The concern is a disease

[7angel]

Maturation of the mother-in-law of Peter

The evil that is not detected but cause extensive damage, is the concern, we are always pending what may or may not happen in the near future or not so close,
And these concerns appear to be the most useless, because what we have to do tomorrow or the day after, not what we must do today,
It is desirable then, doing what corresponds to this day and leave for tomorrow what belongs tomorrow,
Other causes of concern, is that we do demand things that are beyond our reach,or not we realize our limitations,
Jesus says not begin what is not going to be able to finish, or you do not compromise with what is not going to meet, happens in all orders and thus we turned our lives into hell.
Also we have a very bad habit of putting pressure on people in our family environment repeatedly demanding things that are not essential or necessary for the time being, causing discomfort and misunderstandings unnecessarily.
It also happens in other religions to their demand.
confuse rather, than clarify or resolve problems.


The mother-in-law of Peter, had many concerns, and by the fever she not allowed to do nothing.



MARK 1

29 On leaving the synagogue he entered the house of Simon and Andrew with James and John. 30 Simon's mother-in-law lay sick with a fever. They immediately told him about her. 31 He approached, grasped her hand, and helped her up. Then the fever left her and she waited on them.

[stone]

I guess the word fever could actually cover a wide range of issue's.

[7angel]

Yes, anxiety, arousal, stress. impatience

[Waddell]

I don't see the point of the thread. Could you elaborate please? :)

Thanks.

[Svt4Him]

Are we adding things to the Bible that aren't there? She had 16 servants, use to cook and was the president of the scrapbook club, she was relaxed.

[7angel]

Luke 10

38 13 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#foot13) As they continued their journey he entered a village where a woman whose name was Martha welcomed him. 39 14 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#foot14) She had a sister named Mary (who) sat beside the Lord at his feet listening to him speak. 40 Martha, burdened with much serving, came to him and said, "Lord, do you not care that my sister has left me by myself to do the serving? Tell her to help me." 41 The Lord said to her in reply, "Martha, Martha, you are anxious and worried about many things. 42 15 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#foot15) There is need of only one thing. Mary has chosen the better part and it will not be taken from her."

[Svt4Him]

What does that have to do with the OP and Peter's MIL?

[7angel]

What does that have to do with the OP and Peter's MIL?
Two women worried about less important things.
We do things without order, without priorities, time does not meet or know how to solve problems big or small, is missing instruction, The Gospel contains many lessons surprising, that help us in the things of this life. Most Christians ignore these virtues.

[Svt4Him]

Where again does it say Peter's MIL was worried? Or are you saying Martha waited on Jesus but didn't chose the greater things, Peter's MIL waited on them, so she missed out to? Does that mean when I go to a restaurant and am waited on, they are missing it and full of worry?

[7angel]

It is written, "not what the eye saw nor heard hear,
But revealed by the spirit
The healing of the mother-in-law of Peter, literally said nothing, but God does not things without meaning.
When we read the Bible, we should ponder why is wrote
and pray to the Spirit enlighten us.

Deeds are not mere anecdotes.

[Waddell]

It is written, "not what the eye saw nor heard hear,
But revealed by the spirit
The healing of the mother-in-law of Peter, literally said nothing, but God does not things without meaning.
When we read the Bible, we should ponder why is wrote
and pray to the Spirit enlighten us.

Deeds are not mere anecdotes.

I understand what you are trying to say. I think Srvt4Him is a bit concerned (rightly so) that it is quite a stretch to jump from Peter's MominLaw having a fever, to her being sick from worry.

Be blessed. :)

[7angel]

I understand what you are trying to say. I think Srvt4Him is a bit concerned (rightly so) that it is quite a stretch to jump from Peter's MominLaw having a fever, to her being sick from worry.

Be blessed. :)
Yes, I know the difficulties of God's word, but Srvt4him has a great virtue, he ask and ask, is how to find

[stone]

It takes alot of hard work, time and dedication to manage several people that work for you. It's not nearly like sitting under the shade and being fanned all day.


