Sick of the hate

[Chococat]

I visited another part of this site yesterday and while I don't want to give too much detail I was sickened beyond words by the hatred and bigotry being spewed out by people on the board. Why oh why do some people start threads with the express purpose of causing trouble and why oh why are some professing Christians filled with hatred and bigotry to the extent of condoning violence towards the people they perceive as their enemies. I came away filled with anger and sadness that such spite can actually take place on a Christian site. Even now I am still angry.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ReformedChapin]

Because not everyone who calls themselves Christian is one in this site. Also because we are sinners?

[Angeldove97]

Exactly I think just many of us feel that Christ likes us no matter what--- we're slow to change but quick to anger. I'm sorry you had this experience, but the best thing to do for them is show them love and pray for them. :pray:

[ChristianCenturion]

I visited another part of this site yesterday and while I don't want to give too much detail I was sickened beyond words by the hatred and bigotry being spewed out by people on the board. Why oh why do some people start threads with the express purpose of causing trouble and why oh why are some professing Christians filled with hatred and bigotry to the extent of condoning violence towards the people they perceive as their enemies. I came away filled with anger and sadness that such spite can actually take place on a Christian site. Even now I am still angry.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Yeah, there are a few things that shock or naturally evoke a certain reaction. But it is just a forum with very little structure and priority placed in making sure members and forum align in certain ways... even when there are titles used. I'm not saying certain things should be acceptable or considered 'good', but it is a state that has been so for some time for whatever reason.

I found it was less frustrating for me if I dropped expectations of 'Christian' in general. I pretty much consider it just a forum.

But after a while, one becomes familiar with where each individual's worldview and values are coming. That seems to help a little... to consider the fruit as opposed to just a simple claim.

[rrguy]

Yeah its kind of Ironic for to find that on a Christian forum. I think alot of people take there belief serious & get offended easy by opposing views. It saddens me when people lack professionalism, cause I like debates; it makes people search why they believe what they say, well sometimes? lol Yet I know some sites you can make a joke about someones wife, but bring up Religion & watch the fire start or it get locked asap?

[Criada]

It is sad.
And all we can do is pray for those involved... and be very careful in what we post ourselves.
Because it can be easy to get caught up in this, and forget the effect that what we 'say' may have on real people who are reading it.

[Voegelin]

When all the rhetoric is removed, the hate I see comes down to this:

An attack on Christian morality.

This comes from Friedrich Nietzsche.

He told his readers Christianity could not be fought on revealed truth; the only way to defeat Christianity is to make people believe Christian morality is immoral and Christian ethics unethical.

Go into "Ethics and Morality". This tactic is used on every thread. It is always, or almost always, disguised as "compassion", "not discriminating" and accepting the outcast.

In other words, Christian ethics and morality are used to undermine Christian ethics and morality--theological jujutsu.

There are denominational fights. I don't dispute that. Those can be intense but are of little import compared to the frontal assaul on the faith itself. And, in many cases, those who engage in those denominational battles are not fighting that fight at all. They are using one group of Christians to undermine another. The next day they will reverse roles and use A. to undermine B. That is why I stay out of those forums. Too much effort is required to determine who is real and who is not.

[Ishida]

Gotta define what constitutes as hate and bigotry, because many here probably get accused of that often.

[PreachersWife2004]

Gotta define what constitutes as hate and bigotry, because many here probably get accused of that often.

I've been accused of those things, maybe not here necessarily but at other places. I've been called judgmental, I've been called closed-minded, I've been called hypocritical and I've been called holier-than-thou.

And this is in response to me simply stating that homosexuality was a sin. :scratch: AND...some of it was by other Christians.

[BAFRIEND]

I visited another part of this site yesterday and while I don't want to give too much detail I was sickened beyond words by the hatred and bigotry being spewed out by people on the board. Why oh why do some people start threads with the express purpose of causing trouble and why oh why are some professing Christians filled with hatred and bigotry to the extent of condoning violence towards the people they perceive as their enemies. I came away filled with anger and sadness that such spite can actually take place on a Christian site. Even now I am still angry.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Yeah, definitely stay away from that liberal Christian forum.

