Non Denom.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

I made this post over in Non Denom, and asked some questions to see what kind of a responce I will get. It will be interresting to see how the Christians there respond to it. http://christianforums.com/t6580837-wow-something-i-overlooked.html

[visionary]

Be careful. A good shepard doe not move ahead of the flock, but is behind the flock incouraging them forward.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Be careful. A good shepard doe not move ahead of the flock, but is behind the flock incouraging them forward. That true, but they have had their hoofs dug into the ground.

[ContentInHim]

Well, I noticed that some were open to it! :thumbsup:

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Well, I noticed that some were open to it! :thumbsup: Yeah, that was a suprise. Here is the other problem; Passover and Unleavened bread Sabbath Feasts, are a function of the church.

[HadassahSukkot]

that actually was a passage that made me realize I needed to step back into all of this. :)

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

that actually was a passage that made me realize I needed to step back into all of this. :) Could you explain that a little bit. More detail.
:wave:

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

There are two kinds of Christians in the world, Judaeo Christians, and Pagan Christians. It is your responcesability to know which one you are, not mine.

[simchat_torah]

It is your responcesability to know which one you are, not mine.lol.

Too many ways to describe why I'm LOL'ing right now...

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

lol.

Too many ways to describe why I'm LOL'ing right now... Some day you will have to suprise me with some kind words.

[A_Pioneer]

Remember the quotation about the Rose?
I find it hard to see a difference.
Rather paradoxical to me.
Kinda reminds me of the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers, the two waters run together for many miles clear fresh water along side of dark muddy waters, but eventually they become one muddy mess.

Lu 5:36; Can any form of Christianity do it?

Shalom

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Remember the quotation about the Rose?
I find it hard to see a difference.
Rather paradoxical to me.
Kinda reminds me of the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers, the two waters run together for many miles clear fresh water along side of dark muddy waters, but eventually they become one muddy mess.

Lu 5:36; Can any form of Christianity do it?

Shalom

Yes, it is a muddy mess. Christians tend to forget that they have converted to Judaism, with a new covenant. Some how I need to find a solution to this problem. I hope to have it solved in the next four years. Im going to drive a wedge between Judah and Ephraim.

[visionary]

I thought the purpose was to bring together not drive a wedge.

[A_Pioneer]

Yes, it is a muddy mess. Christians tend to forget that they have converted to Judaism, with a new covenant. Some how I need to find a solution to this problem. I hope to have it solved in the next four years. Im going to drive a wedge between Judah and Ephraim.
They don't "Tend" to forget, they intentionally do away with the Torah and have formed a new Religion, as far from the "Law" as they can get.
The Hebrew Roots Movement is to return disenfranchised believers to Torah. Then and only then will there be "Unity" in one "Way of Life."
Yeshua will be the element of that way of life for both the Nations and the Children of Israel. In Y H V H 'S good time.
Shalom

[Lulav]

From what I've read they seem to think you are condemning them for not keeping the proper Sabbath and Passover. For those who are being called to obedience, they will hear, the rest you will just tick off.

[LittleLambofJesus]

They don't "Tend" to forget, they intentionally do away with the Torah and have formed a new Religion, as far from the "Law" as they can get.
The Hebrew Roots Movement is to return disenfranchised believers to Torah. Then and only then will there be "Unity" in one "Way of Life."
Yeshua will be the element of that way of life for both the Nations and the Children of Israel. In Y H V H 'S good time.
ShalomThe Children of Israel is what the Jewish book of revelation is all about.
For example that "Lampstand" in revelation 2:5. How many assemblies would have had that except for the Sanctuary in Jerusalem? Thoughts? Shalom.


Acts 7:38 This is the one becoming in the Out-Called/Assembly in the wilderness with the Messenger the one talking to him in the Mount Sinai and of the fathers of us who receives Oracles/logia<3051>, Living, to give unto us

Hebrews 9:2 For a booth is constructed the beforemost in which the besides Lampstand/lucnia <3087> and the Table and the before-placing of the breads, which any is saying to be holy.

Reve 2:5 Be remembering then!, whence thou hast fallen and reform! And the first works do! If yet no, I am coming to thee swiftly, and shall be removing/stirring/kinhsw<2795> (5692) the Lamp-stand/lucnian <3087>of Thee out of the Place of her, if ever no thou should be reforming.

:eek:

http://www.abu.nb.ca/Courses/NTIntro/InTest/Images/Menorah12.gif

[Lulav]

Little lamb, what translation do you use?

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

From what I've read they seem to think you are condemning them for not keeping the proper Sabbath and Passover. For those who are being called to obedience, they will hear, the rest you will just tick off. Gods commandments have not been done away with through the new covenant. A line has to be drawn to define parameters.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

I thought the purpose was to bring together not drive a wedge. The Elect of God needs to be united, being to liberal would defile the Elect. God will not grant salvation to the Elect of Zion for joining hands with Pagans. Even the Pagans complain to me about Christianity defileing the pureity of Paganism.

[visionary]

The Elect of God needs to be united, being to liberal would defile the Elect. God will not grant salvation to the Elect of Zion for joining hands with Pagans. Even the Pagans complain to me about Christianity defileing the pureity of Paganism.That shouldn't affect the goal of herding the sheep to greener pastures.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

That shouldn't affect the goal of herding the sheep to greener pastures. But it does. This is my last post until Im back online. Ill talk to everyone later. Bye!:wave:

[A_Pioneer]

The Elect of God needs to be united, being to liberal would defile the Elect. God will not grant salvation to the Elect of Zion for joining hands with Pagans. Even the Pagans complain to me about Christianity defileing the pureity of Paganism.
There are a lot of saved persons who are not the "Elect"
Being elected is Y H V H 's choice Torah observant peoples of all Nations. Being without Torah is "Lawlessness" there are many a "Lawless" believers who are saved, but not one of them is the "Elect."

Shalom

[brachah]

There are a lot of saved persons who are not the "Elect"
Being elected is Y H V H 's choice Torah observant peoples of all Nations. Being without Torah is "Lawlessness" there are many a "Lawless" believers who are saved, but not one of them is the "Elect."

Shalom
i think the "elect" in the bible refers specially to the jews, messianic or not.

[A_Pioneer]

i think the "elect" in the bible refers specially to the jews, messianic or not.
Are you saying that these people are not "Elected?"
Ac 15:14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

Shalom