Are we adding things to the Bible that aren't there? She had 16 servants, use to cook and was the president of the scrapbook club, she was relaxed.

[bluemarkus]

7angel, you have well layed out scripture for us, i have big problems with that in my family both my mother and one sister are after that kind, they work a lot to get selfesteem and reassurance. especially my mother makes me a lot of problems, i dont know what to do. the problem is that she is so religious, that every time you want to help her by the power of god she acts if she would know everything already. i really dont know what to do.

[7angel]

7angel, you have well layed out scripture for us, i have big problems with that in my family both my mother and one sister are after that kind, they work a lot to get selfesteem and reassurance. especially my mother makes me a lot of problems, i dont know what to do. the problem is that she is so religious, that every time you want to help her by the power of god she acts if she would know everything already. i really dont know what to do.
Yes, I have my own experience of your problem

Try to talk and tell the story of martha and Mary, reading makes miracles, try it.

My advice, not let them pressure you, weaken your character. I think they do without bad intentions, but they do not realize.
Take your own decisions without asking advice, you know that they can not, and tries not discuss, has no case

Luke 10

38 13 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#foot13) As they continued their journey he entered a village where a woman whose name was Martha welcomed him. 39 14 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#foot14) She had a sister named Mary (who) sat beside the Lord at his feet listening to him speak. 40 Martha, burdened with much serving, came to him and said, "Lord, do you not care that my sister has left me by myself to do the serving? Tell her to help me." 41 The Lord said to her in reply, "Martha, Martha, you are anxious and worried about many things. 42 15 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#foot15) There is need of only one thing. Mary has chosen the better part and it will not be taken from her."

[Svt4Him]

It is written, "not what the eye saw nor heard hear,
But revealed by the spirit
The healing of the mother-in-law of Peter, literally said nothing, but God does not things without meaning.
When we read the Bible, we should ponder why is wrote
and pray to the Spirit enlighten us.

Deeds are not mere anecdotes.

Oh, you mean the Bible is open to private interpretation. I've heard that before. The other thing about the Bible is it is God's work, and if God wanted to add more, He could have. You adding it seems a bit like any other person who has changed the Bible to fit a doctrine instead of changing doctrine to fit the Bible. Peter's MIL was healed and served. There is a time to serve, and the disciples were going about healing like Jesus did. Mary and Martha was a totally different story about worry, the stories are not related. That is not how we understand Scripture by looking for meaning that was not intended to be there. We are often warned to be not deceived, and the surest way is to think the Bible is open to private interpretation.

2Pet 1:20, "This then you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."

[BGMCFAR]

Oh, you mean the Bible is open to private interpretation. I've heard that before. The other thing about the Bible is it is God's work, and if God wanted to add more, He could have. You adding it seems a bit like any other person who has changed the Bible to fit a doctrine instead of changing doctrine to fit the Bible. Peter's MIL was healed and served. There is a time to serve, and the disciples were going about healing like Jesus did. Mary and Martha was a totally different story about worry, the stories are not related. That is not how we understand Scripture by looking for meaning that was not intended to be there. We are often warned to be not deceived, and the surest way is to think the Bible is open to private interpretation.

2Pet 1:20, "This then you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."
I disagree Ieel the the Bible is very open to private interpetation, Here is why Peace through undewrstnading Do you think if Martin Luther and other reforms would have waited for someone to interpet the Bible there would have been a reformation? Sometimes there are those of us whodo better by self study and interpetation I know when I tok all the religon and all the doctrine and got rid of them and looked at the man Jesus and studing the Bible I found peace and understanding. Oh an the apostles didn't always agree

[7angel]

Oh, you mean the Bible is open to private interpretation. I've heard that before. The other thing about the Bible is it is God's work, and if God wanted to add more, He could have. You adding it seems a bit like any other person who has changed the Bible to fit a doctrine instead of changing doctrine to fit the Bible. Peter's MIL was healed and served. There is a time to serve, and the disciples were going about healing like Jesus did. Mary and Martha was a totally different story about worry, the stories are not related. That is not how we understand Scripture by looking for meaning that was not intended to be there. We are often warned to be not deceived, and the surest way is to think the Bible is open to private interpretation.