[SolomonVII]

I am also saddened and sickened by the hatred with which this site so often treats the traditions and the morals of the two thousand year Christian tradition of love. The absolute contempt with which 40 million of America's unborn have been thrown into the medical trash bins, for example fills me with a profound sense of horror even.

And that such nihilistic violence is actually being propogated by CF Christians even is just unfathomable!

But we must understand that Satan has been poisoning the minds of Christians through Nietzche and Marx and Freud and a whole host of others educators and thinkers until many of us no longer have a concept of right or wrong any more.

Once you being to realize just how much the mind of the liberal-and more than just a few conservatives too- has been poisoned by such teachings, Chococat, then perhaps your anger too will be transformed into an overhwelming sene of pity for these pathetic creatures that live without the light of Christian morality in their lives.


http://www3.christianforums.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Sick of the hate


I visited another part of this site yesterday and while I don't want to give too much detail I was sickened beyond words by the hatred and bigotry being spewed out by people on the board. Why oh why do some people start threads with the express purpose of causing trouble and why oh why are some professing Christians filled with hatred and bigotry to the extent of condoning violence towards the people they perceive as their enemies. I came away filled with anger and sadness that such spite can actually take place on a Christian site. Even now I am still angry.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Ishida]

I've been accused of those things, maybe not here necessarily but at other places. I've been called judgmental, I've been called closed-minded, I've been called hypocritical and I've been called holier-than-thou.

And this is in response to me simply stating that homosexuality was a sin. :scratch: AND...some of it was by other Christians.
Yeah, I've been told I make someone "ashamed and sick to be a Christian." Oh well. Just pray for the truth, and pray that we'll stand for it. Atheists can say what they want, but it's weird coming from other Christians.

[LilLamb219]

We're all sinful and in need of a Savior...gladly one was provided and we shall soon celebrate his birth.

It's not fair to try to say those aren't Christians though. We've most likely all have typed something on here that has offended another person.

Forgive them.

[tulc]

Yeah, definitely stay away from that liberal Christian forum.

LOL! Where did she say that she was talking about the liberal Christian forum? :D
tulc(just curious) :)

[DerSchweik]

In the end, we must all be responsible for our own behavior, and then pray for those around us, within our own circle of influence, that God change their lives as well.

Often, God will answer such a prayer by moving us to be an agent of the Gospel on their behalf, whether to pray for them, serve them, become their friend, or share and study the Bible with them.

But if we have neglected our behavior such that God cannot use us, we end up with little cause for complaint over other's behaviors.

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How to Silence these people:
On another note, the best way to silence those who "argue for argument's sake," or stir up strife by whatever methods, is simply not to respond. Scroll past their posts, avoid their threads, whatever works; BUT DO NOT RESPOND!

As others have noted, these "instigators" come from both "Christian" and non-Christian camps. The solution for both is still the same - silence.

Unfortunately, and I count myself having been guilty of this as well, we are too tempted, whether in "defense of the faith" or purely for the sake of shutting someone up with our superior logic and knowledge of the Bible - to respond.

In so doing, all we do is give them a podium to pontificate their venom of choice.

All we need to do, IMHO, is not respond. And if no one responded to them, they might start new threads, they might continue to post to existing ones, but with themselves as their only audience, I guarantee they will soon lose interest and go elsewhere to find an audience they can EXPECT to respond.

In Him,

[Angeldove97]

Regardless of them being liberal or conservative, they're still our Brothers and Sisters in Christ--- and we're called to love them, to care for them, and to worship with them... not against them.

[ChristianCenturion]

Regardless of them being liberal or conservative, they're still our Brothers and Sisters in Christ--- and we're called to love them, to care for them, and to worship with them... not against them.

