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Voegelin
18th December 2007, 09:03 PM
First Things
Nathaniel Peters
December 18, 2007

The New York Times today has an interesting article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/us/18witchcraft.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin), which talks about a prayer service held late at night for the express purpose of spiritual warfare . . .

The ministry was started by a Congolese couple and illustrates a significant feature of African Christianity. For many Christians, especially African ones, the battle really is against spiritual forces, not those of the flesh.

One of the great joys for African Christians is the conquering freedom that Jesus brings over the old order of witch doctors, spells, and totems.

The Bible talks about this, but since idol worship and magic are not in our immediate cultural past, the Bible’s words do not resonate as deeply for Westerners. Not so for African Christians: “The day before, the parishioners began a fast. ‘Why do we fast toward the end of the year?’ Mrs. Shinga said to the worshipers. ‘That is when Satan wants sacrifices, blood, and so we ask God to protect us and our families.’” . . .

. . . the Times article (reminded me) that this picture of religion is not just a Baroque construction of foreign cultures. Indeed, it is what most of the world throughout history has known as religion. Once we remember what the old order was, we can see all the better the extent to which Christ overthrows it as the one who takes the Curse upon himself and the one who is the final sacrifice to end all sacrifices . . .

http://www.firstthings.com/blog/2007/12/18/spiritual-warfare-in-washington-dc/

Izdaari
19th December 2007, 12:25 AM
The African Christians have it right. Our war is not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities.

HisKid1973
19th December 2007, 12:45 AM
I spent a day a few years ago with over 1 million men doing spiritual warfare in Washington..It was an incredible experience..shalom..kim

Mickey1953
19th December 2007, 06:36 AM
First Things
Nathaniel Peters
December 18, 2007

The New York Times today has an interesting article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/us/18witchcraft.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin), which talks about a prayer service held late at night for the express purpose of spiritual warfare . . .

The ministry was started by a Congolese couple and illustrates a significant feature of African Christianity. For many Christians, especially African ones, the battle really is against spiritual forces, not those of the flesh.

One of the great joys for African Christians is the conquering freedom that Jesus brings over the old order of witch doctors, spells, and totems.

The Bible talks about this, but since idol worship and magic are not in our immediate cultural past, the Bible’s words do not resonate as deeply for Westerners. Not so for African Christians: “The day before, the parishioners began a fast. ‘Why do we fast toward the end of the year?’ Mrs. Shinga said to the worshipers. ‘That is when Satan wants sacrifices, blood, and so we ask God to protect us and our families.’” . . .

. . . the Times article (reminded me) that this picture of religion is not just a Baroque construction of foreign cultures. Indeed, it is what most of the world throughout history has known as religion. Once we remember what the old order was, we can see all the better the extent to which Christ overthrows it as the one who takes the Curse upon himself and the one who is the final sacrifice to end all sacrifices . . .

http://www.firstthings.com/blog/2007/12/18/spiritual-warfare-in-washington-dc/


Thank you for posting this...I would have missed the article.

Voegelin
19th December 2007, 06:54 AM
Thank you for posting this...I would have missed the article.

My pleasure! I was delighted to find it myself and especially to find First Things' commentary which fleshes out what is occurrig in these churches.

I do not think about the "old order". Or I didn't until reading this. But in one or two generations, we could be, while not back to exactly what it was, back to a superstitious paganism.

Christianity's great gift to every non-believer in the world was the removal of gods from the world. The concept that the world makes sense, that we can understand the logos, that there are not leering gods lurking behind rocks and trees who influence human affairs, allowed pure science to enter the world.

I see articles and I've posted them myself on witchcraft in Africa. Some are amusing, some are tragic and horrific. All have struck me, as the OP says, as baroque and far removed. But they really aren't. These things were moved out of our house a long time ago. But they aren't gone (as the OP shows) and the only thing which stops them from moving back in is the Christian faith. I know secularists will say they are immune to this. But they are not. Their idols are simply different than the idols of the old order. We saw what materialist atheist secular idols did in the 20th century. It was no accident that it was mostly Christians who fought and defeated them (for now).

ChristianCenturion
20th December 2007, 11:47 AM
I spent a day a few years ago with over 1 million men doing spiritual warfare in Washington..It was an incredible experience..shalom..kim

Stand in the Gap, 1997?
I was at that one.

... great memories.

JPPT1974
22nd December 2007, 12:02 AM
I spent a day a few years ago with over 1 million men doing spiritual warfare in Washington..It was an incredible experience..shalom..kim

I remember reading about that
As it must had been an awesome
Experience for you!

HisKid1973
22nd December 2007, 12:24 PM
It was awesome..I think it was 97..My tee shirt lasted till this past summer..