2Pet 1:20, "This then you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."
Yes, it is true, no one can interpret the word of God, who can? Any person who receives the revelation of the Spirit.

Nor is it possible for a group of people either pastor, priest or minister. God gives to whom want, and so is written.

The man can be servant of the Lord, but the Lord is not servant of the man

Many preachers have been made as lords of the Lord

[Waddell]

Yes, it is true, no one can interpret the word of God, who can? Any person who receives the revelation of the Spirit.

Nor is it possible for a group of people either pastor, priest or minister. God gives to whom want, and so is written.

The man can be servant of the Lord, but the Lord is not servant of the man

Many preachers have been made as lords of the Lord

I understood that. However, that does not mean anybody else will. ;) :)

[Svt4Him]

I disagree Ieel the the Bible is very open to private interpetation, Here is why Peace through undewrstnading Do you think if Martin Luther and other reforms would have waited for someone to interpet the Bible there would have been a reformation? Sometimes there are those of us whodo better by self study and interpetation I know when I tok all the religon and all the doctrine and got rid of them and looked at the man Jesus and studing the Bible I found peace and understanding. Oh an the apostles didn't always agree

You disagree with the Bible verse I posted? You'll have to take that up with God. Personal revelation goes beyond what is written in the Bible. Martin Luther took what was written and made it known, in a time when the church was forbidding people to read the Bible. Whenever people heard the apostles preach, they listened gladly, but went and checked the Bible to see if it lined up. You can not check personal revelation with the Bible. The verse of Peter's MIL does not say anything good or bad about her serving, so it can not be inferred she was worrying or missing God. To then say it's a deeper truth from God can not be substantiated, and becomes a personal revelation. These you can believe, but you always preach the word, not personal convictions. As far as doctrine, the apostles certainly agreed.

[7angel]

You disagree with the Bible verse I posted? You'll have to take that up with God. Personal revelation goes beyond what is written in the Bible. Martin Luther took what was written and made it known, in a time when the church was forbidding people to read the Bible. Whenever people heard the apostles preach, they listened gladly, but went and checked the Bible to see if it lined up. You can not check personal revelation with the Bible. The verse of Peter's MIL does not say anything good or bad about her serving, so it can not be inferred she was worrying or missing God. To then say it's a deeper truth from God can not be substantiated, and becomes a personal revelation. These you can believe, but you always preach the word, not personal convictions. As far as doctrine, the apostles certainly agreed.
The Bible, the Gospel, the word of God and his teachings are the same for all men.

There is not an interpretation for Peter and other diferent for Paul.

The bible is not a horoscope, no personal interpretation, but universal.

God does leave the sun for all and makes rain for all, good and bad.

This is the meaning of:
2Pet 1:20, "This then you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."

The original post is correct in his interpretation.
If someone has a better interpretation to say or silence

[BGMCFAR]

But in our times how many pastors preach from the Bilble how many books and sermons our based on someones convictions or the way they think it is. Walk into any christian bookstore and see what I mean.

[7angel]

Yes, I know, but how to preach, it is interpreting the word of God, and by this, we need to cite a passage complete, and its interpretation.

Not a long speech and cite the number of two or three verses trying to justify what they say.

[BGMCFAR]

Yes, I know, but how to preach, it is interpreting the word of God, and by this, we need to cite a passage complete, and its interpretation.