With respect, I do reserve a God-given right to discern who my brother or sister might be. A person might be my neighbor, but brother or sister would include a unity that isn't inherently there if they prove by fruit to serve another father or worship something other than God.

Just in case there might be some doubt, I do care for the neighbor. It simply doesn't require me to call them my brother or sister.

[SolomonVII]

....
On another note, the best way to silence those who "argue for argument's sake," or stir up strife by whatever methods, is simply not to respond. Scroll past their posts, avoid their threads, whatever works; BUT DO NOT RESPOND!
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All we need to do, IMHO, is not respond. And if no one responded to them, they might start new threads, they might continue to post to existing ones, but with themselves as their only audience, I guarantee they will soon lose interest and go elsewhere to find an audience they can EXPECT to respond.

In Him,
The reverse is also true by the way. By responding only to the ignorant posts, and passing the good ones by without comment, the trend of any forum is set on a downward trajectory.

Good posters too are effected by the silence treatment.

And that is a real problem for these boards. We often only respond to something when our emotions are prickled enough to provoke a reaction from us. And however much we might appeciate a good post, the better the post, the harder it is to respond to.

For a good post says it all. So often there is nothing left to be said.

[Angeldove97]

Well if we don't have much to say about the post, but we did enjoy it we can at least post a "Thank you" or something and give them some reps. I know reps doesn't make you very special here, but I personally really enjoy having the chance to read through the little comments that people send with them.

[DerSchweik]

The reverse is also true by the way. By responding only to the ignorant posts, and passing the good ones by without comment, the trend of any forum is set on a downward trajectory.

Good posters too are effected by the silence treatment.

And that is a real problem for these boards. We often only respond to something when our emotions are prickled enough to provoke a reaction from us. And however much we might appeciate a good post, the better the post, the harder it is to respond to.

For a good post says it all. So often there is nothing left to be said.
Excellent point. Thanks! I wholeheartedly agree. :thumbsup:

I could say "good post" but then that would mean I wouldn't have to write any more, ha! (Just kidding). ;)

One of the advantages of a venue like this (Christian on-line forum) is our ability to encourage and edify one another, particularly when they have written something commendable and commensurate with a Godly truth or grace. :amen:

It might be noted that is why I think the Friendship Court (& similar areas) seems to be so popular. There are few, if any, threads in those forums of a controversial nature or of a nature that encourages argumentation - just Christians loving and uplifting other Christians through prayers, congrats, photos, etc., etc. I think it noteworthy that none (at least that I've seen thus far) of these "troublemakers" of which we speak bother to go there - they know they will not have an audience there; they know they will be immediately reported and shunned should they try any of their shenanigans there, and that such shenanigans would be patently and immediately obvious - moreover, they've by definition no interest in edification or uplifting others; they're soon bored by such activities.

[LilLamb219]

You'll know them by their fruit...but that doesn't mean that you have to look to their fruit for complete determination as we ALL FAIL in producing perfect fruit all the time. That's why you look to their confession and if it's in Christ Jesus and Him-crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

With respect, I do reserve a God-given right to discern who my brother or sister might be. A person might be my neighbor, but brother or sister would include a unity that isn't inherently there if they prove by fruit to serve another father or worship something other than God.

Just in case there might be some doubt, I do care for the neighbor. It simply doesn't require me to call them my brother or sister.

[ChristianCenturion]

You'll know them by their fruit...but that doesn't mean that you have to look to their fruit for complete determination as we ALL FAIL in producing perfect fruit all the time. That's why you look to their confession and if it's in Christ Jesus and Him-crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

True enough, LilLamb219. :hug:
It was by God's hand that Saul of Tarsus was not only born again, but also received by brethren.

And in case I didn't articulate it well, I'm not trying to advocate anything like a perfectionism that contradicts grace, growth, iron sharpening iron, the mature helping the younger in faith, even a possible faulty understanding, our individual struggles against the flesh and so forth.

