we must go through if we are to grow spiritually and be effective in ministry. Eventually you will be able to see even the worst of them as God sees them: as valuable and unique children of God who so desperately need Him. Believers or not, we all sin, and we all hurt each other at times, even when we don't mean to. Don't forget that growing spiritually is not just about understanding what sin is in this world. It means becoming more Christ-like, humble, forgiving, loving, at peace, while holding to and sharing His perfect truth.
I urge you to pray for God's healing hand on your broken heart, and for his divine help in forgiving those who have hurt you. Then seek His answers to you in the Scriptures.
We must learn to be very careful not to use the idea of righteous anger as an excuse to hate anyone. We are called to love even our enemies. And we can do that because we rest in the perfect love and protection of our Savior. In the end, we have nothing to fear.
tturt
29th February 2008, 09:38 AM
Great responses!
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