Not a long speech and cite the number of two or three verses trying to justify what they say.
Agreed, but offen times people will take verses out of context disrecarding the verse before or the verse after I was thaught to read a whole chapter to understand the meanig or interpetation of what the writer is trying to convey to the reader So you are right the entire passage

[Svt4Him]

Agreed, but offen times people will take verses out of context disrecarding the verse before or the verse after I was thaught to read a whole chapter to understand the meanig or interpetation of what the writer is trying to convey to the reader So you are right the entire passage

When talking about Peter's MIL, with the OP did, the verse was taken out of context. Therefore when someone says she is in error like Martha was, they have privately interpreted the verse and it is wrong to do. The verse says nothing about the motive of Peter's MIL, so it is wrong to do an exegesis based on an unrelated verse.

I say Peter's MIL was not in error. So who is correct? Well, the verse simply says she was sick, she was healed, she served. It makes no mention of whether it was good or bad to serve, so calling what she did sin (missing the mark) is wrong.

[Svt4Him]

The Bible, the Gospel, the word of God and his teachings are the same for all men.

There is not an interpretation for Peter and other diferent for Paul.

The bible is not a horoscope, no personal interpretation, but universal.

God does leave the sun for all and makes rain for all, good and bad.

This is the meaning of:
2Pet 1:20, "This then you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."

The original post is correct in his interpretation.
If someone has a better interpretation to say or silence

God also writes what He writes, and doesn't expect us to write some more.

[7angel]

God also writes what He writes, and doesn't expect us to write some more.
You also write, and when you disqualifies my interpretation, you are interpreting it. But without an argument, you only disqualifies.

You should rebut with a better interpretation, it would be the right thing, I did not bother me that you do better than me.

[Svt4Him]

You also write, and when you disqualifies my interpretation, you are interpreting it. But without an argument, you only disqualifies.

You should rebut with a better interpretation, it would be the right thing, I did not bother me that you do better than me.

I have said the Bible is silent on her motive, so it's best if we be too. So for me to tell whether she was right or wrong, when the Bible doesn't, I would think that God didn't do a good enough job with His word, therefore I need to fix it. Sorry, I'm not in the position to be God's editor. For other passages there is study that is needed, but for this, it is simple. The purpose was not to determine if Peter's MIL was in sin. I think it's good to point out Peter was married though.

[7angel]

I have said the Bible is silent on her motive, so it's best if we be too. So for me to tell whether she was right or wrong, when the Bible doesn't, I would think that God didn't do a good enough job with His word, therefore I need to fix it. Sorry, I'm not in the position to be God's editor. For other passages there is study that is needed, but for this, it is simple. The purpose was not to determine if Peter's MIL was in sin. I think it's good to point out Peter was married though.
What would you do if God, give you the gift to interpret the parables, teachings, and his mysteries?

In what way was preaching the gospel?

ACTS 8
26 7 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#foot7) Then the angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, "Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route." 27 So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, 8 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#foot8) that is, the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and was returning home. Seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 The Spirit said to Philip, "Go and join up with that chariot." 30 9 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#foot9) Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 31 He replied, "How can I, unless someone instructs me?" So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.

[Svt4Him]

What would you do if God, give you the gift to interpret the parables, teachings, and his mysteries?

In what way was preaching the gospel?

ACTS 8
26 7 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#foot7) Then the angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, "Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route." 27 So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, 8 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#foot8) that is, the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and was returning home. Seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 The Spirit said to Philip, "Go and join up with that chariot." 30 9 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/acts/acts8.htm#foot9) Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 31 He replied, "How can I, unless someone instructs me?" So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.

Totally different. The OT points to Christ, through and through. That truth sets one free. These truths you can look into. Your truth shows that when Peter's MIL was serving, she was wrong as Martha was serving, and was equally wrong, which is a false claim, and is a fallacy.

Martha did A and was wrong as she didn't sit at Jesus' feet
Peter's MIL did A and was wrong because Martha did A and was wrong
Ergo, anyone who does A is wrong.