But I do think many of us are at least a little familiar with encountering wolves, the motivations of the flesh and the spiritual warfare in general to not buy into various opinions and premises expressed from time to time. To that, I see where speaking for our self and keeping ourselves pure are prudent. It is in that context that I tried to express an advocacy for discernment and stand.

[JPPT1974]

We need to ask more Christ-like
If we are Christians and
Treat others the way that
We like and want to be treated!

[Colabomb]

I've been accused of those things, maybe not here necessarily but at other places. I've been called judgmental, I've been called closed-minded, I've been called hypocritical and I've been called holier-than-thou.

And this is in response to me simply stating that homosexuality was a sin. :scratch: AND...some of it was by other Christians.

Isn't tolerance wonderful! :)

[Debi1967]

Let me then add something to this conversation, we can judge who we choose to associate with by their fruits and that is wise, but to judge another's salvation well that is for God to do and this was expressly stated by the Lord.....

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that you may not be judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


We must be careful to discern which way we are judging.

However let me make clear what it states in later in the chapter

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.

[SolomonVII]

Well if we don't have much to say about the post, but we did enjoy it we can at least post a "Thank you" or something and give them some reps. I know reps doesn't make you very special here, but I personally really enjoy having the chance to read through the little comments that people send with them.
I finally got it to where i can finaly see the reps report with one click of a burtton again. I actually turned off that feature for a bit because the report was coming only sporadically and I didn't like the idea of people repping me without being aware.

it is a good feature though. Fellowship threads are very popular too and a good way to remain positive.
What I enjoy most is participation in the actual thread, especially if the issue is a pressing one.

[DerSchweik]

Let me then add something to this conversation, we can judge who we choose to associate with by their fruits and that is wise, but to judge another's salvation well that is for God to do and this was expressly stated by the Lord.....

Hi Debi!

I heartily agree - the issue of church discipline has nothing whatsoever to do with judging a person's salvation - merely their behavior - and that without anything but the utmost effort to prayerfully attempt to discern their willingness to change that behavior that egregiously conflicts with the Lord's wishes.

We must not judge a person's heart - for we cannot know what lies therein.

We must not judge a person's intent - for we cannot know that either.

And if a brother sin, we are admonished by Jesus to forgive him:

"Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"
Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." (Mt 18:21f)

That verse comes on the heal of the church discipline verse, and must be incorporated along with it for a proper handling of such situations.

In Him,

[tulc]

Hi Debi!

I heartily agree - the issue of church discipline has nothing whatsoever to do with judging a person's salvation - merely their behavior - and that without anything but the utmost effort to prayerfully attempt to discern their willingness to change that behavior that egregiously conflicts with the Lord's wishes.

We must not judge a person's heart - for we cannot know what lies therein.

We must not judge a person's intent - for we cannot know that either.

And if a brother sin, we are admonished by Jesus to forgive him:

"Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"
Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." (Mt 18:21f)

That verse comes on the heal of the church discipline verse, and must be incorporated along with it for a proper handling of such situations.


I agree, I also think the end of that chapter has a pretty serious warning for us all:
21Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. (emph. given)
those of us who are forgiven much, are to forgive much. :)
tulc(a sinner, who's been forgiven much) ;)

[Debi1967]

Hi Debi!

I heartily agree - the issue of church discipline has nothing whatsoever to do with judging a person's salvation - merely their behavior - and that without anything but the utmost effort to prayerfully attempt to discern their willingness to change that behavior that egregiously conflicts with the Lord's wishes.

We must not judge a person's heart - for we cannot know what lies therein.

We must not judge a person's intent - for we cannot know that either.

And if a brother sin, we are admonished by Jesus to forgive him:

"Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"
Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." (Mt 18:21f)

That verse comes on the heal of the church discipline verse, and must be incorporated along with it for a proper handling of such situations.