But Jesus said if you want to be great, become a servant to all, therefore you have a contradiction:

A is wrong <> do A to be great in God's kingdom


Your understanding of Peter's MIL doesn't free anything, doesn't point to Christ, it simply adds something that was not meant to be added. As I said above, there are passages of Scripture you can examine and dig deeper, Peter's MIL being in sin is not backed by any other Scripture, so it is not one of them.

2Pet 1:20, "This then you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."

The original post is correct in his interpretation.
If someone has a better interpretation to say or silence

The original post is correct in his private interpretation? See the irony in this?

[7angel]

Says Svt4Him
The original post is correct in his private interpretation? See the irony in this?

I say
I do not do private interpretations, I am no astrologer.

My interpretations are the same for everyone.

One Gospel, one Faith, One Lord, as that two plus two is four for the entire world.

I think you do not understand what for, for one private or personal interpretation as make astrologers

2Pet 1:20, "This then you must understand first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.

The meaning of this verse is to prevent the preacher becoming an astrologer, many do so using a reading taken at random, and many people like these things

[7angel]

What does it mean for you, or how you interpret?

MARK 1

29 On leaving the synagogue he entered the house of Simon and Andrew with James and John. 30 Simon's mother-in-law lay sick with a fever. They immediately told him about her. 31 He approached, grasped her hand, and helped her up. Then the fever left her and she waited on them.


Thank you

[Svt4Him]

Well, it means Peter was married. It also says, interestingly enough, Peter didn't pray for her, he simply took her hand. That to me is amazing. She then waited on them, which Jesus said was a good thing to do, become a servant to all men. I is an act of hospitality, which is also a good characteristic. The other thing is she was not healed until she got out of bed. Was that an act of faith that got her up? Hmm.

[7angel]

[quote=7angel;42050040]What does it mean for you, or how you interpret?

MARK 1

29 On leaving the synagogue he entered the house of Simon and Andrew with James and John. 30 Simon's mother-in-law lay sick with a fever. They immediately told him about her. 31 He approached, grasped her hand, and helped her up. Then the fever left her and she waited on them.


Okay. Just because we agree, but we continue pulling the thread,
For example, if Peter was married, we can deduce the great mistake of mandatory celibacy of Catholic priests. And also, the monk made to live locked up.
Thread also said that the disciples, They immediately told him about her, what they said to Jesus?

There are people who are very concerned but do nothing, would it not be this the problem of Peter's MIL?

[Svt4Him]

[quote=7angel;42050040]What does it mean for you, or how you interpret?

MARK 1

29 On leaving the synagogue he entered the house of Simon and Andrew with James and John. 30 Simon's mother-in-law lay sick with a fever. They immediately told him about her. 31 He approached, grasped her hand, and helped her up. Then the fever left her and she waited on them.


Okay. Just because we agree, but we continue pulling the thread,
For example, if Peter was married, we can deduce the great mistake of mandatory celibacy of Catholic priests. And also, the monk made to live locked up.
Thread also said that the disciples, They immediately told him about her, what they said to Jesus?

There are people who are very concerned but do nothing, would it not be this the problem of Peter's MIL?

On this I agree.

As for the Catholic celibacy, again I agree, but their belief is they do not require priests to be celibate, although that is also not widely held, but it is true that any pope trying to follow after the first pope should then be allowed to marry. (not debating the issue of Peter being the first pope) Also I agree 100% that there is action that is required when we are Christians, as said by showing faith by what we do, and that without faith it is impossible to move God.

On these we can agree, which is great for the end of the year. Happy New Year!

[7angel]

[quote=7angel;42084175]

On this I agree.

As for the Catholic celibacy, again I agree, but their belief is they do not require priests to be celibate, although that is also not widely held, but it is true that any pope trying to follow after the first pope should then be allowed to marry. (not debating the issue of Peter being the first pope) Also I agree 100% that there is action that is required when we are Christians, as said by showing faith by what we do, and that without faith it is impossible to move God.

On these we can agree, which is great for the end of the year. Happy New Year!
As I say HAPPY NEW YEAR