In Him,
Hi DerSchweik,
Perfect followup to my post thank you for expanding on it more and bringing further to light what I was trying to point out.

Lovingly In Christ
Merry Christmas
Debi

[Nadiine]

Gotta define what constitutes as hate and bigotry, because many here probably get accused of that often.
*just noticed what section I was in - sorry*
=)

[Criada]

(((Nadiine)))
Good to see you.
:hug:

[Nadiine]

(((Nadiine)))
Good to see you.
:hug:
you too Criada
:hug: hugs back!!

[zoziw]

I visited another part of this site yesterday and while I don't want to give too much detail I was sickened beyond words by the hatred and bigotry being spewed out by people on the board. Why oh why do some people start threads with the express purpose of causing trouble and why oh why are some professing Christians filled with hatred and bigotry to the extent of condoning violence towards the people they perceive as their enemies. I came away filled with anger and sadness that such spite can actually take place on a Christian site. Even now I am still angry.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

All I can say is "welcome to the internet".

It seems that forums like this both attract a certain type and are impersonal and anonymous enough that some otherwise decent people feel they can dispense with basic kindness and respect when posting.

No group is exempt, there are problems on all sides.

Of course, there are a lot of users at this site who are very kind and respectful.

My advice is to avoid forums, threads and posters that you know will make you angry and focus on the ones that don't.

Ignoring these bad areas won't make them go away but there isn't any point in allowing a bunch of strangers on the internet to ruin your day and make you angry.

[Rochir]

I visited another part of this site yesterday and while I don't want to give too much detail I was sickened beyond words by the hatred and bigotry being spewed out by people on the board. Why oh why do some people start threads with the express purpose of causing trouble and why oh why are some professing Christians filled with hatred and bigotry to the extent of condoning violence towards the people they perceive as their enemies. I came away filled with anger and sadness that such spite can actually take place on a Christian site. Even now I am still angry.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

In a case like this I'd recommend stepping away from any religious online community and take a look at the good people around you in your real life!

THEY represent Christianity more than anyone or anything you'll find online!;)

[Rochir]

Yeah, definitely stay away from that liberal Christian forum.

And why's that? You post there regularly! :)

[Rochir]

Isn't tolerance wonderful! :)

Yes, it is! - Think about countries that practice (religious) intollerance, like Saudi Arabia! :wave:

[Rochir]

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that you may not be judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


:amen:

[SolomonVII]

*just noticed what section I was in - sorry*
=)
No reason to be sorry.

There's no membership here anymore. Anybody can post.

And as long as the debate isn't contrary to conservative Christian moral, ethical or theological values, anybody can even debate within those parameters.

[SolomonVII]

[quote]Let me then add something to this conversation, we can judge who we choose to associate with by their fruits and that is wise, but to judge another's salvation well that is for God to do and this was expressly stated by the Lord.....
It certainly is good advise. If one knows that one is prone to certain kinds of sin, it is best to steer clear from certain kinds of sinners. The reasoning of an alcoholic's friends, for example, will be a lot more tempting to a reforming alocholic than his reasons for reforming would be for them.

Unless one has a God-given gift of healing those who are damaged, it is a better idea to steer clear of that which tempts us. It is all-too-common for the bad apple to spoil the whole barrel but for the bad apple to be become good through the touch of the good is the stuff of miracle.


Mat 7:1 Judge not, that you may not be judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?
One thing to note here is that even the hypocrite realizes that his actions in the dark is a sin.
Jesus is speaking out against the hypcricy of appearances, but it was apparent to all in that era what was deemed to be sinful, and what was not.

This is not the case for our era.

Recall the words of Vogelin:
When all the rhetoric is removed, the hate I see comes down to this:
An attack on Christian morality.
This comes from Friedrich Nietzsche.
He told his readers Christianity could not be fought on revealed truth; the only way to defeat Christianity is to make people believe Christian morality is immoral and Christian ethics unethical.

Hypocricy is a sin of those who already know what is good. But what is now confused is the idea that anything is good. It is not just that the (hypocritical) conservative Christian now fails to live up to the morality that he is pretending to, but that the morality itself is being place under the gun.




Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

This is the crux of the whole verse, isn't it? Without becoming healed ourselves, we are in no position to heal others. We must know that the mote is in our eye, that it is a sin, and that it must be removed first before we are in any position to aid others in their similar struggles.

I would say though that our society today is one step regressed from where Jewish society was in the time of Jesus' ministry.
Often we are instructed that the mote itself is a natural thing, and if natural, then good.


We must be careful to discern which way we are judging.

Better for sinners to pray for forgiveness of their sins than to pretend that they don't have them, yes.


However let me make clear what it states in later in the chapter

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.


In Christianity, especially at this time of year, it is very easy for us to conceive of God as a helpless infant who is in need of our care as any infant is.
In Jewish society of that time, the dogs were the Gentiles. The Father entrusted Mary, and the millienial old Hebrew tradition which Mary was a part of in order for his gift of Jesus to be nurtured within.
As we all know now in retrospect, the gift of Jesus was destined specifically for the dogs and the swines of the nations!

The bestial nature of pigs and swine is certainly an aspect of our human inheritance. And the one born in the manger in fact did come to present himself as food for beasts such as us.

First though we, the vehicle for presenting the gift to the world must be purified. Like with Mary the mote must first be removed, the Word pondered in our hearts, and we must prepare ourselves to be in a position to actually be able to present the gift to a hungering world.

'Judge not', then requires that there is first a capability for discernment that western society increasingly lacks.
It requires that sin be recognized for the evil that it is.

With our society now being repaganized back into dogs and swine, and coyotes too, it is more and more the case that the gift of Jesus will be coming form corners of the earth far more diverse than has been the case for the past 2000 years.

[Colabomb]

Yes, it is! - Think about countries that practice (religious) intollerance, like Saudi Arabia! :wave:

Or Canada.

True Tolerance is fine. What many practice in the US is not true tolerance however but something completely different.

[zoziw]

Or Canada.

True Tolerance is fine. What many practice in the US is not true tolerance however but something completely different.

How is Canada intolerant of religion?

[Colabomb]

How is Canada intolerant of religion?

Hatecrime laws.

It is illegal to say certain things are sinful or wrong up there.

[SolomonVII]

Hatecrime laws.

It is illegal to say certain things are sinful or wrong up there.
successful persecution (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2007/11/30/boissoin-ruling.html)


more (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29328)



In a current case, a British Columbia teacher could lose his job for making "derogatory and demeaning" statements against homosexuals, according to the judgment of a teachers association panel. Though none of the statements in question were made in class, the panel cited letters to a newspaper that indicated veteran teacher Chris Kempling's attitude could poison the class environment.
One Kempling letter cited by the panel said: "Gay people are seriously at risk, not because of heterosexual attitudes but because of their sexual behaviour, and I challenge the gay community to show some real evidence that they are trying to protect their own community members by making attempts to promote monogamous, long-lasting relationships to combat sexual addictions." The Vancouver Sun reported Sept. 25 that the panel does not need to find direct evidence of a poisoned school environment to determine that a member is guilty of conduct unbecoming. The panel said, "It is sufficient that an inference can be drawn as to the reasonable and probable consequences of the discriminatory comments of a teacher."


It is quite amzaing what is being said here really.Just pointing out the higher risks of a behavior, and your job is sudenly at risk.

The secular orthodoxy of the West is not very tolerant at all.

But, correct, this is not Saudi Arabia after all, where a girl is subject to lashes for being gang-raped.

However, then again, the first case of persecution under the hate laws was against a man who pointed out a little too vociferously the connection between such violence and sharia.
So did I just break the law too, by pointing out that Canada and Saudi Arabia wer different? Does my attitude too, require an adjustment under Canadian law? link (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29483)